This is why we need carbon taxes and cap and trade policies.
The taxes encourage people to buy less polluting stuff by making more polluting stuff expensive, meaning the polluters sell less stuff and so have to become more environmentally friendly in order to stay in business.
Cap and trade policies punish companies which pollute more by forcing them to pay companies which pollute less, which again forces the polluters to become more environmentally friendly if they want to stay in business while simultaneously subsidizing the clean companies.
Carbon emissions of corporations are generated providing us with goods and services.
While I lost a good deal of respect for Moncrieff when he said there should be no such thing as borders he makes two good points here
>The aim [of carbon footprints] was to twist each of us into such a ball of guilt that we would fail to notice that the extravagant majority of carbon emissions don’t come from individuals but from corporations
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>Climate despair is a far more potent weapon than climate denial.
while critics who point to per capita carbon emissions have a point, climate change is predominantly a macro problem, not micro.
Hands up if you were not aware of this?
I thought they were made by Bigfoot to confuse us.
Yeah was aware of this already, bit ashamed to admit that I bought into the whole thing, minding your carbon footprint, recycling, reusing plastic bags, reducing meat and dairy consumption and so on… at the end of the day no individual can combat the climate crisis alone, and even if every single person on the island reduced their footprint massively, we’re still just a tiny island with a small enough population.
Sadly I fear that things are going to get far worse, even before Ireland is directly affected by extreme weather or drought or crop failures, other parts of the world will be. This will likely cause massive migration into Europe, putting a great strain on resources.
The only bit of hope really came from the positive environmental effects when industry in China ground to a halt at the beginning of the pandemic, we finally started getting some positive markers.
Fascinating that people will debate that maybe climate change is a thing, I feel quite bad for the youth of today, they’re fucked and there’s nothing they can do about it
It was to shift the notion of responsibility from oil companies to consumers.
Great PR move in so far as people ate it up, and many still use the term “carbon footprint” to this day.
Yep, BP I believe.
Sounds like a conspiracy theory mr moncrieff
If people are interested in learning more about this sort of thing, but through comedic videos, 2 incredible youtube channels are [the juice media](https://www.youtube.com/user/thejuicemedia/videos) and [climate town](https://www.youtube.com/c/ClimateTown). Honestly, the PR spin these cunts play at is so maddening. Once you know about it you’ll see it everywhere. Applegreen were recently promoting wildlife gardens in schools for fuck sake. A few overpriced flowers isn’t going to make up for them destroying the planet. Besides, schools should be growing these gardens themselves. That way the kids learn hands on about nature, instead of having an oil company install it for them.
I mean I’m all for improving our own personal carbon footprint no matter what to help the environment, but it is a massive scam.
Could I live without straws? Disposable cups? And other single use plastics? Probably, at the end of the day me recycling is a bit redundant given their is massive rivers overflowing with plastics going to into sea every second in Asia
A family burning turf or coal for personal heating / fuel in their house is COMPLETELY irrelevant to the amount of fuel burned elsewhere in the world
No matter how little an Irish person makes their carbon footprint over the course of a decade, is wiped out in a day in the Amazon rainforest as it’s being chopped down
I’m all for a collective effort, but honestly I feel like a right idiot sometimes sorting out my bins at night knowing someone like the US army are literally doing more damage in an instant than a small country does in a day just for some dumb shit like live ammo training in the South Pacific..
I’m glad to say I never gave a shit about climate change so that tactic didn’t work on me.
How is having an awareness about how much carbon emissions your lifestyle amounts to a bad thing?
It wasn’t even invented by BP, but even if it was that isn’t a reason to say it isn’t good to know.
Absolute nonsense from someone who clearly has no scientific background whatsoever. Try reading Vaclav Smil if you’re interested in the environment, our energy use and how we are not just addicted to but dependant on fossil fuels.
The whole “it’s the cooperations” idea is silly, what are we as humans burning fossil fuels for? Simply put, to generate a supply of energy and goods, whether completely necessary food or silly plastic crap for a pound shop. The reason we are doing this is because there are humans around and so there is demand to consume said energy and goods. The cooperations are literally just fulfilling demand. If you remove demand, supply will disappear! I really wish journalists would stop spouting nonsense without actually consulting scientists first
Yes
Environmentalism is gonna be used as a cudgel with which to batter the working classes over the next few decades. Car ownership will be the first thing to go (they won’t ban it you’ll just need to pay a prohibitive tax to get one), then air travel, home ownership, food options and so on. We’ll be serfs again in fifty years. Tied to the place you’re born, only jobs available will be what’s on your doorstep.
Not that change doesn’t need to happen, but I suspect corporations will continue to do what they want and the net impact on the environment will be negligible but quality of life for most people is gonna be going down rapidly.
That quote must be out of context?
Same with plastic recycling. It was pushed by the plastic manufacturers, to avoid any meaningful legislation. most plastic cannot be recycled. And even the stuff that can probably just ends up in a landfill in some developing country. Single use plastics should be banned.
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This is why we need carbon taxes and cap and trade policies.
The taxes encourage people to buy less polluting stuff by making more polluting stuff expensive, meaning the polluters sell less stuff and so have to become more environmentally friendly in order to stay in business.
Cap and trade policies punish companies which pollute more by forcing them to pay companies which pollute less, which again forces the polluters to become more environmentally friendly if they want to stay in business while simultaneously subsidizing the clean companies.
Carbon emissions of corporations are generated providing us with goods and services.
While I lost a good deal of respect for Moncrieff when he said there should be no such thing as borders he makes two good points here
>The aim [of carbon footprints] was to twist each of us into such a ball of guilt that we would fail to notice that the extravagant majority of carbon emissions don’t come from individuals but from corporations
​
>Climate despair is a far more potent weapon than climate denial.
while critics who point to per capita carbon emissions have a point, climate change is predominantly a macro problem, not micro.
Hands up if you were not aware of this?
I thought they were made by Bigfoot to confuse us.
Yeah was aware of this already, bit ashamed to admit that I bought into the whole thing, minding your carbon footprint, recycling, reusing plastic bags, reducing meat and dairy consumption and so on… at the end of the day no individual can combat the climate crisis alone, and even if every single person on the island reduced their footprint massively, we’re still just a tiny island with a small enough population.
Sadly I fear that things are going to get far worse, even before Ireland is directly affected by extreme weather or drought or crop failures, other parts of the world will be. This will likely cause massive migration into Europe, putting a great strain on resources.
The only bit of hope really came from the positive environmental effects when industry in China ground to a halt at the beginning of the pandemic, we finally started getting some positive markers.
Fascinating that people will debate that maybe climate change is a thing, I feel quite bad for the youth of today, they’re fucked and there’s nothing they can do about it
It was to shift the notion of responsibility from oil companies to consumers.
Great PR move in so far as people ate it up, and many still use the term “carbon footprint” to this day.
Yep, BP I believe.
Sounds like a conspiracy theory mr moncrieff
If people are interested in learning more about this sort of thing, but through comedic videos, 2 incredible youtube channels are [the juice media](https://www.youtube.com/user/thejuicemedia/videos) and [climate town](https://www.youtube.com/c/ClimateTown). Honestly, the PR spin these cunts play at is so maddening. Once you know about it you’ll see it everywhere. Applegreen were recently promoting wildlife gardens in schools for fuck sake. A few overpriced flowers isn’t going to make up for them destroying the planet. Besides, schools should be growing these gardens themselves. That way the kids learn hands on about nature, instead of having an oil company install it for them.
I mean I’m all for improving our own personal carbon footprint no matter what to help the environment, but it is a massive scam.
Could I live without straws? Disposable cups? And other single use plastics? Probably, at the end of the day me recycling is a bit redundant given their is massive rivers overflowing with plastics going to into sea every second in Asia
A family burning turf or coal for personal heating / fuel in their house is COMPLETELY irrelevant to the amount of fuel burned elsewhere in the world
No matter how little an Irish person makes their carbon footprint over the course of a decade, is wiped out in a day in the Amazon rainforest as it’s being chopped down
I’m all for a collective effort, but honestly I feel like a right idiot sometimes sorting out my bins at night knowing someone like the US army are literally doing more damage in an instant than a small country does in a day just for some dumb shit like live ammo training in the South Pacific..
I’m glad to say I never gave a shit about climate change so that tactic didn’t work on me.
How is having an awareness about how much carbon emissions your lifestyle amounts to a bad thing?
It wasn’t even invented by BP, but even if it was that isn’t a reason to say it isn’t good to know.
Absolute nonsense from someone who clearly has no scientific background whatsoever. Try reading Vaclav Smil if you’re interested in the environment, our energy use and how we are not just addicted to but dependant on fossil fuels.
The whole “it’s the cooperations” idea is silly, what are we as humans burning fossil fuels for? Simply put, to generate a supply of energy and goods, whether completely necessary food or silly plastic crap for a pound shop. The reason we are doing this is because there are humans around and so there is demand to consume said energy and goods. The cooperations are literally just fulfilling demand. If you remove demand, supply will disappear! I really wish journalists would stop spouting nonsense without actually consulting scientists first
Yes
Environmentalism is gonna be used as a cudgel with which to batter the working classes over the next few decades. Car ownership will be the first thing to go (they won’t ban it you’ll just need to pay a prohibitive tax to get one), then air travel, home ownership, food options and so on. We’ll be serfs again in fifty years. Tied to the place you’re born, only jobs available will be what’s on your doorstep.
Not that change doesn’t need to happen, but I suspect corporations will continue to do what they want and the net impact on the environment will be negligible but quality of life for most people is gonna be going down rapidly.
That quote must be out of context?
Same with plastic recycling. It was pushed by the plastic manufacturers, to avoid any meaningful legislation. most plastic cannot be recycled. And even the stuff that can probably just ends up in a landfill in some developing country. Single use plastics should be banned.