This really got me thinking. We should really unite and publicly stand up against this sort of behavior together (re: Blaarmeersen, …)
This really got me thinking. We should really unite and publicly stand up against this sort of behavior together (re: Blaarmeersen, …)
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For non-Flemish speakers: “We are the first generation where a 14-year-old can verbally abuse a tram driver while 20 adults try their best to look outside”
Except that it is 20 14-year-olds and 1 adult.
Just look at the guy who got stabbed in the pre-metro of Antwerp for speaking up
Look, as long as no one is in physical danger I won’t be interfering. As an adult you can easily end up in a situation you don’t want to be in.
Well, I don’t want to be knived. And in Belgium it’s common that if for example, you knock the young kid down, you get jailed instead of the youngster . And everything is filmed, that sucks too
No, don’t want to get stabbed.
This is the typical mentality of Belgians: mind your own business, don’t get involved in a conflict unless absolutely necessary
This is also the first generation to live in a world where practically every kid who does that has a knife.
Some local kid misbehaving, sure i ll reprimand him.
20 kids from areas where you know its common to carry a knife, no thanks.
Its amazing how even a renowned psychiatrist thinks he is merely up against some naughty kiddos. Factcheck: these are drug criminals and they act as such also (should also go to court as adults).
I really am sick and tired of people pretending like things used to be so much better and that only *these days* it’s sooooooooo bad.
Especially when it involves boomers complaining about how much the younger generation sucks and is lazy. **Every single generation** complains about young people once they’re old. It always involves a lot of romanticizing of their own youth while exaggerating the current state of things.
Metric after metric shows that things are better than ever. The only metric that doesn’t show that is wealth. Millennials and especially Gen Z will be the first generations in ages that won’t have more wealth than their parents. And guess where all the wealth is? With boomers who complain about young people.
Belgian solution: just get rid of the trams. You can’t have incidents on trams if there are no trams
I don’t think this was ever different.
mja, zij doen iets, lopen weg en geen gevolgen.ik of een andere mens doet iets, en je krijgt een pv voor weetikveelwat. tuurlijk gaat niemand iets doet, je heb alles te verliezen, en niets te winnen.
als “grote” gast kan ik makkelijk een individue aanspreken op wangedrag, denk verkeer ofzo. dan kijken ze je eerst aan of ze u aankunnen, en gaan dan maar verder. dan krijg je een belediging naar u hoofd of ne vinger, who cares e. maar zo ne hoop gasten samen, steekt elkaar masaal op. als het u job nie is, ga je het er niet voor overhebben.
gewoon ouders verplichten om samen met hun kind gemeenschapsdienst te doen. nul tolerantie voor verbale en fysieke agressie vanaf 12 jaar.
in Duitsland meen ik mij te herinneren dat een rechter zowel vader als zoon had gestraft omwille dat zoon een bus chauffeur had bedreigd en er op had gespuugd. Zoon was 16 en vond dat hij te zwaar werd aangepakt om voor de rechter te verschijnen. Vader vond dat ook. Rechter besloot dan ze beiden een gemeenschapsdienst te doen verrichten hele zomer lang, na werkuren van de papa. Die was dus echt niet happig en vroeg of hij nog op vakantie mocht. Rechter zei van nope. Je kan al de lange gezichten inbeelden…. Hij ging in beroep maar daar verloor hij ook.
Hier mogen ze actief ouders ook inmengen in het straffen van hun kinderen. Want vele ouders denken (wat normaal is) dat hun kinderen heilige sinten zijn. Een harde reality check is echt nodig.
Big take: flamands are gonna flamand. Here in bxl I see mama’s speak up and literally ground those little shits in the metro and busses. Im sure walloons act the same. The flemish mentality seems to be one to look away in general (look at our climate crisis, who btw has tremendous effects on socio-eco state of those kids) dont have to take the bus to your private pool.
Edit: we have a term for it here in bxl, “victime”. Dont be one.
Was on a late train once. Couple seats ahead of me two youngsters were sitting and one seemed to be picking on the other one. No retaliation, it seemed like teasing (some light punches), but like just too harsh you know? Anyways, I didnt like it but didnt interfere as it wasnt too severe. Boys are boys after all.
Victim moves places, to a seat next to me, bully follows a minute later, and starts to hit the other guy. Not super hard but harder and faster than before, he was even lying on the other guy. Girls a couple seats further (they were next to where they were sitting first) were properly pretending not to have seen all of this… I just stood up, pulled the bully of his victim (by his manbag, of course he had that), said that’s enough, looked him in the eye and went back to my seat. Dude didnt know what to do but he stopped hitting and they continued talking.
Mind you i’m 1m75 and weigh 56kg, i’m no big guy but i’m low key proud of myself for doing this. The bully wasn’t too big either otherwise I wouldnt have intervened.
What a nice looking quote! I only wish it wasn’t so reductionist, and frankly, untrue.
(ex store owner)
15 year old kid was caught stealing, so i confront him and tell him cops are on there ways.
kid snaps and starts to yell and throw stuff…
1 slap and the kid stopped and calmed down…
I almost got in trouble with the cops and his parents because i slapped him…
lucky for me, I got a good lawyer.
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And that’s why i no longer care when kids act up…
In conclusion: we deserve this whole situation. We’re too full of fear to stand up for what’s right and fail to unite and defend our society against… teenagers. The reason they do this shit is because they know they can get away with it.
‘Meh knives’. As if there are no knives in other countries. Or guns or much worse.
What happened in the Blaarmeersen btw
When societies become more soft/ more tolerable; situations like these become more normalized.
I’m not making any excuses for violence whatsoever, but shouldn’t we maybe not figure out why these kids are acting this way? And yes, i heard bad parenting, but is that the kids fault? And what’s bad parenting for you? For some it’s just not acting up when the kid does something, but what if the parents are fysically abusive and this is what the kids see and learn, or addicted to drugs, alcohol, gambling,… What if the parent has some own deep mental issues and the kid knows no other way to survive than that.. or they work all day round to make ends meet..
Again, not making any excuses.. i’m absolutly against any form of violence.. but maybe a part of the solution is to see why these young adults are that violent instead of “normal” (lack of words) young adults… idk, just thinking out loud
Yeah whenever you bring up that you should just smack the shit out of little fucktards like that, you get labled as a child abuser here ..
I am Dutch originally but live in Belgium. If this happened in the Netherlands, we would all say something to the bastard that would yell at the person in function.
Today (visiting my fam) someone was calling with someone on speaker in the bus (really annoying). The busdriver asked the person in question via the voice over to stop being so annoying, lmao. I don’t see that happen in Belgium because Belgians are way more into their own “thing” and minding their own business. Almost sometimes as if they are afraid to be called noisy when you say something to someone. Am I wrong in seeing it like this?
I love the belgians tho, they are nice as soon as you get to know them. They love a drink and a good party 🙂
Die 20 volwassenen krijgen ook liefst geen mes tussen hun ribben.
As always, lots of internet heroes in the comments yet strangely enough I never see any of you out there when these incidents happen (and they happen every fucking day).
True story and for the people saying this has been going on for ages…no it is not. It is only getting worse. Mind you, Blaarmeersen. When I was younger it was never like that. And why? Social media play a big part in this. Doing ‘cool’ stuff posting it on the internet to get some lame ass brag rights. As soon it is a 1v1 they run away.
No I wouldn’t intervene for fear of escalation to physical violence, the 14y is likely not much of a threat unless he is concealing a knife,
but on the legal side of things the board is so heavily stacked against me you would need to be a gambler to even take the odds for little to no reward, while the child at worst get’s a slap on the wrist
The best strategy is to not play.
Excuse you? Ik ben momenteel 31,toen ik 14 was heb ik een bende snotneuzen van mijn leeftijd een flik in elkaar zien slaan temidden het drukste kruispunt van Waregem in volle ochtendspits. Dit gedrag is écht niet recent ontstaan,noch is het specifiek “onze” generatie die het zomaar laat passeren. Het is minstens 10 jaar gaande,en het is exact de generatie waaruit die zielenknijper afkomstig is die ons geleerd heeft van de andere kant uit te kijken.
In my eyes, it’s more a critique of what society became than the people themselves (albeit both are linked)…
Because it’s society that often says “you should be always nice and patient with children at any costs” and it feels weird to have to go against that when the representatives of society can’t/dont do it.
Because the 14 years old of this article simply don’t hear people like you anymore when you try to reason with him.
Because you can easily be accused of a lot of different things if you try to intervene and nobody will care about how it could impact you.
Because if your intervention does not go perfectly well, you’ll have other people intervene against you (you typically see that in nearly all “justice served” video or the like on Reddit).
Because you might end up having more legal responsabilities in case of issues in the eyes of the law than the 14 years old causing the initial hindrance.
But it does seem there’s a change in this domain, since there recently was an [article](https://www.rtl.be/info/video/814688.aspx) about this (and the concept of “enfant roi”) and I was quite surprised to read such a thing now.
My pro tip: get a malinois. Train it to be an IPO dog. Then take it with you everywhere. Bard on command, they’ll calm down real quick.
The problem is these people are not being punished at all, and they know it. Every single week there’s another incident.
Certain immigrant groups certainly have less respect
Here’s an advice that I’ve never had to try out but sounds interesting: if you’re ever about to do be the first one to act, start by looking at the crowd and finding at least one other person who looks (physically) able to help. If the situation starts turning to shit, you turn to that person, point the finger to them and tell them “you, come and help me.”
Supposedly, when one is being singled out, they will feel involved and come to help.
I would come in between the 2 parties and try to make peace. If the agression still continues then the bus driver could stop the bus to let the agressor exit. If there are too many people at once, one could call the police.
To be honest this sounds a lot like the “in mijne tijd was alles beter” I’ve heard a billion times
Yet they don’t care that back in their day, for example when a woman was abused, raped,… no one cared, they were just told to shut up. Nowadays at least we care about real problems. I’m not saying what happened isn’t bad, and I definitely agree it should’ve never just happened like that, but these things are rare events. I’ve taken public transport probably hundreds of times now and never seen anything worse than a few annoying noisy people playing music.
If everything really was getting worse and worse, I’d be shitting myself because I’m 21 so I have many many decades to go. But I’m not worried because in general I’m seeing a big improvement in mindset with teens, who are realising they have a responsibility in this country and on this planet.