Just force the NIMBYs into a chain gang and make them assist in the construction at gunpoint.
>“There are high-density developments around us. Fernbank is there at five to six storeys, the Central Mental Hospital is planned for up to seven. They are high density but low rise, and that’s what makes everyone happy.”
Oh gosh, so it turns out you can have just as high density in a low rise development? I’m sure it’s some kind of innovative architecture at play there, messing with angles and whatnot. Better site utilisation?
>“The LDA listened and consulted with us and others, and in my view the Central Mental Hospital will be a very nice development,” Nick Armstrong of Imagine Dundrum says. “That’s going to be 950 residences on 10 hectares, but the village site would be 881 residences on 3.5 hectares, which is really dense.”
Ah. So, no, then? It’s just fewer places for people to live – 950 residences instead of 2,500. Grand so.
This attitude is so common unfortunately.
“I have my house here and I don’t want anything about the area to change so fuck anyone else who needs somewhere to live. Obviously I can’t say it that explicitly so I have to talk some bollocks about how the development would be “out of character” for the area.”
Nimbyism is a curse
Pity you can’t to show favour for a development instead of only objections. Might prevent the NIMBY brigade preventing any and all progress
Place was better when it was all fields anyway, those houses ruined the look and feel of the area.
Dundrum is only a village when the building of apartments is considered. For the purposes of LUAS lines, bus stops, shopping centres, Garda coverage, etc. etc. etc. it’s a suburb of Dublin City. I know if I lived in Dublin 14, I wouldn’t exactly be overcome with shock at the sight of a 16 storey building.
To be fair to the residents, the apartment looks like it will cast a shadow over them. It’s unfair to be cast in the shade for the whole day. At the end of the day, they got there first.
However, on the other hand, they should be seeking a compromise, not a complete objection. At the end of the day, Dundrum is a perfect place for high-density living. The more people that move in, the more they will get the benefits of having a large population, of which plenty exist.
I don’t see the appeal of living in a suburb with mostly a bunch of roads.
Just realised I’m neighbours with this guy – they spent the last 2 years doing up their place, so no wonder he doesn’t want other properties around him.
He’s right, we should tear down Paris, Berlin, Madrid, London! New York! What were they thinking! Building high in cities, madness!
It’s a bit sad because there are legitimate concerns mixed in with all the NIMBYism. €385k for a one bedroom apartment is beyond ridiculous, and there really has to be heavy investment in public transport.
That being said, these people are fighting tooth and nail to keep village living with big city benefits. Sorry, but it just can’t happen.
Not every proposal is a good one, we shouldn’t be jumping to defend any plan just because a developer promises to build x amount of houses. In this instance, according to the article, the development is 95% residential, but the area is zoned mixed use. The guy is correct in saying that 95% housing is not mixed use.
People were up in arms yesterday over the shared bar area on O’Connell street being turned into a hotel. Yet when a plan that was supposed to include entertainment/leisure and a public plaza turns out to have none of those things everyone is fine with it.
Do we actually want public spaces and amenities or not? Do people really think it’s a good idea to allow large developments like this to only include a token amount of basic retails units and provide nothing else for the people that will live there and in the surrounding area?
“I got mine; Fuck you”
Most of the people in this thread complaining about the residents would also be complaining if the same thing happened to them. If you’ve spent quite a lot of money on a house, not wanting the sun to be blocked from said property is not an unfair complaint.
Some of the concerns I’ve seen about the development was that public transport infastructure would suffer.
And in fairness, the Dundrum luas stop is hell on earth during rush hour as it is. But the whole “ohh uhhh a shadow will appear over 1/3 of my garden in the evening” is a shite excuse.
Every time they complain – add another floor
In all honesty, fuck each and every person that rejects to this. People giving out that these apartments are too expensive? I used to live on sweetmount avenue. Those houses are an absolute goldmine (700k-1m for a 3/4 bed on that road). Dundrum “old village” is an absolute eyesore. Its like walking through a shit time capsule on the way to Dundrum shopping centre.
The only reason these older people are objecting is because their homes are sitting pretty at the top of these awful housing prices we see today, and these apartments might decrease their value. Imagine what these apartments could do for the people of Dublin? I know people up to the age of 35 and married still renting with roommates trying to buy a place for themselves. Why in gods name would you object to someone potentially having their own home? absolute disgrace if you ask me with the all time high in homelessness and housing crisis. They should be ashamed of themselves.
GOOD. Build up! It’s not ridiculous at all. Stop building nonsense 4 bedroom houses that take up space. This is what developed countries do. Why can’t we just get apartment buildings in this country is just blowing my mind everyday. Apartment is enough for 2+2+dog, let alone all the single people, elderly living alone, students etc. They all pay the price because some 5% of welfare ”mommies” want to have a trampoline in their garden for their little screaming shits.
Irish papers again only presenting the objections and meanwhile somewhere else questioning why we have a housing crisis.
I imagine this chap would have objected regardless of whether it was 2-storeys or 16-storeys. I also love the shot of him at his home standing next to a Range Rover while complaining about the cost of the apartments – as if he is on the tight budget of a 25 year old simply looking for a place to live.
Finally, there is some weird cognitive dissonance amongst the public at large that because something is expensive that nobody will use it. Mr. Logan essentially says that the apartments are too expensive for people – does he think they just build things to sit there as vacant units??
Does this man not realise he lives in the capital city of the country? If he doesn’t want to live in a city he should just move. Looks like he can afford to anyways
Edit: A suburb of the capital city may be more accurate. But trying to call Dundrum a village is just purposefuly dishonest.
It’s literally the perfect spot for density. Luas stop on its doorstep. The centre there for all their food/shopping needs within walking distance.
They’re doing exactly that in front of me in Dublin 8. 10 storeys I believe. I’m on the 4th floor. Will completely block the light into my sitting room and block my view of poolbeg towers which I love to see on a clear day. But I didn’t object because you know, progress and I want the area to look better
The man saying it’s a little village, Dundrum hasn’t been a village since the fucking 1960s. What fucking planet are these old cunts living on. They’d put in a complaint about the height of garden gnomes.
Tough shit. We need housing. You want unobstructed views? Move out the countryside.
This is such an Irish complaint. In a housing crisis and people complaining that apartments are being built.
As someone once said about buying a house with a sea view and paying fucking well for it, you’re paying for something you’ll never own. Someone could easily buy and try and build between you and your view and there’s fuck all you can do about it other than object and hope it’s a valid objection. But that is a ridiculous system as well and highly flawed.
They look ugly as sin I have to say. Developers are getting away with zero effort atm.
Miserable cunt. I grew up 2 seconds from there, and worked in that shopping center the whole time I was in college, and had to emigrate because I couldn’t afford to live there / anywhere in dublin.
That part of dundrum is such a dark dreary place they seriously need to start plonking with the 16 storeys.
How many centuries have these housing estates been there in the village? I’m assuming from the tone of the article that this is some ancient housing estate going back to the depths of time? Because the village and the character of the village couldn’t surely have been changed back at the time when the housing estates were built?
Nimbyism at its finest.
It’s a long time since Dundrum could be classed as a village.
“In front of peoples houses”
I live nearby, its “infront” of about 8 houses maximum……
The reason the 1st bloke doesnt want it is because hes had his entire grden revamped brand spanking new and is in a corner gaf so we all know the value would drop……
Complaining about how it would look. But his gaf looks out at the back of a half derelict sShopping centre built in the 80s……
You can DERELICT my balls.
Wanker
Why should ppl care about his feelings when others are basically fighting homelessness on a daily basis.. Cunt much
Such rubbish, why is the main broadsheet newspaper in the country giving column inches to such blatant nimbyism? It’s fine to object to developments if there are major issues with it, but the reasons they given are really poor. Talking about how people won’t be able to afford them, etc.
Also, Dundrum is well served by probably the best functioning public transport in the city and also has the biggest shopping centre. It’s an ideal spot to start increasing the population density and high rises are the best way to do this. It’s not like you’re losing out on a world class landscape view, you’re basically looking at a derelict site now.
Knock the houses and build a taller building to give them a better view I say
How about we do a compulsory purchase order on their house and build twice as many apartments?
“Nice house you got there, be a shame if you had to move somewhere else and compete with the thousands of people trying to buy somewhere to live like the places you’re objecting to.”
Ah the “I live in urban sprawl city because NIMBYs like me love our suburb living inside the city development zones” type of cunt.
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He’s the reason that we have satellite towns getting swamped by estates, because we can not go up in the high density requirement areas
The only time I will feel pity is if some person has plastered their house with solar and a development basically destroys any natural light.
That’s a perfect location for a high density development. Luas, bus terminals, biking lanes, and walking distance to any shop you’d ever need. And it’s replacing a gigantic eyesore of a rundown shopping center on that corner.
Right now ‘in front of peoples houses’ is the Dundrum bypass road and the open badkside of a run down shopping development. They are worried of losing that view of the Dealz crew throwing out cardboard boxes?
It’s in a valley so only a few houses affected. They should be just paid a fixed compo 200k or something
Dundrum is probably one of the nicest suburbs in Dublin but that shopping centre makes it look like a complete shithole. You’d be forgiven for thinking you got off at the wrong Luas stop.
Knock it down, build some apartments, and give Logan some rose-tinted glasses for when he wants to come out of his garden
Imagine understanding that we need to build 16 storey apartment blocks so people can have somewhere to live and thinking it’s a ridiculous notion to have to look at them.
You don’t have the right to a view if you don’t like the veiw buy the land infront or you, if you can’t afford it that’s shite but that’s how it is.
Don’t have a right to own the veiw of land that isn’t yours.
Absolute nimbyism in its purest form. Just build the apartments. We’re in a housing crisis. This is 950 homes.
its pure nimbyism, ive had debates with the guy in the video whos paying for fb ads to block it. it just comes down to the building being too big and him not wanting a shadow on his house. its ridiculous and everything that is wrong with this country.
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Destroy the houses to make more apartments then
Just force the NIMBYs into a chain gang and make them assist in the construction at gunpoint.
>“There are high-density developments around us. Fernbank is there at five to six storeys, the Central Mental Hospital is planned for up to seven. They are high density but low rise, and that’s what makes everyone happy.”
Oh gosh, so it turns out you can have just as high density in a low rise development? I’m sure it’s some kind of innovative architecture at play there, messing with angles and whatnot. Better site utilisation?
>“The LDA listened and consulted with us and others, and in my view the Central Mental Hospital will be a very nice development,” Nick Armstrong of Imagine Dundrum says. “That’s going to be 950 residences on 10 hectares, but the village site would be 881 residences on 3.5 hectares, which is really dense.”
Ah. So, no, then? It’s just fewer places for people to live – 950 residences instead of 2,500. Grand so.
This attitude is so common unfortunately.
“I have my house here and I don’t want anything about the area to change so fuck anyone else who needs somewhere to live. Obviously I can’t say it that explicitly so I have to talk some bollocks about how the development would be “out of character” for the area.”
Nimbyism is a curse
Pity you can’t to show favour for a development instead of only objections. Might prevent the NIMBY brigade preventing any and all progress
Place was better when it was all fields anyway, those houses ruined the look and feel of the area.
Dundrum is only a village when the building of apartments is considered. For the purposes of LUAS lines, bus stops, shopping centres, Garda coverage, etc. etc. etc. it’s a suburb of Dublin City. I know if I lived in Dublin 14, I wouldn’t exactly be overcome with shock at the sight of a 16 storey building.
To be fair to the residents, the apartment looks like it will cast a shadow over them. It’s unfair to be cast in the shade for the whole day. At the end of the day, they got there first.
However, on the other hand, they should be seeking a compromise, not a complete objection. At the end of the day, Dundrum is a perfect place for high-density living. The more people that move in, the more they will get the benefits of having a large population, of which plenty exist.
I don’t see the appeal of living in a suburb with mostly a bunch of roads.
Just realised I’m neighbours with this guy – they spent the last 2 years doing up their place, so no wonder he doesn’t want other properties around him.
He’s right, we should tear down Paris, Berlin, Madrid, London! New York! What were they thinking! Building high in cities, madness!
It’s a bit sad because there are legitimate concerns mixed in with all the NIMBYism. €385k for a one bedroom apartment is beyond ridiculous, and there really has to be heavy investment in public transport.
That being said, these people are fighting tooth and nail to keep village living with big city benefits. Sorry, but it just can’t happen.
Not every proposal is a good one, we shouldn’t be jumping to defend any plan just because a developer promises to build x amount of houses. In this instance, according to the article, the development is 95% residential, but the area is zoned mixed use. The guy is correct in saying that 95% housing is not mixed use.
People were up in arms yesterday over the shared bar area on O’Connell street being turned into a hotel. Yet when a plan that was supposed to include entertainment/leisure and a public plaza turns out to have none of those things everyone is fine with it.
Do we actually want public spaces and amenities or not? Do people really think it’s a good idea to allow large developments like this to only include a token amount of basic retails units and provide nothing else for the people that will live there and in the surrounding area?
“I got mine; Fuck you”
Most of the people in this thread complaining about the residents would also be complaining if the same thing happened to them. If you’ve spent quite a lot of money on a house, not wanting the sun to be blocked from said property is not an unfair complaint.
Some of the concerns I’ve seen about the development was that public transport infastructure would suffer.
And in fairness, the Dundrum luas stop is hell on earth during rush hour as it is. But the whole “ohh uhhh a shadow will appear over 1/3 of my garden in the evening” is a shite excuse.
Every time they complain – add another floor
In all honesty, fuck each and every person that rejects to this. People giving out that these apartments are too expensive? I used to live on sweetmount avenue. Those houses are an absolute goldmine (700k-1m for a 3/4 bed on that road). Dundrum “old village” is an absolute eyesore. Its like walking through a shit time capsule on the way to Dundrum shopping centre.
The only reason these older people are objecting is because their homes are sitting pretty at the top of these awful housing prices we see today, and these apartments might decrease their value. Imagine what these apartments could do for the people of Dublin? I know people up to the age of 35 and married still renting with roommates trying to buy a place for themselves. Why in gods name would you object to someone potentially having their own home? absolute disgrace if you ask me with the all time high in homelessness and housing crisis. They should be ashamed of themselves.
GOOD. Build up! It’s not ridiculous at all. Stop building nonsense 4 bedroom houses that take up space. This is what developed countries do. Why can’t we just get apartment buildings in this country is just blowing my mind everyday. Apartment is enough for 2+2+dog, let alone all the single people, elderly living alone, students etc. They all pay the price because some 5% of welfare ”mommies” want to have a trampoline in their garden for their little screaming shits.
Irish papers again only presenting the objections and meanwhile somewhere else questioning why we have a housing crisis.
I imagine this chap would have objected regardless of whether it was 2-storeys or 16-storeys. I also love the shot of him at his home standing next to a Range Rover while complaining about the cost of the apartments – as if he is on the tight budget of a 25 year old simply looking for a place to live.
Finally, there is some weird cognitive dissonance amongst the public at large that because something is expensive that nobody will use it. Mr. Logan essentially says that the apartments are too expensive for people – does he think they just build things to sit there as vacant units??
Does this man not realise he lives in the capital city of the country? If he doesn’t want to live in a city he should just move. Looks like he can afford to anyways
Edit: A suburb of the capital city may be more accurate. But trying to call Dundrum a village is just purposefuly dishonest.
It’s literally the perfect spot for density. Luas stop on its doorstep. The centre there for all their food/shopping needs within walking distance.
Absolute fuckers opposing this. Absolute self centred fuckers.
Affordable housing
Continuing to build out instead of up
Pick one.
They’re doing exactly that in front of me in Dublin 8. 10 storeys I believe. I’m on the 4th floor. Will completely block the light into my sitting room and block my view of poolbeg towers which I love to see on a clear day. But I didn’t object because you know, progress and I want the area to look better
The man saying it’s a little village, Dundrum hasn’t been a village since the fucking 1960s. What fucking planet are these old cunts living on. They’d put in a complaint about the height of garden gnomes.
Tough shit. We need housing. You want unobstructed views? Move out the countryside.
This is such an Irish complaint. In a housing crisis and people complaining that apartments are being built.
As someone once said about buying a house with a sea view and paying fucking well for it, you’re paying for something you’ll never own. Someone could easily buy and try and build between you and your view and there’s fuck all you can do about it other than object and hope it’s a valid objection. But that is a ridiculous system as well and highly flawed.
They look ugly as sin I have to say. Developers are getting away with zero effort atm.
Miserable cunt. I grew up 2 seconds from there, and worked in that shopping center the whole time I was in college, and had to emigrate because I couldn’t afford to live there / anywhere in dublin.
That part of dundrum is such a dark dreary place they seriously need to start plonking with the 16 storeys.
How many centuries have these housing estates been there in the village? I’m assuming from the tone of the article that this is some ancient housing estate going back to the depths of time? Because the village and the character of the village couldn’t surely have been changed back at the time when the housing estates were built?
Nimbyism at its finest.
It’s a long time since Dundrum could be classed as a village.
“In front of peoples houses”
I live nearby, its “infront” of about 8 houses maximum……
The reason the 1st bloke doesnt want it is because hes had his entire grden revamped brand spanking new and is in a corner gaf so we all know the value would drop……
Complaining about how it would look. But his gaf looks out at the back of a half derelict sShopping centre built in the 80s……
You can DERELICT my balls.
Wanker
Why should ppl care about his feelings when others are basically fighting homelessness on a daily basis.. Cunt much
Such rubbish, why is the main broadsheet newspaper in the country giving column inches to such blatant nimbyism? It’s fine to object to developments if there are major issues with it, but the reasons they given are really poor. Talking about how people won’t be able to afford them, etc.
Also, Dundrum is well served by probably the best functioning public transport in the city and also has the biggest shopping centre. It’s an ideal spot to start increasing the population density and high rises are the best way to do this. It’s not like you’re losing out on a world class landscape view, you’re basically looking at a derelict site now.
Knock the houses and build a taller building to give them a better view I say
How about we do a compulsory purchase order on their house and build twice as many apartments?
“Nice house you got there, be a shame if you had to move somewhere else and compete with the thousands of people trying to buy somewhere to live like the places you’re objecting to.”
Ah the “I live in urban sprawl city because NIMBYs like me love our suburb living inside the city development zones” type of cunt.
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He’s the reason that we have satellite towns getting swamped by estates, because we can not go up in the high density requirement areas
The only time I will feel pity is if some person has plastered their house with solar and a development basically destroys any natural light.
That’s a perfect location for a high density development. Luas, bus terminals, biking lanes, and walking distance to any shop you’d ever need. And it’s replacing a gigantic eyesore of a rundown shopping center on that corner.
Right now ‘in front of peoples houses’ is the Dundrum bypass road and the open badkside of a run down shopping development. They are worried of losing that view of the Dealz crew throwing out cardboard boxes?
It’s in a valley so only a few houses affected. They should be just paid a fixed compo 200k or something
Dundrum is probably one of the nicest suburbs in Dublin but that shopping centre makes it look like a complete shithole. You’d be forgiven for thinking you got off at the wrong Luas stop.
Knock it down, build some apartments, and give Logan some rose-tinted glasses for when he wants to come out of his garden
Imagine understanding that we need to build 16 storey apartment blocks so people can have somewhere to live and thinking it’s a ridiculous notion to have to look at them.
You don’t have the right to a view if you don’t like the veiw buy the land infront or you, if you can’t afford it that’s shite but that’s how it is.
Don’t have a right to own the veiw of land that isn’t yours.
Absolute nimbyism in its purest form. Just build the apartments. We’re in a housing crisis. This is 950 homes.
its pure nimbyism, ive had debates with the guy in the video whos paying for fb ads to block it. it just comes down to the building being too big and him not wanting a shadow on his house. its ridiculous and everything that is wrong with this country.