>”We hebben situaties die echt problematisch zijn”, schetst de burgemeester van Florenville, Caroline Godfrin, in Le Soir. “Meestal zijn die veroorzaakt door groepen uit Vlaanderen.”
Zeg!
Goh, ik volg het wel: heeft alcohol een plaats op jeugdkamen? Voor de kinderen zeker niet, en in theorie moeten de begeleiders altijd capabel blijven om iemand naar het ziekenhuis te voeren ofzo als er iets mis gaat.
In de praktijk volg ik ook de reactie van de scouts: in 90% is er geek probleem, en sommigen verkloten het voor de rest. Maar persoonlijk vind in dat zwak, willen we echt een signaal geven aan de jeugd dat alcohol noodzakelijk is om plezier te hebben? Die ene week kunnen ze wel zonder
This is one of the things I have to give to the Americans. The fact that we have adults who are in charge of children, who are enabling said children to get drunk, is something I will always find very peculiar.
100% disproportional indeed.
First off: camps with scouts & gidsen, chiro, KSA/KLJ, … are also camps for the leaders. They also pay to be able to go in a large part of the cases, it’s also their holidays, and they take charge of your children for a week to 2 weeks, entirely voluntarily.
Too much drinking is never okay, not having at least 2 bobs / night is never okay, but other than that it really shouldn’t be a big deal if they want to enjoy themselves a bit after the kids are asleep. If they want to crack open a cold one during their free time, who are we to judge how they want to enjoy their downtime?
Those nights make for great team bonding, and give those people some time for themselves, which immediately affects your child’s experience, too.
Come on, let those people have some fun. We’ve been collectively locked up for 2 years, students have always been the big butt of the COVID crisis (together with the culture sector and restauration sector obviously), and now that it’s finally possible to organize a camp again without COVID regulation and the whole shazzam, local governments want to force new limitations.
That’s just ridiculous.
First question:
What is the age range for jeugdkampen?
Second question: Typically who organises these summer camps.
I went to Summer camps with the cubs, and later scouts, and it would be incomprehensible if there was alcohol. I imagine it would have made headlines if there had. But I am old, and decrepit, and wasn’t brought up in Belgium where legal drinking age was and remains 18. 😉
My Belgian ex and I won’t send our children off to a summer camp with beer in rucksack. Not a hope in hell we’d let under age children lose with a beer in their hands. It’s like playing with fire.
Couple of years ago when I was a scout leader the local police in Chimay decided to raid our camp at 2 am the night before the kids arrived because of a noise complaint. They used 3 vans and detained all of our staff caught with a beer on the field/tent by forcing them into one big holding cell, asking me as the designated driver/bob of that night to pick them up at 5 am. There’s definitely a low tolerance for anything scout-related in those parts. I spent more than 10 camps thereafter in the East Cantons where we never had any issues with the police or neighbours.
Well, let’s give this a broader view and compare with the situation in the US where the legal drinking age is 21.
From the US centre of disease control:
Underage drinking is a significant public health problem in the U.S. Excessive drinking is responsible for more than 3,900 deaths and 225,000 years of potential life lost among people under age 21 each year. Underage drinking cost the U.S. $24 billion in 2010.
Why is it important to wait until the age of 21 to drink?
First of all, the brain is not fully developed in adolescence.
Starting to drink alcohol at a young age can hinder the development of the brain’s structure and functioning.
Second, teens who start drinking before age 15 are six times more likely to develop problems with alcohol abuse or alcohol dependency than those who start drinking at age 21.
The US is a country with many problems, but the protection of youth against a hard drug like alcohol is much better understood and regulated then in BE and by extension the EU.
Volgende zomer: 4 waalse gemeentes zien geen zomerkampen meer uit Vlaanderen. Inkomsten uit toerisme kelderen.
Been chiro leader for +8years, idgaf what you do at night. Just keep the kids safe and always put them in the first place. We always had 2 bobs, with 2 cars and 2 copilots on standby. When the kids went to bed I smoked weed and chilled while the other were binge drinking and feeling nauseous in the morning lol.
Waarschijnlijk slechte ervaringen uit het verleden, persoonlijk zie ik het probleem niet van redelijke alcohol en cannabisregels op te leggen.Als ik kijk naar het alcoholgebruik van de lokale jeugdbewegingen in hun eigen lokalen wil ik niet weten wat dat op kamp is.
Next thing you know they’ll be banning alcohol in all of Leuven because “the students cause too much trouble when drunk”.
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>”We hebben situaties die echt problematisch zijn”, schetst de burgemeester van Florenville, Caroline Godfrin, in Le Soir. “Meestal zijn die veroorzaakt door groepen uit Vlaanderen.”
Zeg!
Goh, ik volg het wel: heeft alcohol een plaats op jeugdkamen? Voor de kinderen zeker niet, en in theorie moeten de begeleiders altijd capabel blijven om iemand naar het ziekenhuis te voeren ofzo als er iets mis gaat.
In de praktijk volg ik ook de reactie van de scouts: in 90% is er geek probleem, en sommigen verkloten het voor de rest. Maar persoonlijk vind in dat zwak, willen we echt een signaal geven aan de jeugd dat alcohol noodzakelijk is om plezier te hebben? Die ene week kunnen ze wel zonder
This is one of the things I have to give to the Americans. The fact that we have adults who are in charge of children, who are enabling said children to get drunk, is something I will always find very peculiar.
100% disproportional indeed.
First off: camps with scouts & gidsen, chiro, KSA/KLJ, … are also camps for the leaders. They also pay to be able to go in a large part of the cases, it’s also their holidays, and they take charge of your children for a week to 2 weeks, entirely voluntarily.
Too much drinking is never okay, not having at least 2 bobs / night is never okay, but other than that it really shouldn’t be a big deal if they want to enjoy themselves a bit after the kids are asleep. If they want to crack open a cold one during their free time, who are we to judge how they want to enjoy their downtime?
Those nights make for great team bonding, and give those people some time for themselves, which immediately affects your child’s experience, too.
Come on, let those people have some fun. We’ve been collectively locked up for 2 years, students have always been the big butt of the COVID crisis (together with the culture sector and restauration sector obviously), and now that it’s finally possible to organize a camp again without COVID regulation and the whole shazzam, local governments want to force new limitations.
That’s just ridiculous.
First question:
What is the age range for jeugdkampen?
Second question: Typically who organises these summer camps.
I went to Summer camps with the cubs, and later scouts, and it would be incomprehensible if there was alcohol. I imagine it would have made headlines if there had. But I am old, and decrepit, and wasn’t brought up in Belgium where legal drinking age was and remains 18. 😉
My Belgian ex and I won’t send our children off to a summer camp with beer in rucksack. Not a hope in hell we’d let under age children lose with a beer in their hands. It’s like playing with fire.
Couple of years ago when I was a scout leader the local police in Chimay decided to raid our camp at 2 am the night before the kids arrived because of a noise complaint. They used 3 vans and detained all of our staff caught with a beer on the field/tent by forcing them into one big holding cell, asking me as the designated driver/bob of that night to pick them up at 5 am. There’s definitely a low tolerance for anything scout-related in those parts. I spent more than 10 camps thereafter in the East Cantons where we never had any issues with the police or neighbours.
Well, let’s give this a broader view and compare with the situation in the US where the legal drinking age is 21.
From the US centre of disease control:
Underage drinking is a significant public health problem in the U.S. Excessive drinking is responsible for more than 3,900 deaths and 225,000 years of potential life lost among people under age 21 each year. Underage drinking cost the U.S. $24 billion in 2010.
Why is it important to wait until the age of 21 to drink?
First of all, the brain is not fully developed in adolescence.
Starting to drink alcohol at a young age can hinder the development of the brain’s structure and functioning.
Second, teens who start drinking before age 15 are six times more likely to develop problems with alcohol abuse or alcohol dependency than those who start drinking at age 21.
The US is a country with many problems, but the protection of youth against a hard drug like alcohol is much better understood and regulated then in BE and by extension the EU.
Volgende zomer: 4 waalse gemeentes zien geen zomerkampen meer uit Vlaanderen. Inkomsten uit toerisme kelderen.
Been chiro leader for +8years, idgaf what you do at night. Just keep the kids safe and always put them in the first place. We always had 2 bobs, with 2 cars and 2 copilots on standby. When the kids went to bed I smoked weed and chilled while the other were binge drinking and feeling nauseous in the morning lol.
Waarschijnlijk slechte ervaringen uit het verleden, persoonlijk zie ik het probleem niet van redelijke alcohol en cannabisregels op te leggen.Als ik kijk naar het alcoholgebruik van de lokale jeugdbewegingen in hun eigen lokalen wil ik niet weten wat dat op kamp is.
Next thing you know they’ll be banning alcohol in all of Leuven because “the students cause too much trouble when drunk”.