“The poorest groups experienced “increased financial strain” as the price rises meant they were spending more on drinks.”
Surprise Surprise.
In a lot of households it’s the children of people with Alcohol issues that will go without
Surprise surprise, only another gimmick to screw us for every penny we have
There’s an overall drop in alcohol consumed of 8%. That’s fairly significant.
As with the smoking price changes, it seems to have made a difference to the “casual” consumers. The hardcore consumers are going to keep going no matter what
The publican can’t be boss of the town if everybody is drinking in their houses.
I would imagine people near the border counties just went north meaning less free state sales.
We should for the craic all go out and buy a rake of drink to skew the figures and then ask government why it isn’t working 😂
I haven’t been affected by it. I drink 3-4 different brands of red/white wine that are generally €14 but I buy them when they are on special offer for €8, hence the rotation. Saying that, the same brands of wine can be bought in France & The Netherlands for a fraction of the price.
The price for cans of beer now is fucking criminal
I don’t think it’s a surprise that addicts are not changing their habits, but aren’t we trying to reduce the number of NEW addicts?
I remember reading somewhere that alcoholics consume 50% of all alcohol sold. I wonder how much of the tax raised from alcohol sales is used to either help alcoholics or fund research into new treatment options?
Minimum alcohol prices cost varadkar alot in my eyes, hes either a doctor that doesn’t understand addiction or out of touch
*Insert shocked pikachu*
Is the intention of the policy to prevent alcoholics from buying drink or to reduce alcohol consumption in the general public?
I always assumed it was the latter… has a policy maker said that it would address alcoholism?
MUP is a form of collective punishment
For a lot of people it’s used as a form of self medication that many then become dependant on. This is was always a poorly argued decision and had a bigger affect on the LVA’s collective bank balance than the public good.
Well I for one am shocked by this entirely surprising and unpredictable turn of events.
I’ve always thought this law was ridiculous. I read something recently that while it will have little or no impact on addicts now, the long-term goal of it is to help prevent people ending up as addicts/alcoholics.
Is there any merit to that or is it just more bullshit justification?
I for one am shocked… Who ever could have predicted exactly this….
…seems legit
also toooooo
4cups of sugar
1gal of fruit juice, with no preservatives
1packet of bread yeast
leave enough room for some expansion *(drink a glass of the juice)* shake vigorously, seal loosely to let CO2 escape but at the same time not let anything *in*… wait 8 days; place in refrigerator for at least 24hrs
drink and enjoy your 17%ABV fruit wine… for higher ABV- freeze distill
>Public Health Scotland (PHS) reported minimum unit pricing (MUP) led to some people cutting back on food and energy.
We knew this, and then experts warned our govt against the policy and they still went ahead with it. Asleep at the wheel.
To the surprise of absolutely fucking nobody
Yeah no shit, who would have thought that a poor people’s tax does absolutely nothing other than penalise poor people.
Shocker! Alcoholic man still buys drink despite price and gets shitfaced! More news at 10!
And here we go again. I got down voted for saying that lobbying is done for the benefit of the lobbyists and not in the general interest of the public and the MUP was an example of that. It was even explicitly mentioned in the manifesto that it was for the businesses that lobbyied for it. We have a pathetically low bar in this country for accountability and performance and will go to any extent to not characterize this as sheer corruption in the system.
If alcoholics could change their habits just like that, they wouldn’t be addicts.
Price hikes don’t help people with crippling addiction. They acknowledge people have this serious problem but don’t offer any help.
It was never about changing habits, let’s be real. It was about finding a moral justification for more tax.
EDIT; not even a fucking tax. just straight up fucking profit.
Serious question, which parties voted for this law?
I need to know that for the next election, when these clowns are going to knock on my door.
Guys I think I’ve solved it. I have the solution! Let’s just make being an alcoholic illegal!
Edit: if the government are reading this I want credit.
Anti-social behavior and shoplifting incidents involving alcohol lines have definitely increased in the store I manage sense minimum unit pricing came in. So much so that we reduced our range to just wine because it wasn’t worth the hassle.
If your addicted to something, especially as physically addictive as alcohol, even if you cannot afford it, your going to get it one way or another.
Minimum unit prices only cause inconvenience to normal everyday people and that’s about all it achieves.
Rare to have such a blatent tax on the poor, but here it is. For those who enjoy expensive craft beers or fancy wines they have seen no impact, buy for others where cost is an issue they have been excluded from enjoining a simple drink, and as everyone with a modicum of sense was fully aware, alcoholism cares not a jot about minimum pricing, and will only lead to more damage from this disease. They should have set up proper rehab if they actually wanted to do something about alcohol issues.
Make cannabis legal so they have a way less dangerous alternative. It helped a ton with alcoholics in Massachusetts who made the switch (over time of course, because alcohol dependence is fucking terrible).
They were told beforehand by addiction experts that this plan wouldn’t stop alcoholics buying alcohol. I’ve no real idea why they went ahead with it, it was hardly just to make the supermarkets more money, because that’s all this legislation is doing.
“Making drugs illegal doesn’t stop people wanting to take drugs.”
For fuck’s sake. This has been obvious for decades. But politicians will try all the stupidest ideas they can think of.
In my worst binge you couldnt have stopped me by raising the price even if you doubled the price. a handle is still a lot of booze to keep you numb. Alcholism is crazy…ive gone into a store with change im talking pennies…if an alcholic wants booze its so easy to get price isnt an issue.
People who are addicted to a substance have an inelastic demand curve. This should not be shocking news to anyone.
I am shocked and stunned. It hasn’t worked anywhere else and now it doesn’t work in Scotland either? Shocked I tell ya.
Surprise, surprise.
A case of beer that would last two or three days for €48 or a bottle of vodka at €22 that’ll last one day? Even if you drank a case a day you’d still be paying twice the amount!
My point is that its encouraged people to buy spirits instead of beer which can be more lethal!
I honestly think the government is clueless with the drinks and bar industry in this country.
Dumb fucks don’t know how a drunk works…. It’s embarrassing. Drunks hurt everyone around them… Politicians just hurt everyone.
But has it got more people into the pub? Surely that’s what the vintners association wanted kill yourself in the pub don’t kill yourself at home
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“The poorest groups experienced “increased financial strain” as the price rises meant they were spending more on drinks.”
Surprise Surprise.
In a lot of households it’s the children of people with Alcohol issues that will go without
Surprise surprise, only another gimmick to screw us for every penny we have
There’s an overall drop in alcohol consumed of 8%. That’s fairly significant.
As with the smoking price changes, it seems to have made a difference to the “casual” consumers. The hardcore consumers are going to keep going no matter what
The publican can’t be boss of the town if everybody is drinking in their houses.
I would imagine people near the border counties just went north meaning less free state sales.
We should for the craic all go out and buy a rake of drink to skew the figures and then ask government why it isn’t working 😂
I haven’t been affected by it. I drink 3-4 different brands of red/white wine that are generally €14 but I buy them when they are on special offer for €8, hence the rotation. Saying that, the same brands of wine can be bought in France & The Netherlands for a fraction of the price.
The price for cans of beer now is fucking criminal
I don’t think it’s a surprise that addicts are not changing their habits, but aren’t we trying to reduce the number of NEW addicts?
I remember reading somewhere that alcoholics consume 50% of all alcohol sold. I wonder how much of the tax raised from alcohol sales is used to either help alcoholics or fund research into new treatment options?
Minimum alcohol prices cost varadkar alot in my eyes, hes either a doctor that doesn’t understand addiction or out of touch
*Insert shocked pikachu*
Is the intention of the policy to prevent alcoholics from buying drink or to reduce alcohol consumption in the general public?
I always assumed it was the latter… has a policy maker said that it would address alcoholism?
MUP is a form of collective punishment
For a lot of people it’s used as a form of self medication that many then become dependant on. This is was always a poorly argued decision and had a bigger affect on the LVA’s collective bank balance than the public good.
Well I for one am shocked by this entirely surprising and unpredictable turn of events.
This thread on Twitter from the guy who wrote the paper summarises their findings much better than the article
https://twitter.com/JHolmesSheff/status/1534087145547251713?t=hyVS1J7p4QM3tiPUtRhfuQ&s=19
What. A. Shock.
I’ve always thought this law was ridiculous. I read something recently that while it will have little or no impact on addicts now, the long-term goal of it is to help prevent people ending up as addicts/alcoholics.
Is there any merit to that or is it just more bullshit justification?
I for one am shocked… Who ever could have predicted exactly this….
…seems legit
also toooooo
4cups of sugar
1gal of fruit juice, with no preservatives
1packet of bread yeast
leave enough room for some expansion *(drink a glass of the juice)* shake vigorously, seal loosely to let CO2 escape but at the same time not let anything *in*… wait 8 days; place in refrigerator for at least 24hrs
drink and enjoy your 17%ABV fruit wine… for higher ABV- freeze distill
>Public Health Scotland (PHS) reported minimum unit pricing (MUP) led to some people cutting back on food and energy.
We knew this, and then experts warned our govt against the policy and they still went ahead with it. Asleep at the wheel.
To the surprise of absolutely fucking nobody
Yeah no shit, who would have thought that a poor people’s tax does absolutely nothing other than penalise poor people.
Shocker! Alcoholic man still buys drink despite price and gets shitfaced! More news at 10!
And here we go again. I got down voted for saying that lobbying is done for the benefit of the lobbyists and not in the general interest of the public and the MUP was an example of that. It was even explicitly mentioned in the manifesto that it was for the businesses that lobbyied for it. We have a pathetically low bar in this country for accountability and performance and will go to any extent to not characterize this as sheer corruption in the system.
If alcoholics could change their habits just like that, they wouldn’t be addicts.
Price hikes don’t help people with crippling addiction. They acknowledge people have this serious problem but don’t offer any help.
It was never about changing habits, let’s be real. It was about finding a moral justification for more tax.
EDIT; not even a fucking tax. just straight up fucking profit.
Serious question, which parties voted for this law?
I need to know that for the next election, when these clowns are going to knock on my door.
Guys I think I’ve solved it. I have the solution! Let’s just make being an alcoholic illegal!
Edit: if the government are reading this I want credit.
Anti-social behavior and shoplifting incidents involving alcohol lines have definitely increased in the store I manage sense minimum unit pricing came in. So much so that we reduced our range to just wine because it wasn’t worth the hassle.
If your addicted to something, especially as physically addictive as alcohol, even if you cannot afford it, your going to get it one way or another.
Minimum unit prices only cause inconvenience to normal everyday people and that’s about all it achieves.
Rare to have such a blatent tax on the poor, but here it is. For those who enjoy expensive craft beers or fancy wines they have seen no impact, buy for others where cost is an issue they have been excluded from enjoining a simple drink, and as everyone with a modicum of sense was fully aware, alcoholism cares not a jot about minimum pricing, and will only lead to more damage from this disease. They should have set up proper rehab if they actually wanted to do something about alcohol issues.
Make cannabis legal so they have a way less dangerous alternative. It helped a ton with alcoholics in Massachusetts who made the switch (over time of course, because alcohol dependence is fucking terrible).
They were told beforehand by addiction experts that this plan wouldn’t stop alcoholics buying alcohol. I’ve no real idea why they went ahead with it, it was hardly just to make the supermarkets more money, because that’s all this legislation is doing.
“Making drugs illegal doesn’t stop people wanting to take drugs.”
For fuck’s sake. This has been obvious for decades. But politicians will try all the stupidest ideas they can think of.
In my worst binge you couldnt have stopped me by raising the price even if you doubled the price. a handle is still a lot of booze to keep you numb. Alcholism is crazy…ive gone into a store with change im talking pennies…if an alcholic wants booze its so easy to get price isnt an issue.
People who are addicted to a substance have an inelastic demand curve. This should not be shocking news to anyone.
I am shocked and stunned. It hasn’t worked anywhere else and now it doesn’t work in Scotland either? Shocked I tell ya.
Surprise, surprise.
A case of beer that would last two or three days for €48 or a bottle of vodka at €22 that’ll last one day? Even if you drank a case a day you’d still be paying twice the amount!
My point is that its encouraged people to buy spirits instead of beer which can be more lethal!
I honestly think the government is clueless with the drinks and bar industry in this country.
Dumb fucks don’t know how a drunk works…. It’s embarrassing. Drunks hurt everyone around them… Politicians just hurt everyone.
But has it got more people into the pub? Surely that’s what the vintners association wanted kill yourself in the pub don’t kill yourself at home