I wish a more nuanced debate about blasphemy in the UK could be had – as this post points out.
> The tenets of one religion are often offensive to believers of another, and to non-believers. There can be no freedom of religion without the freedom to give offence.
Is this not exactly what Rowan Atkinson et al have been saying in the face of various anti free speech laws?
I wonder what the guy meant by “You will have repercussions for your actions.” It does sound like a threat that one of his followers might decide to enact on some poor cinema worker.
The philosopher Karl Popper wrote extensively on tolerance in society and his “paradox of intolerance” discussion is IMO very relevant here.
A tolerant society should not tolerate actions that aim to use the freedoms afforded to it, to undermine or dispose of those freedoms.
Essentially, people should be free to say what they want except to say “no free expression of YOUR ideas”.
The paradox of a tolerant society is that it cannot tolerate the intolerant.
But I’m not a Muslim so they’re not my boss. It’s fair enough to prevent Muslims watching it if that’s how it has to be, but as I’m not constricted by the rules of that religion I don’t have to do what they tell me.
This would be like me expecting a Muslim visitor to not offend me by accepting the offer of a beer. It’s my custom, but it doesn’t have to apply to everyone.
It is worth pointing out that this was not a ban. It was just a “commercial” decision on one location. If you want to see the movie, you just have to go to another cinema.
Quite. There is a very vocal yet insidious Muslim minority that consistently tries to undermine the liberal values of the West, while seemingly enjoying the benefits of our society.
Today it’s this, tomorrow it’s something even less objectionable. You cannot appease pearl clutchers. They always want more.
Even monty pythons life of Brian, which was a far more controversial release in UK, was allowed to air despite Christian objections. Imagine being so backwards you’re over 40 years behind the times 😂
The paradox discussed here very much cuts the other way as well.
But that’s an inconvenient thought.
Movies that Christians have banned/tried to ban that I can remember..
The Life of Brian
Last Temptation of Christ
That Mel Gibson movie.
The claim that Roshnan Muhammed Salih has worked creating propaganda for Iran AND the Taliban doesnt make sense. Iran is shia and Taliban Sunni.
Then to say he’s pushing this narrative that. But its a shia film? Doesn’t really make sense to me. I can’t see how that would happen.
Some generalizations to ponder…
Offense is taken, not given….
All socialist leaders …. are millionaires……….
Fascism in it’s actual literal definition, is neither left, nor right, it simply dictates that the State is the most important entity….
Mussolini…. was a socialist….
The term, NAZI is a contraction of National Socialist….
In a vacuum, the social economic model fluctuates between arch capitalism and total communism… with societies oscillating through various permutations of those philosophies…
In 1975, Vietnam, having won their civil war, announced total and pure communism…. it failed appallingly and a loosely limited capitalism has been re-introduced since 1980….
Rather obviously so; I said as much myself.
The more interesting question here is over the role of the ‘community leader’ in British society. One can make a fair case that our last great war was fought against the ‘leadership principle’; our society is ostensibly structured around us being individuals in whom rests the power to elect our representatives (not delegate to delegates): where in all this is the space for the oft-touted ‘community leader’?
Aren’t we meant represent all cultures in the uk? I’m sure there’s plenty of people living near those cinemas who should of liked to of watch it had the cost of living no been so high.
More like community leaders showing how weak their belief system is that they must ban something than is at best mildly offensive.
All facts, which upsets the flakes no end …
Count them here with vote downs….
The Judean Peoples Front triumphs over The Peoples Front of Judea
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I wish a more nuanced debate about blasphemy in the UK could be had – as this post points out.
> The tenets of one religion are often offensive to believers of another, and to non-believers. There can be no freedom of religion without the freedom to give offence.
Is this not exactly what Rowan Atkinson et al have been saying in the face of various anti free speech laws?
I wonder what the guy meant by “You will have repercussions for your actions.” It does sound like a threat that one of his followers might decide to enact on some poor cinema worker.
Reminds me of Alan Partridge.
https://youtu.be/bArB3UCksNI
The philosopher Karl Popper wrote extensively on tolerance in society and his “paradox of intolerance” discussion is IMO very relevant here.
A tolerant society should not tolerate actions that aim to use the freedoms afforded to it, to undermine or dispose of those freedoms.
Essentially, people should be free to say what they want except to say “no free expression of YOUR ideas”.
The paradox of a tolerant society is that it cannot tolerate the intolerant.
But I’m not a Muslim so they’re not my boss. It’s fair enough to prevent Muslims watching it if that’s how it has to be, but as I’m not constricted by the rules of that religion I don’t have to do what they tell me.
This would be like me expecting a Muslim visitor to not offend me by accepting the offer of a beer. It’s my custom, but it doesn’t have to apply to everyone.
It is worth pointing out that this was not a ban. It was just a “commercial” decision on one location. If you want to see the movie, you just have to go to another cinema.
Quite. There is a very vocal yet insidious Muslim minority that consistently tries to undermine the liberal values of the West, while seemingly enjoying the benefits of our society.
Today it’s this, tomorrow it’s something even less objectionable. You cannot appease pearl clutchers. They always want more.
Even monty pythons life of Brian, which was a far more controversial release in UK, was allowed to air despite Christian objections. Imagine being so backwards you’re over 40 years behind the times 😂
The paradox discussed here very much cuts the other way as well.
But that’s an inconvenient thought.
Movies that Christians have banned/tried to ban that I can remember..
The Life of Brian
Last Temptation of Christ
That Mel Gibson movie.
The claim that Roshnan Muhammed Salih has worked creating propaganda for Iran AND the Taliban doesnt make sense. Iran is shia and Taliban Sunni.
Then to say he’s pushing this narrative that. But its a shia film? Doesn’t really make sense to me. I can’t see how that would happen.
Some generalizations to ponder…
Offense is taken, not given….
All socialist leaders …. are millionaires……….
Fascism in it’s actual literal definition, is neither left, nor right, it simply dictates that the State is the most important entity….
Mussolini…. was a socialist….
The term, NAZI is a contraction of National Socialist….
In a vacuum, the social economic model fluctuates between arch capitalism and total communism… with societies oscillating through various permutations of those philosophies…
In 1975, Vietnam, having won their civil war, announced total and pure communism…. it failed appallingly and a loosely limited capitalism has been re-introduced since 1980….
Rather obviously so; I said as much myself.
The more interesting question here is over the role of the ‘community leader’ in British society. One can make a fair case that our last great war was fought against the ‘leadership principle’; our society is ostensibly structured around us being individuals in whom rests the power to elect our representatives (not delegate to delegates): where in all this is the space for the oft-touted ‘community leader’?
Is it about this?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lady_of_Heaven
If so, it’s like Father Ted protesting a film here –
https://fatherted.fandom.com/wiki/The_Passion_of_Saint_Tibulus
I had never heard of this one…but have now
Aren’t we meant represent all cultures in the uk? I’m sure there’s plenty of people living near those cinemas who should of liked to of watch it had the cost of living no been so high.
More like community leaders showing how weak their belief system is that they must ban something than is at best mildly offensive.
All facts, which upsets the flakes no end …
Count them here with vote downs….
The Judean Peoples Front triumphs over The Peoples Front of Judea
Down with this sort of thing!