Be very careful about statistics and definitions. It’s like unemployment, it really means different things between countries.
I think that this map is far more likely to indicate where people feel comfortable, in relative terms… reporting rape and where people who have been raped know reporting it either wont get anywhere, will hurt them even more, or they can’t afford a lawyer.
I wouldn’t really trust something like this, there’s so many victims that don’t report it and don’t tell anyone about it.
The fuck happened to Italy on that map?
It also depends on what the data is based on. If cases reported or sentences by judges.
Cos I’ve seen lots of Spanish rape cases being dismissed by macho/catho judges (no offence to anyone here, and if you take offence then maybe you are one of those).
The real problems (passed the actual rapes) is a cultural problem and how rapes are viewed and treated.
Still very sad to see such high numbers all across Europe
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REPORTED rapes
Si es que las cosas, sin estar bien, no están tan mal. Un poco de optimismo chavales y a portarse bien!
Oh yeah Balkan women don’t get raped…. More like they don’t admit it
You really have to be careful about how you interpret this, as a Norwegian I remember this topic coming up in the media about how come the Nordics countries where so high in the rape statistics, and it pretty much boils down to rape or sexual assault being more likely to be reported to the authorities thus given the impression that rape is more frequent there than other countries.
In reality the definition of rape is different for each country.
What does include in Spain? Sexual agression+rape?
What does include in Sweden? Molesting?
(Sweden changed the law to adjust the de crime of rape to not require force or intimidation, it only requires lack of consent, which in Spain is considered another crime by name: abuso)
nos estamos quedando atras,cosa que me gusta
this is actually bad news. high reported rapes means victims are confident to come out and report it because they trust the police and legal system
if you check the stats for countries like iran and saudi arabia the rate is 0
Wtf iceland?
Reading the comments… Yeah it’s just Spain’s fault for having a lower rate.
You guys are in denial for living in shitholes with any rate above +5
Also people misinforming by saying “I’ve seen several ” Macho” Judges in Spain do blah blah blah” You haven’t seen shit and you are not providing anything.
Ese mapa solo sirve para ver en que país la gente tiene más confianza en la policía.
No todos los casos de violaciones se denuncian (principalmente pq la policía siempre te dice que no sirve de nada y las consecuencias de denunciar son peores para la víctima que para el violador)
Cada país tiene una definición diferente de violación.
Just means it doesn’t get reported as much in Spain. Sadly.
those are reported rapes, and even tho we have one of the lowest(i wrote lowest first mb mb) right now its nothing to be proud of. This shoud never be a stadistic in the first place.
Es complicado analizar una gráfica sin el estudio que hay detrás. Hay que tener en cuenta que las violaciones pueden significar cosas muy diferentes dependiendo del país en el que nos encontremos, sus leyes y el espaciosidad temporal del que hablemos. Por poner un ejemplo, en el año de la gráfica (2017), casos como el de la Manada, no contarían como violacion si nos regimos únicamente por lo indicado en el código penal. Actualmente, en cambio, si lo haría.
Sería bueno poder saber que datos se han usado y cuales son las fuentes antes de sacar una u otra conclusión. Es lo que tienen las gráficas, en internet quedan muy bonitas pero sin el estudio que las respalda hay que cogerlas con pinzas.
Hi! I study criminology and we literally got this map in class as an example why you can’t just compare different crime rates between countries.
This is about reported rape, not all rape. And not just that, some countries only report rape when they have actually found the offender. Which is a very small percentage of course.
Also in countries like Sweden they count a lot more forms of behaviour as rape.
Point is, don’t think this map actually shows the rate of rape in a country, because it doesn’t. It’s very misleading actually.
Am I missing something? The image doesn’t say rape, it says crime.
Really? I thought that out rate be high too high.
The data for Bosnia is not accurate at all. The rapes are rarely reported here.
wow, the countries with the highest percentages coincide with those that increased their number of Buddhists in the last decades
Really what this means is it’s easier to report rapes in the UK.
Spain is definitely not low on actual rape cases, just reported.
This is a bad map for the reasons everyone else has already stated. A far better metric is the percentage of women who claim to have been raped according to surveys.
As this article notes, 5% of Spanish women make this claim, as opposed to countries such as Latvia, Bulgaria, Netherlands, and Sweden, where 10% or more make such a claim.
Numbers on sexual harassment hold up similarly, and roughly half the incidence of the worst-affected countries:
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Be very careful about statistics and definitions. It’s like unemployment, it really means different things between countries.
I think that this map is far more likely to indicate where people feel comfortable, in relative terms… reporting rape and where people who have been raped know reporting it either wont get anywhere, will hurt them even more, or they can’t afford a lawyer.
I wouldn’t really trust something like this, there’s so many victims that don’t report it and don’t tell anyone about it.
The fuck happened to Italy on that map?
It also depends on what the data is based on. If cases reported or sentences by judges.
Cos I’ve seen lots of Spanish rape cases being dismissed by macho/catho judges (no offence to anyone here, and if you take offence then maybe you are one of those).
The real problems (passed the actual rapes) is a cultural problem and how rapes are viewed and treated.
Still very sad to see such high numbers all across Europe
[removed]
REPORTED rapes
Si es que las cosas, sin estar bien, no están tan mal. Un poco de optimismo chavales y a portarse bien!
Oh yeah Balkan women don’t get raped…. More like they don’t admit it
You really have to be careful about how you interpret this, as a Norwegian I remember this topic coming up in the media about how come the Nordics countries where so high in the rape statistics, and it pretty much boils down to rape or sexual assault being more likely to be reported to the authorities thus given the impression that rape is more frequent there than other countries.
In reality the definition of rape is different for each country.
What does include in Spain? Sexual agression+rape?
What does include in Sweden? Molesting?
(Sweden changed the law to adjust the de crime of rape to not require force or intimidation, it only requires lack of consent, which in Spain is considered another crime by name: abuso)
nos estamos quedando atras,cosa que me gusta
this is actually bad news. high reported rapes means victims are confident to come out and report it because they trust the police and legal system
if you check the stats for countries like iran and saudi arabia the rate is 0
Wtf iceland?
Reading the comments… Yeah it’s just Spain’s fault for having a lower rate.
You guys are in denial for living in shitholes with any rate above +5
Also people misinforming by saying “I’ve seen several ” Macho” Judges in Spain do blah blah blah” You haven’t seen shit and you are not providing anything.
Ese mapa solo sirve para ver en que país la gente tiene más confianza en la policía.
No todos los casos de violaciones se denuncian (principalmente pq la policía siempre te dice que no sirve de nada y las consecuencias de denunciar son peores para la víctima que para el violador)
Cada país tiene una definición diferente de violación.
Just means it doesn’t get reported as much in Spain. Sadly.
those are reported rapes, and even tho we have one of the lowest(i wrote lowest first mb mb) right now its nothing to be proud of. This shoud never be a stadistic in the first place.
Es complicado analizar una gráfica sin el estudio que hay detrás. Hay que tener en cuenta que las violaciones pueden significar cosas muy diferentes dependiendo del país en el que nos encontremos, sus leyes y el espaciosidad temporal del que hablemos. Por poner un ejemplo, en el año de la gráfica (2017), casos como el de la Manada, no contarían como violacion si nos regimos únicamente por lo indicado en el código penal. Actualmente, en cambio, si lo haría.
Sería bueno poder saber que datos se han usado y cuales son las fuentes antes de sacar una u otra conclusión. Es lo que tienen las gráficas, en internet quedan muy bonitas pero sin el estudio que las respalda hay que cogerlas con pinzas.
I mean [this research](https://www.statista.com/statistics/1072770/number-of-rapes-in-europe/) is 3 years old, but I’d prefer it vs being from 2017
Hi! I study criminology and we literally got this map in class as an example why you can’t just compare different crime rates between countries.
This is about reported rape, not all rape. And not just that, some countries only report rape when they have actually found the offender. Which is a very small percentage of course.
Also in countries like Sweden they count a lot more forms of behaviour as rape.
Point is, don’t think this map actually shows the rate of rape in a country, because it doesn’t. It’s very misleading actually.
Am I missing something? The image doesn’t say rape, it says crime.
Really? I thought that out rate be high too high.
The data for Bosnia is not accurate at all. The rapes are rarely reported here.
wow, the countries with the highest percentages coincide with those that increased their number of Buddhists in the last decades
Really what this means is it’s easier to report rapes in the UK.
Spain is definitely not low on actual rape cases, just reported.
This is a bad map for the reasons everyone else has already stated. A far better metric is the percentage of women who claim to have been raped according to surveys.
https://bra.se/bra-in-english/home/news-from-bra/archive/news/2020-09-30-difficult-to-compare-rape-statistics-in-european-countries.html
As this article notes, 5% of Spanish women make this claim, as opposed to countries such as Latvia, Bulgaria, Netherlands, and Sweden, where 10% or more make such a claim.
Numbers on sexual harassment hold up similarly, and roughly half the incidence of the worst-affected countries:
https://fra.europa.eu/sites/default/files/fra-2014-vaw-survey-at-a-glance-oct14_en.pdf
It’s possible to hold up Spain’s apparent successes here without dishonest or misrepresentative use of data.