Fuel prices over the next winter will sow so much discord that they know they’ll be out of a job before too long.
> Several sources confirm what one party insider says: “A lot of people are saying it’s time to go into opposition.”
Not really their decision to make, is it?
This is the single most relatable thing fine gael have said in decades.
Fine Gael’s reputation is irreparably toxic to an entire generation, and as long as Varadkar continues to be the face of the party, it’s only going to get worse.
They need a new leader who is more towards the centre. The big problem and I said this when Leo came into the position was he was too right wing for the overall party base to be happy. FG before Leo were a bit of a compromise between centre left and centre right. He dragged the party more right so a portion of the base has either left or become disillusioned by his leadership.
Even the overall idea of FG and FF being different at least slightly has been eroded by them going into gov with FF. It’s supposed to be flipping between both and those battling for our votes. Now it’s just “well fuck it we might as well be the same party” there is no differentiation of policies. There is only FFG and that is a big loss for the state in a way because it means more or less we have now become a defacto two party system FFG vs SF whereas before it would have been at least a semi-balance between the 3 even if SF were always opposition up to this point.
I think we need the proper 3rd party but I don’t trust FF or FG to separate going forward.
Unhappiness? Why not practice some mindfulness to appreciate their status of being housed and uncaring? You could give some people the world and they still wouldn’t be happy.
How out of touch they are.
Tldr. The slowdown on passports is giving them alot of hassle with the common folk stopping them in their constituencies.
They arnt getting the numbers at their local meetings. 10 people turning up at events they used to get hundreds at. (I’d say donations are seriously down with these numbers)
Then they don’t speak about how to fix the country they talk about how to adjust their marketing strategy so that they can appeal to a demographic that will give them enough votes to get back into power.
They think if they can convince the people who get up in the morning to vote for them again they can go back to building hotels and filling them with people who get up in the morning and refugees.
I think, unfortunately for Fine Gael, the “people who get up early” rhetoric only works In a vacuum in which people already have a base level of wealth; as in, 500k house, 50+ years old, squeezing out their final working years.
I think it’ll be very hard to convince people in their 20’s & 30’s, paying extortionate rent, or stuck in the box room, that they’re doing something for them. They’ve been “getting up early” for more than a decade at this stage, and it hasn’t done them any favors. This party is the party of the housing crisis, the party that told them that if they did well in their leaving, got a good degree, and got up early in the morning they’d have everything they’d want.
So when they did all of that, and now don’t have a pot to piss in, and have had their youth stolen from them to only to increase the wealth of their parents and the elite, I really don’t think the rhetoric will stick.
Ironically, the core Fine Gael voter doesn’t really exist anymore, directly due to Fine Gael policies. Even those who do make it, have a good job, have a partner with a good job, struggle to save for a massive deposit while renting a shithole, and finally buy a house. They know that they’re still getting screwed. 500k for a 60 year old house that needs 50k of work is still a kick in the teeth and worth much less than what they paid.
Due to this, they’re going to become more and more reliant on an ever dwindling base of wealthy boomers who they can still peddle their failing neo-liberal, market led policies to.
The era of Fine Gael is over.
This will be nothing compared to what we will see if Sinn Fein get into power. Their backbench TDs are fair dodgy and there seems not to be much in the way of a unified ideology. There will be infighting galore and the whole thing will implode.
Ah sure they will be out of the job soon enough along with ff. There is very little way Sinn Fein wont win the next election. Id put money on it. I mean when houses are going for 500k and rents are sky rocketing plus the price of living it does not help. The general consensus in Ireland is FF one term and FG the next. They have really shot themselves in the foot going into collation together. To be honest Id be delighted to see ff and fg wither and die.
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“People who get up in the morning” phrase doesn’t offend me as much as some people. I actually think the service received vs tax paid ratio is way off in this country. But I don’t understand how they are going to propose doing something for the high tax paying cohort now without realizing that those people will ask why now? Why not during all the years they were actually in power?
Maybe Fine Gael TDs could raise rents on properties they own? That might cheer them up.
It’ll be interesting at least to see who can blame who for the current or future malaise whenever one of the two main parties return to the opposition. “Your government is responsible for x y and z”,,, “eh, you were in government too with us”
Surely it’s normal that a ‘broad church’ party would have tensions at the edge.
I’m also externally unhappy with them
Can you not rub a brown Envelope on it , to make it better ?
Crisis of the conscience? The fucks are literally selling their own country out from under it’s people.
Charting this FG downward trend against Leinster RFU’s recent performances.
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Not unhappiness! What ever will they do.
Fuel prices over the next winter will sow so much discord that they know they’ll be out of a job before too long.
> Several sources confirm what one party insider says: “A lot of people are saying it’s time to go into opposition.”
Not really their decision to make, is it?
This is the single most relatable thing fine gael have said in decades.
Fine Gael’s reputation is irreparably toxic to an entire generation, and as long as Varadkar continues to be the face of the party, it’s only going to get worse.
They need a new leader who is more towards the centre. The big problem and I said this when Leo came into the position was he was too right wing for the overall party base to be happy. FG before Leo were a bit of a compromise between centre left and centre right. He dragged the party more right so a portion of the base has either left or become disillusioned by his leadership.
Even the overall idea of FG and FF being different at least slightly has been eroded by them going into gov with FF. It’s supposed to be flipping between both and those battling for our votes. Now it’s just “well fuck it we might as well be the same party” there is no differentiation of policies. There is only FFG and that is a big loss for the state in a way because it means more or less we have now become a defacto two party system FFG vs SF whereas before it would have been at least a semi-balance between the 3 even if SF were always opposition up to this point.
I think we need the proper 3rd party but I don’t trust FF or FG to separate going forward.
Unhappiness? Why not practice some mindfulness to appreciate their status of being housed and uncaring? You could give some people the world and they still wouldn’t be happy.
How out of touch they are.
Tldr. The slowdown on passports is giving them alot of hassle with the common folk stopping them in their constituencies.
They arnt getting the numbers at their local meetings. 10 people turning up at events they used to get hundreds at. (I’d say donations are seriously down with these numbers)
Then they don’t speak about how to fix the country they talk about how to adjust their marketing strategy so that they can appeal to a demographic that will give them enough votes to get back into power.
They think if they can convince the people who get up in the morning to vote for them again they can go back to building hotels and filling them with people who get up in the morning and refugees.
I think, unfortunately for Fine Gael, the “people who get up early” rhetoric only works In a vacuum in which people already have a base level of wealth; as in, 500k house, 50+ years old, squeezing out their final working years.
I think it’ll be very hard to convince people in their 20’s & 30’s, paying extortionate rent, or stuck in the box room, that they’re doing something for them. They’ve been “getting up early” for more than a decade at this stage, and it hasn’t done them any favors. This party is the party of the housing crisis, the party that told them that if they did well in their leaving, got a good degree, and got up early in the morning they’d have everything they’d want.
So when they did all of that, and now don’t have a pot to piss in, and have had their youth stolen from them to only to increase the wealth of their parents and the elite, I really don’t think the rhetoric will stick.
Ironically, the core Fine Gael voter doesn’t really exist anymore, directly due to Fine Gael policies. Even those who do make it, have a good job, have a partner with a good job, struggle to save for a massive deposit while renting a shithole, and finally buy a house. They know that they’re still getting screwed. 500k for a 60 year old house that needs 50k of work is still a kick in the teeth and worth much less than what they paid.
Due to this, they’re going to become more and more reliant on an ever dwindling base of wealthy boomers who they can still peddle their failing neo-liberal, market led policies to.
The era of Fine Gael is over.
This will be nothing compared to what we will see if Sinn Fein get into power. Their backbench TDs are fair dodgy and there seems not to be much in the way of a unified ideology. There will be infighting galore and the whole thing will implode.
Ah sure they will be out of the job soon enough along with ff. There is very little way Sinn Fein wont win the next election. Id put money on it. I mean when houses are going for 500k and rents are sky rocketing plus the price of living it does not help. The general consensus in Ireland is FF one term and FG the next. They have really shot themselves in the foot going into collation together. To be honest Id be delighted to see ff and fg wither and die.
Good
“People who get up in the morning” phrase doesn’t offend me as much as some people. I actually think the service received vs tax paid ratio is way off in this country. But I don’t understand how they are going to propose doing something for the high tax paying cohort now without realizing that those people will ask why now? Why not during all the years they were actually in power?
Maybe Fine Gael TDs could raise rents on properties they own? That might cheer them up.
It’ll be interesting at least to see who can blame who for the current or future malaise whenever one of the two main parties return to the opposition. “Your government is responsible for x y and z”,,, “eh, you were in government too with us”
Surely it’s normal that a ‘broad church’ party would have tensions at the edge.
I’m also externally unhappy with them
Can you not rub a brown Envelope on it , to make it better ?
Crisis of the conscience? The fucks are literally selling their own country out from under it’s people.
Charting this FG downward trend against Leinster RFU’s recent performances.
The data is hard to ignore…