He’ll likely win but is done for regardless – just wait till the Tories are crucified at the forthcoming by elections.
Might not do any good. What was it one Tory said on BBC R4 the other day?
“You will have to pry his fingers off the window sill.”
I wonder if Labour are hoping he wins it. It feels like Johnson is their best weapon at this point.
As much as I dislike Johnson, anyone who is in the running to replace him is even worse. Can you imagine Priti Patel as PM, or Gove? Liz Truss? There is a huge vacuum of talent in the Tory party at the moment, most of the competent people were expelled.
unfortunately, he’ll survive and consider the matter closed in the next 24 hrs. Tories will always preserve their own interests over the public’s
edit: called it
Lets see if the slippery pig can squeeze out of this one
He will stand down before the next election and the new tory leader can continue to blame the policies of previous administration, along with the last Labour government.
I won’t believe anything until Fabrizio Romano gives it the “here we go”
It’s win-win if he’s thrown out it will be hilarious and I’ll personally enjoy it very much, if he stays in he keeps doing damage to his own party his opposition could only dream of. He’s a walking, waffling liability.
If he wins it, they lose the next election, if he loses, they could end up sacrificing their next hope as PM at the next election
Is the better outcome not to leave him in place so he can continue to drag the Conservative Party down with him?
He’ll survive. And he’s not going to resign if it’s close like May and Thatcher did.
[deleted]
A Tory donor somewhere is bricking it he will have to find more budget for wall paper so soon after dishing out.
Good. This is long overdue.
As someone has said, it’s a win-win. If he loses then he is booted, and he has zero chance of redemption. This PM will go down as one of the worst in history. If he wins, then CON can expect to lose big time in 2024, there just isn’t sufficient support amongst the public to keep him in power, and so far Boris has done very little to fix up his image.
Then again, we don’t know the replacement. There are many others in the Conservative party who would do a worse job.
For anyone asking how this all works, here is a useful breakdown
It seems to me that the system of only needing 15% of Conservative MPs to submit letters to trigger a vote that needs a majority of those same MPs to vote against the leader is always likely to result in the leader staying on. It’s not very likely over 35% are going to suddenly decide during the day that they in fact don’t have confidence in Johnson. Then by the Conservative Party rules, he’s immune from another vote for a year!
I am confident that Boris is the pm I would want to run against if I was Labour leader, I am not confident that the tories will stick the knife in today, there is a bunch of inflation and other bad news that any new leader would not want to be blamed for.
So probable timeline:
1. Boris loses the VONC
2. Leadership challenge between Boris / Gove / Jeremy Hunt / Some ERG or Brexiteer nutter
3. Jeremy Hunt gets in as he’s kept a low profile during the Boris era and ‘draws a line’ under brexit / Covid etc and a return to ‘grown up politics’.
4. Tories and client media lap it up, win election in 2025, another decade of these pricks.
Just temper your expectations guys. I am with you all. However sitting PMs usually win these and I expect this to be the same esp as the whips will be rolling out threats like crazy today.
And crucially there are 150 MPs who are on minister pay!
And this ain’t Teresa may. Boris will carry on even if he only wins by one vote.
Seriously, Labour, Lib Dems and Greens should just do a electoral pact against the Tories.
It’s a win win win situation for them all, and plus, Tories will never have a majority ever again.
Does anyone really think he’d call a general election if he wins? That almost sounds like a good thing for anyone who wants the tories out…
This Jesse Norman MP open letter on his reasons not to support Boris is excellent.
I wish they’d call it a “vote of no confidence” — that’s how it’s reported when it’s a country other than ours.
The Conservative “Party” is really just a company whose business is in gaining political control of the country in order to maintain and increase the wealth of itself and partners (largely by siphoning taxpayers’ money into their own offshore pockets). It has a highly effective PR department which controls much of the country’s media, marketing itself to the population and smearing all competitors which threaten its place in the market.
The number one priority is maintaining power, nothing else matters, because losing power means no more siphoning off the national infrastructure and handing lucrative contracts to employees and partners. If the CEO of the company does something which can threaten this – they will need to be removed and replaced.
I normally vote tory, didn’t vote for Boris as I wanted someone a bit more “serious” and less of a clown, for her faults I prefered mays version of brexit, if we had to have it at all.
If they support him then I honestly don’t know who to vote for, libdem I guess.
A big part of true Conservatism is law and order, right from wrong, a certain moral purity. Boris has none of this, I know “they all lie” to a degree but I’ve never seen it so obvious and disrespectful behaviour. Blair,Brown,Cameron, May all had a certain dignity and respect for the office, the country. If they lied atleast they put some effort into it.
He has to have a consequence, he has to be held accountable, the fact so many of the cabinet will throw core principles in the bin to climb the ladder.
Fuck him and fuck them.
As a labour voter, I don’t care who you replace Boris with. On principle you can’t have a criminal as PM and if Labour deserve to win a GE in two years, albeit perhaps naive, it shouldn’t matter who the Tories throw into the mix. Labour shouldn’t want an “easier” fight.
🎶 You’re on your way out! You’re on your way ooouuutt! Fuck off Bojo, you’re on your way out! 🎶
Can someone explain me this: Why is there no general confidence vote in the house of commons? The Tories don’t have a huge majority. The opposition would only need to get 35 or so Tories to vote with them. That seems like a much smaller hurdle than getting 180 Tories to vote against their leader!
0 chance he loses this and him staying will hopefully make the Tories more susceptible at the next election.
so who else has had an erection for the entire day
This voting system is dead. We need a new one. Public hire /fire. Annually. Online.
As much as I would like him to lose and someone call a general election I really do think there’s 100% chance he wins. They don’t want Truss or Sunak.
33 comments
He’ll likely win but is done for regardless – just wait till the Tories are crucified at the forthcoming by elections.
Might not do any good. What was it one Tory said on BBC R4 the other day?
“You will have to pry his fingers off the window sill.”
I wonder if Labour are hoping he wins it. It feels like Johnson is their best weapon at this point.
As much as I dislike Johnson, anyone who is in the running to replace him is even worse. Can you imagine Priti Patel as PM, or Gove? Liz Truss? There is a huge vacuum of talent in the Tory party at the moment, most of the competent people were expelled.
unfortunately, he’ll survive and consider the matter closed in the next 24 hrs. Tories will always preserve their own interests over the public’s
edit: called it
Lets see if the slippery pig can squeeze out of this one
He will stand down before the next election and the new tory leader can continue to blame the policies of previous administration, along with the last Labour government.
I won’t believe anything until Fabrizio Romano gives it the “here we go”
It’s win-win if he’s thrown out it will be hilarious and I’ll personally enjoy it very much, if he stays in he keeps doing damage to his own party his opposition could only dream of. He’s a walking, waffling liability.
If he wins it, they lose the next election, if he loses, they could end up sacrificing their next hope as PM at the next election
Is the better outcome not to leave him in place so he can continue to drag the Conservative Party down with him?
He’ll survive. And he’s not going to resign if it’s close like May and Thatcher did.
[deleted]
A Tory donor somewhere is bricking it he will have to find more budget for wall paper so soon after dishing out.
Good. This is long overdue.
As someone has said, it’s a win-win. If he loses then he is booted, and he has zero chance of redemption. This PM will go down as one of the worst in history. If he wins, then CON can expect to lose big time in 2024, there just isn’t sufficient support amongst the public to keep him in power, and so far Boris has done very little to fix up his image.
Then again, we don’t know the replacement. There are many others in the Conservative party who would do a worse job.
For anyone asking how this all works, here is a useful breakdown
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45953182
He’ll win the vote.
It seems to me that the system of only needing 15% of Conservative MPs to submit letters to trigger a vote that needs a majority of those same MPs to vote against the leader is always likely to result in the leader staying on. It’s not very likely over 35% are going to suddenly decide during the day that they in fact don’t have confidence in Johnson. Then by the Conservative Party rules, he’s immune from another vote for a year!
I am confident that Boris is the pm I would want to run against if I was Labour leader, I am not confident that the tories will stick the knife in today, there is a bunch of inflation and other bad news that any new leader would not want to be blamed for.
So probable timeline:
1. Boris loses the VONC
2. Leadership challenge between Boris / Gove / Jeremy Hunt / Some ERG or Brexiteer nutter
3. Jeremy Hunt gets in as he’s kept a low profile during the Boris era and ‘draws a line’ under brexit / Covid etc and a return to ‘grown up politics’.
4. Tories and client media lap it up, win election in 2025, another decade of these pricks.
Just temper your expectations guys. I am with you all. However sitting PMs usually win these and I expect this to be the same esp as the whips will be rolling out threats like crazy today.
And crucially there are 150 MPs who are on minister pay!
And this ain’t Teresa may. Boris will carry on even if he only wins by one vote.
Seriously, Labour, Lib Dems and Greens should just do a electoral pact against the Tories.
It’s a win win win situation for them all, and plus, Tories will never have a majority ever again.
Does anyone really think he’d call a general election if he wins? That almost sounds like a good thing for anyone who wants the tories out…
This Jesse Norman MP open letter on his reasons not to support Boris is excellent.
https://twitter.com/jesse_norman/status/1533699235417403393
I wish they’d call it a “vote of no confidence” — that’s how it’s reported when it’s a country other than ours.
The Conservative “Party” is really just a company whose business is in gaining political control of the country in order to maintain and increase the wealth of itself and partners (largely by siphoning taxpayers’ money into their own offshore pockets). It has a highly effective PR department which controls much of the country’s media, marketing itself to the population and smearing all competitors which threaten its place in the market.
The number one priority is maintaining power, nothing else matters, because losing power means no more siphoning off the national infrastructure and handing lucrative contracts to employees and partners. If the CEO of the company does something which can threaten this – they will need to be removed and replaced.
I normally vote tory, didn’t vote for Boris as I wanted someone a bit more “serious” and less of a clown, for her faults I prefered mays version of brexit, if we had to have it at all.
If they support him then I honestly don’t know who to vote for, libdem I guess.
A big part of true Conservatism is law and order, right from wrong, a certain moral purity. Boris has none of this, I know “they all lie” to a degree but I’ve never seen it so obvious and disrespectful behaviour. Blair,Brown,Cameron, May all had a certain dignity and respect for the office, the country. If they lied atleast they put some effort into it.
He has to have a consequence, he has to be held accountable, the fact so many of the cabinet will throw core principles in the bin to climb the ladder.
Fuck him and fuck them.
As a labour voter, I don’t care who you replace Boris with. On principle you can’t have a criminal as PM and if Labour deserve to win a GE in two years, albeit perhaps naive, it shouldn’t matter who the Tories throw into the mix. Labour shouldn’t want an “easier” fight.
🎶 You’re on your way out! You’re on your way ooouuutt! Fuck off Bojo, you’re on your way out! 🎶
Can someone explain me this: Why is there no general confidence vote in the house of commons? The Tories don’t have a huge majority. The opposition would only need to get 35 or so Tories to vote with them. That seems like a much smaller hurdle than getting 180 Tories to vote against their leader!
0 chance he loses this and him staying will hopefully make the Tories more susceptible at the next election.
so who else has had an erection for the entire day
This voting system is dead. We need a new one. Public hire /fire. Annually. Online.
As much as I would like him to lose and someone call a general election I really do think there’s 100% chance he wins. They don’t want Truss or Sunak.