And it’ll be some other delay after that, and another after that.
Ffs just do something, literally anything. It’s ynbearable how bad its gotten and there is no end in sight. They need drastic action and quickly or else there is going to be another decade of this
*Shocked pikachu*
As the year goes on and inflation spikes, they’ll run around looking for a few quid to give to pensioners for fuel etc instead of realizing now that if they tax these homes, more might go on the market and rents will come down and if that doesn’t happen, they’ll have the tax to spend to alleviate the inflation costs
We had the spiel back in the bust when they were trying to figure out how many empties there were, but at least we’ve eircodes since then. They have zero interest in transparency in the housing market, too many vested interests.
Not going to make a huge difference anyway. Going by the vacant properties around here most of them are in disrepair.
At this point we’d be better at sorting this ourselves if we had a fecking revolution. It’d be quicker at least.
If the risk is under-measurement then introduce it as-is right now and add electricity measurement later as a data point later to catch more.
If the risk is over measuring vacancies then allow electricity bills as a basis for an appeal. I guess the concern there then is right-sizing the staff for the department due to increased appeals but sure look that shouldn’t be stopping them.
This will only incentivise people whom have a vacant property to waste electricity.
Ireland and delay perfectly go together
I live in the countryside and there’s like 4 or 5 empty houses near me. One or two might have someone in them for one week a year.
But most of them have no one in them.
Surely you introduce it, use the data sets that you can stand over supported by self declaration (for what worth..) and then improve detection measures over time?
Sure it can’t be fixed overnight lads!
Time for vacant property owners to move their mining rigs to the vacant properties then- a win-win for them.
Why is governments answer to everything a tax? Why not look at why building is lagging so far behind population growth and address that?
Just register me down now as one of the people who said this wouldn’t help one iota in advance. I don’t want anyone coming back and saying “hindsight this” or “no-one could predict that”.
Most of the vacants are either legally unlivable and you’d have a people squealing about having to live in slums or they’re in remote places that people don’t want to live.
Just fucking tax then and if its an error let the affected party sort it out
There were 30k homed vacant in Dublin on census night. Of the 30k:
4k were up for sale
5k were getting renovated
6k were vacant because the owner had either moved into full time care or had recently died
1k were new builds that were waiting to be occupied
1k were social housing units owned/operated/managed by the State
​
6k rentals were vacant for reasons unknow, they could fit in one of the above categories but the reason for vacancy couldn’t be determined. There is always going to be churn where someone moves out of a rental and someone else moves in, you have to have some level of vacancy for renting to be possible. A vacant property tax is not some silver bullet, it just isn’t. This whole argument is starting to remind me of this of the ventilation yokies that were meant to solve Covid.
Now, downvote brigade assemble.
Get ready for a run on space heaters
They dont want a drop in house prices cause it may lead to negative equity for some and it will force their property developer friends to reduce rents.
They deliberatly faffed the vacant sites levy and now they are looking to fudge this tax.
This is their idealogy.
It’s not hard to leave a few things running. You could even control it remotely. They could have atleast figured out a way of using this without telling everyone.
This government and overall mentality is all about “considering” options but never coming with a solution. Why oh why we are so passive here
Fuck off stalling and just do it.
I don’t know why they can’t legislate for it and assess this particular measure later.
Owners will then just leave some lights on for ever and pay the €100-200 a month bill instead of the €whatever-thousands tax you are planning.
Owners will then just leave some lights on for ever and pay the €100-200 a month bill instead of the €whatever-thousands tax you are planning.
Grand in certain cases, but not some master stroke
So grow houses and Air bnbs will be safe enough then
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And it’ll be some other delay after that, and another after that.
Ffs just do something, literally anything. It’s ynbearable how bad its gotten and there is no end in sight. They need drastic action and quickly or else there is going to be another decade of this
*Shocked pikachu*
As the year goes on and inflation spikes, they’ll run around looking for a few quid to give to pensioners for fuel etc instead of realizing now that if they tax these homes, more might go on the market and rents will come down and if that doesn’t happen, they’ll have the tax to spend to alleviate the inflation costs
We had the spiel back in the bust when they were trying to figure out how many empties there were, but at least we’ve eircodes since then. They have zero interest in transparency in the housing market, too many vested interests.
Not going to make a huge difference anyway. Going by the vacant properties around here most of them are in disrepair.
At this point we’d be better at sorting this ourselves if we had a fecking revolution. It’d be quicker at least.
If the risk is under-measurement then introduce it as-is right now and add electricity measurement later as a data point later to catch more.
If the risk is over measuring vacancies then allow electricity bills as a basis for an appeal. I guess the concern there then is right-sizing the staff for the department due to increased appeals but sure look that shouldn’t be stopping them.
This will only incentivise people whom have a vacant property to waste electricity.
Ireland and delay perfectly go together
I live in the countryside and there’s like 4 or 5 empty houses near me. One or two might have someone in them for one week a year.
But most of them have no one in them.
Surely you introduce it, use the data sets that you can stand over supported by self declaration (for what worth..) and then improve detection measures over time?
Sure it can’t be fixed overnight lads!
Time for vacant property owners to move their mining rigs to the vacant properties then- a win-win for them.
Why is governments answer to everything a tax? Why not look at why building is lagging so far behind population growth and address that?
Just register me down now as one of the people who said this wouldn’t help one iota in advance. I don’t want anyone coming back and saying “hindsight this” or “no-one could predict that”.
Most of the vacants are either legally unlivable and you’d have a people squealing about having to live in slums or they’re in remote places that people don’t want to live.
Just fucking tax then and if its an error let the affected party sort it out
[There has been some interesting census data on vacant properties.](https://twitter.com/seamuscoffey/status/1540250805739159553) Focusing on Dublin, because it’s the area of highest demand:
There were 30k homed vacant in Dublin on census night. Of the 30k:
4k were up for sale
5k were getting renovated
6k were vacant because the owner had either moved into full time care or had recently died
1k were new builds that were waiting to be occupied
1k were social housing units owned/operated/managed by the State
​
6k rentals were vacant for reasons unknow, they could fit in one of the above categories but the reason for vacancy couldn’t be determined. There is always going to be churn where someone moves out of a rental and someone else moves in, you have to have some level of vacancy for renting to be possible. A vacant property tax is not some silver bullet, it just isn’t. This whole argument is starting to remind me of this of the ventilation yokies that were meant to solve Covid.
Now, downvote brigade assemble.
Get ready for a run on space heaters
They dont want a drop in house prices cause it may lead to negative equity for some and it will force their property developer friends to reduce rents.
They deliberatly faffed the vacant sites levy and now they are looking to fudge this tax.
This is their idealogy.
It’s not hard to leave a few things running. You could even control it remotely. They could have atleast figured out a way of using this without telling everyone.
This government and overall mentality is all about “considering” options but never coming with a solution. Why oh why we are so passive here
Fuck off stalling and just do it.
I don’t know why they can’t legislate for it and assess this particular measure later.
Owners will then just leave some lights on for ever and pay the €100-200 a month bill instead of the €whatever-thousands tax you are planning.
Owners will then just leave some lights on for ever and pay the €100-200 a month bill instead of the €whatever-thousands tax you are planning.
Grand in certain cases, but not some master stroke
So grow houses and Air bnbs will be safe enough then