> According to the latest figures, as recorded in the census this year, 166,752 were recorded as vacant in the State – a fall of 9% on 2016 numbers.
A fall in vacancies compared to 2016 but much higher than the estimates of 137,000 vacancies that was mentioned this year.
It is magnitudes higher than what Paschal Donohoe had said only a few weeks ago. He was using figures received by Revenue on owners self reporting vacancies for taxation.
Sorry, why can’t these just be compulsory purchased?
Vacant properties is a very loose term. The majority of these properties are in rural areas and need extensive work to be habitable.
The majority of these are not in cities (especially Dublin), its disingenuous to suggest that most of these properties are in an way suitable to house people. Also people on housing lists often do not want to live in the areas where these houses are..
There are solutions to the housing crises. But we won’t get them with this lot, I don’t know if sinn fein is the answer but I know what I’ll get with ff/fg.
#TAX THE FUCK OUT OF THEM
Sizeable vacancy tax needed. That increases every year the property is vacant.
Lots of them are derelict or in the middle of nowhere.
There is no magic solution to the housing crisis which involves derelict houses or extra tax. We need to build more apartments in our cities. Not houses, not apartments in the suburbs, we need to build density in our city centres. Neither do we need more “family homes” and endless sprawl, we need Irish people to buy apartments and live in them (and in fairness I think the look-down-your-nose thing towards apartments is lifting). More supply is the only thing which will relieve the pressure.
The Irish Times published a suspiciously pro vacant property opinion piece masquerading as news.
> Taxing vacant property out of existence make no sense and will only worsen inflationary pressures
**Written by John McCartney director of policy at BNP Paribas Real Estate Ireland.**
So how do we get the addresses? Mass squatting anyone?
Doe’s this include the house down the road from me that has grass growing out of the walls, roof has collapsed on one side and hasn’t been lived in for about 22 years? Because the only way it’ll become a valid habitable home is by being knocked and rebuilt.
While technically vacant, its hardly worth counting because it’ll be in no way helpful in the next 10 years
>Abandoned farmhouses were almost non-existent in urban areas and more common in rural areas such as Leitrim (17%) and Sligo (16%).
Fucking hell, what a discovery
We live in cowboy land
Hmmm. Maybe these vacant properties could be used for something? 🤔
We had apologists on here a few weeks ago saying this vacant property issue was completly overblown and not an answer to our current problems.
Lads, whats the excuse today? Where are ye?
How many of these properties are owned by local councils? There’s at least 6 vacant council houses up the road from me – definitely not privately owned. They’ve been shuttered for years. Why not squat in them?
Just say 50% of these appeared for sale over the next 6 to 9 months.
How mich would it affect prices?
And if they fell would many who bought in the last year be in negative equity?
I tried to buy an abandoned property in Dublin 3 years back. Was told by the realestate agent it has already gone Sale Agreed. It still shows as Sale Agreed with nothing on the purchase price register 3 years later. Still abandoned and untouched.
I wonder if keeping it in some fake Sale Agreed state skirts the vacant sites levy.
Is it a crazy idea to adjust real estate sale and renting costs based on cost of living data?
Woo! This is great news!
I love how we have many ways to fix the problem but we just wont do it.
Its grand…
Shame on Ireland and the greediness
Vacant properties is just a distraction, not the root cause of the problem and certainly not the solution.
No figures for empty office buildings as if FG/FF would ever anger their corporate landlords.
Not sure why so many people on here using anything to defend empty houses.
Vacant doesn’t mean what most of us would consider vacant. They have heavily caveated that.
>Senior Statistician Cormac Halpin said: “A dwelling is classed as vacant by census enumerators if it is unoccupied for a short or long period around Census night.
>”For example, it may be unoccupied because it is up for sale or rent, under renovation, or if the owner has passed away, or is in a nursing home.”
How have they determined that they are in livable conditions.
Sure they are all airbnbs.
We should focus our attention on building social housing instead of worrying about vacant housing.
We already put out two schemes designed to gather vacant homes for social housing, the Repair and Leasing Scheme and the Buy and Renew Scheme. Both have failed, despite being in operation since 2016/2017. The Repair and Lease Scheme brought in just 279 units since 2017, the Buy and Renew scheme brought in just 716 units since 2016. Of those 716 units, just 107 are in Dublin city, Cork city or Galway city where housing is badly needed. These schemes don’t work.
The suggestion that there is plenty of housing in Ireland that is “going to waste” slows down the process of building social housing units. This was a key pillar (one of four or five) in Rebuilding Ireland and it was a mistake.
Taxing vacant housing and trying to buy vacant housing will yield poor results, as it has yielded poor results in the past. We should focus our efforts on building social housing.
Times perfect to occupy them then , stay there as long as you can, if the shades come just slip away. There’s probably a beautiful apartment just waiting for your boot on the lock!
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And yet the right wing establishment still assert that the housing crisis is a problem of supply, all so they can continue giving subsidies to property developers and vulture funds. Like surely it has to be significantly cheaper to refurbish existing properties than building from scratch, sure some of these properties may be in areas where the demand is less but the amount of boarded up houses in estates is significant, yet no effort is being make to bring these back on line, why? Because property developers can’t get their cut that way 😒
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> According to the latest figures, as recorded in the census this year, 166,752 were recorded as vacant in the State – a fall of 9% on 2016 numbers.
A fall in vacancies compared to 2016 but much higher than the estimates of 137,000 vacancies that was mentioned this year.
It is magnitudes higher than what Paschal Donohoe had said only a few weeks ago. He was using figures received by Revenue on owners self reporting vacancies for taxation.
Sorry, why can’t these just be compulsory purchased?
Vacant properties is a very loose term. The majority of these properties are in rural areas and need extensive work to be habitable.
The majority of these are not in cities (especially Dublin), its disingenuous to suggest that most of these properties are in an way suitable to house people. Also people on housing lists often do not want to live in the areas where these houses are..
There are solutions to the housing crises. But we won’t get them with this lot, I don’t know if sinn fein is the answer but I know what I’ll get with ff/fg.
#TAX THE FUCK OUT OF THEM
Sizeable vacancy tax needed. That increases every year the property is vacant.
Lots of them are derelict or in the middle of nowhere.
There is no magic solution to the housing crisis which involves derelict houses or extra tax. We need to build more apartments in our cities. Not houses, not apartments in the suburbs, we need to build density in our city centres. Neither do we need more “family homes” and endless sprawl, we need Irish people to buy apartments and live in them (and in fairness I think the look-down-your-nose thing towards apartments is lifting). More supply is the only thing which will relieve the pressure.
The Irish Times published a suspiciously pro vacant property opinion piece masquerading as news.
> Taxing vacant property out of existence make no sense and will only worsen inflationary pressures
**Written by John McCartney director of policy at BNP Paribas Real Estate Ireland.**
[Link if you want to get angry](https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/2022/06/20/taxing-vacant-property-out-of-existence-make-no-sense-and-will-only-worsen-inflationary-pressures/)
So how do we get the addresses? Mass squatting anyone?
Doe’s this include the house down the road from me that has grass growing out of the walls, roof has collapsed on one side and hasn’t been lived in for about 22 years? Because the only way it’ll become a valid habitable home is by being knocked and rebuilt.
While technically vacant, its hardly worth counting because it’ll be in no way helpful in the next 10 years
>Abandoned farmhouses were almost non-existent in urban areas and more common in rural areas such as Leitrim (17%) and Sligo (16%).
Fucking hell, what a discovery
We live in cowboy land
Hmmm. Maybe these vacant properties could be used for something? 🤔
We had apologists on here a few weeks ago saying this vacant property issue was completly overblown and not an answer to our current problems.
Lads, whats the excuse today? Where are ye?
How many of these properties are owned by local councils? There’s at least 6 vacant council houses up the road from me – definitely not privately owned. They’ve been shuttered for years. Why not squat in them?
Just say 50% of these appeared for sale over the next 6 to 9 months.
How mich would it affect prices?
And if they fell would many who bought in the last year be in negative equity?
I tried to buy an abandoned property in Dublin 3 years back. Was told by the realestate agent it has already gone Sale Agreed. It still shows as Sale Agreed with nothing on the purchase price register 3 years later. Still abandoned and untouched.
I wonder if keeping it in some fake Sale Agreed state skirts the vacant sites levy.
Is it a crazy idea to adjust real estate sale and renting costs based on cost of living data?
Woo! This is great news!
I love how we have many ways to fix the problem but we just wont do it.
Its grand…
Shame on Ireland and the greediness
Vacant properties is just a distraction, not the root cause of the problem and certainly not the solution.
No figures for empty office buildings as if FG/FF would ever anger their corporate landlords.
Not sure why so many people on here using anything to defend empty houses.
Vacant doesn’t mean what most of us would consider vacant. They have heavily caveated that.
>Senior Statistician Cormac Halpin said: “A dwelling is classed as vacant by census enumerators if it is unoccupied for a short or long period around Census night.
>”For example, it may be unoccupied because it is up for sale or rent, under renovation, or if the owner has passed away, or is in a nursing home.”
https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2022/0623/1306398-census/
How have they determined that they are in livable conditions.
Sure they are all airbnbs.
We should focus our attention on building social housing instead of worrying about vacant housing.
We already put out two schemes designed to gather vacant homes for social housing, the Repair and Leasing Scheme and the Buy and Renew Scheme. Both have failed, despite being in operation since 2016/2017. The Repair and Lease Scheme brought in just 279 units since 2017, the Buy and Renew scheme brought in just 716 units since 2016. Of those 716 units, just 107 are in Dublin city, Cork city or Galway city where housing is badly needed. These schemes don’t work.
The suggestion that there is plenty of housing in Ireland that is “going to waste” slows down the process of building social housing units. This was a key pillar (one of four or five) in Rebuilding Ireland and it was a mistake.
Taxing vacant housing and trying to buy vacant housing will yield poor results, as it has yielded poor results in the past. We should focus our efforts on building social housing.
Times perfect to occupy them then , stay there as long as you can, if the shades come just slip away. There’s probably a beautiful apartment just waiting for your boot on the lock!
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And yet the right wing establishment still assert that the housing crisis is a problem of supply, all so they can continue giving subsidies to property developers and vulture funds. Like surely it has to be significantly cheaper to refurbish existing properties than building from scratch, sure some of these properties may be in areas where the demand is less but the amount of boarded up houses in estates is significant, yet no effort is being make to bring these back on line, why? Because property developers can’t get their cut that way 😒
Feckin hell