Misschien is de oplossing om ITSME te nationaliseren?
Ik vind het al gek dat dat niet het geval is. Dit is volgens mij de belangrijkste applicatie om als burger aan u overheidszaken te geraken.
Is it THAT bad that Itsme is built by a private company? As long as you have very clearly defined rules in the contract it should be fine. Banks are private organizations, so is Bancontact but we can’t live without those.
Another clear example of MMichel not understanding technology at all. This reads like a consultant sales pitch. For God sakes they already own 20% of itsme, and the others are mainly the banks that helped build it and they have absolutely no intention or any possible gain by selling.
And lol, their 20% participation is valued at 15 million, and this project will cost 15 million. Do they really believe the government can code is 5 times more efficiently than a dedicated tech startup? I really wonder which consultant will receive this contract…. And how hard they will fuck it up
A company I used to work for developed an application for government use. It was in use by a lot of different municipalities in Flanders. Then the Flanders government decided to develop their own system and share it for free with all municipalities.
The result? Lots of consultants got paid a lot of money, and a small technology company had to fire a bunch of people.
And from what I’ve heard they’re still doing this. Find something that’s in use by a lot of municipalities, and then develop an in-house replacement because it’s cheaper in the long run. ‘Surprisingly’ in the end it’s not cheaper and the result is worse than the original application.
Governments shouldn’t compete with private companies. If a solution already exists, find a way to get a good contract and stimulate innovation. And if it’s too expensive, go to their competitor and negotiate a better deal.
Dat wisten we in het begin ook al.
De kerndiscussie of we afhankelijk moeten worden van een privebedrijf voor digitale identificatie speelde toen precies minder een rol.
Intention-wise, best idea I’ve heard yet from MM. It’s insane that such a critical component in the government’s IT landscape is in private hands.
Execution-wise: very curious if the inhouse IT department of the government is capable of building their own version of it… Fun fact: Belgian Mobile ID also had to rely on tech consulting partners to build the itsme app.
Belgium was leading in the time of eID implementation. We unfortunately didn’t manage to capture the online era.
However, Itsme does a great job. And FPIM (federal gov.) is a shareholder, along with organisations it can put some form of pressure on (telco & finance being highly regulated), and government owning Proximus and a large part of BNPP.
This is a stupid move, we’re just wasting money. If it’s that crucial (which I believe), just raise the stakes of FPIM.
Although, let’s be honest, our government has a bad track record wrt this type of developments. They will not only have to build a new platform, but also maintain it, which will cost a multiple of the development costs.
TLDR: we’re going to waste money as there are better solutions to get more grip on the market (e.g. increase stake of FPIM in Itsme).
Onder Michel zijn nog dommere broer? Dat duurt 20 jaar om te ontwikkelen en gaat 400 miljoen kosten.
Even if the government develops its own app, it still needs to be developed by a physical person or team. Backdoors are always possible in every software.
>Maar de laatste weken doken hier en daar geruchten op over onvrede bij de overheid over de monopoliepositie en kostprijs van het systeem. Onder meer Frank Robben, de topman van de Kruispuntbank Sociale Zekerheid en het ICT-zwaargewicht bij de overheid, liet zich daar kritisch over uit.
Robben, who also runs SMALS, making a huge profit out of IT investments by the government, while delivering pretty consistent crap, thinks that Itsme is to expensive and has too much power? What is this, some r/nottheonion article?
I’m all for the government keeping in control of critical IT, but this is just Robben wanting to funnel more money into SMALS, and making the government even more reliant on that moneypit.
This is just baby Michel, looking for some kind of father figure because his daddy and big brother are no longer there to hold his hand, and Robben happily playing that role.
The state already owns 20% of Itsme, which is enough to influence what happens to it. The other 80% are owned by banks and telecom companies. Companies that need all kinds of licenses from the Belgian government so they are not going to do something stupid with it. There are about a million IT projects the Belgian government needs to urgently tackle. This is not one of them. This is ridiculous.
Hoe achterlijk is dit? Wie gaat de nieuwe ITSME bouwen dan? Een IT ambtenaar?
Nee, IT consultancy bedrijven zoals Cronos zullen al wel weer in hun handjes aan het wrijven zijn om hun juniors voor 10 jaar aan 1K per dag uit te sturen naar de overheid, gangsters.
Story time: About 9 years ago, we build a similar identification system in a bid for an undisclosed bank. We ended up on top of the list because of several security improvements and a decentralized model (blockchain). However, we lost the bid because our small company size (5ppl at the time) was considered an operational risk. The runner up was ITSME which got a lot of traction after that. #FML
How about they just buy the company instead?
Is itsme geen open identity implementatie? Ik geloof niet da ze da systeem van scratch gemaakt hebben.
Inb4 we need to use itsme and this new app in some weird back-and-forth tandem.
Things like Itsme work because it’s built by a company. A country like Belgium will just end up with a heavily fragmented and non functional product that costed way more, than what the Itsme creators are asking for.
Case and point, look at how long DigiD took the Netherlands to built, to still not be as good as Itsme is (10 years ago, you had to call a phone number, get paper codes sent by snail mail and all that shit).
Maar we hebben geen enkel probleem met onze elektriciteit en treinen aan privé bedrijven te geven. Bende idioten.
Nu werkt er eens iets goed. Gaan ze het vakkundig de nek omdraaien.
So first the push itsme onto everyone and then it’s not ‘good’ enough anymore. Trust in government diminished a bit, again.
Ik ga echt niet nog meer gegevens op een app zetten. Ik heb mijn ziel al verkocht aan facebook.
Er zijn al 10 verschillende opties om in te loggen op overheidswebsites, binnenkort 11?
To be honest I trust a private company like Itsme more to successfully and safely handle this app than our government.
Probleem is dat er niet voldoende overbetaalde zinloze politiekers en postjespakkers in raad van bestuur zit.
Know lots of people have had issues with ITSME, always worked fine with me. I have a proposal to the government. At every town hall, every major government building, install an ATM kind of machine machine(can even be outside). Not for money obviously.
You put in your eID, identify yourself with your pin, and it prints you a voucher/token code. Valid for 48/72 hours to identify you to various other apps that can take over authetification(google authenticator, etc…). Connections to these secondary apps need to be renewed every 6 months with a new token code.
Michel? Isn’t that the guy that doesn’t know what twitter is and neither knows how to park a car? If there’s one thing i’ve learned, it’s seeing how things turn to shit after the government gets involved.
Wait, hold on, itsme wasn’t entirely goverment-run this whole time?
When it’s the (at least to me) simplest way to access your extremely personal goverment-related documents?
I like itsme but it is so scary.
5 digits and an app and i can rule a lot of someones life.
Did’s, verifiable credentials using standards is the future. You can plug in any vdr ( verifiable data registry) backed by any blockchain eg ebsi. But i’d use a zero knowledge rollup as intermediary. Anything else is bullshit.
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Misschien is de oplossing om ITSME te nationaliseren?
Ik vind het al gek dat dat niet het geval is. Dit is volgens mij de belangrijkste applicatie om als burger aan u overheidszaken te geraken.
Is it THAT bad that Itsme is built by a private company? As long as you have very clearly defined rules in the contract it should be fine. Banks are private organizations, so is Bancontact but we can’t live without those.
Another clear example of MMichel not understanding technology at all. This reads like a consultant sales pitch. For God sakes they already own 20% of itsme, and the others are mainly the banks that helped build it and they have absolutely no intention or any possible gain by selling.
And lol, their 20% participation is valued at 15 million, and this project will cost 15 million. Do they really believe the government can code is 5 times more efficiently than a dedicated tech startup? I really wonder which consultant will receive this contract…. And how hard they will fuck it up
A company I used to work for developed an application for government use. It was in use by a lot of different municipalities in Flanders. Then the Flanders government decided to develop their own system and share it for free with all municipalities.
The result? Lots of consultants got paid a lot of money, and a small technology company had to fire a bunch of people.
And from what I’ve heard they’re still doing this. Find something that’s in use by a lot of municipalities, and then develop an in-house replacement because it’s cheaper in the long run. ‘Surprisingly’ in the end it’s not cheaper and the result is worse than the original application.
Governments shouldn’t compete with private companies. If a solution already exists, find a way to get a good contract and stimulate innovation. And if it’s too expensive, go to their competitor and negotiate a better deal.
Dat wisten we in het begin ook al.
De kerndiscussie of we afhankelijk moeten worden van een privebedrijf voor digitale identificatie speelde toen precies minder een rol.
Intention-wise, best idea I’ve heard yet from MM. It’s insane that such a critical component in the government’s IT landscape is in private hands.
Execution-wise: very curious if the inhouse IT department of the government is capable of building their own version of it… Fun fact: Belgian Mobile ID also had to rely on tech consulting partners to build the itsme app.
More money for SMALS?
Interesting read: https://www.computable.be/artikel/columns/security/7367825/5658341/blyaert-betwist-hello-itsme-youre-looking-for.html
Belgium was leading in the time of eID implementation. We unfortunately didn’t manage to capture the online era.
However, Itsme does a great job. And FPIM (federal gov.) is a shareholder, along with organisations it can put some form of pressure on (telco & finance being highly regulated), and government owning Proximus and a large part of BNPP.
This is a stupid move, we’re just wasting money. If it’s that crucial (which I believe), just raise the stakes of FPIM.
Although, let’s be honest, our government has a bad track record wrt this type of developments. They will not only have to build a new platform, but also maintain it, which will cost a multiple of the development costs.
TLDR: we’re going to waste money as there are better solutions to get more grip on the market (e.g. increase stake of FPIM in Itsme).
Onder Michel zijn nog dommere broer? Dat duurt 20 jaar om te ontwikkelen en gaat 400 miljoen kosten.
Even if the government develops its own app, it still needs to be developed by a physical person or team. Backdoors are always possible in every software.
>Maar de laatste weken doken hier en daar geruchten op over onvrede bij de overheid over de monopoliepositie en kostprijs van het systeem. Onder meer Frank Robben, de topman van de Kruispuntbank Sociale Zekerheid en het ICT-zwaargewicht bij de overheid, liet zich daar kritisch over uit.
Robben, who also runs SMALS, making a huge profit out of IT investments by the government, while delivering pretty consistent crap, thinks that Itsme is to expensive and has too much power? What is this, some r/nottheonion article?
I’m all for the government keeping in control of critical IT, but this is just Robben wanting to funnel more money into SMALS, and making the government even more reliant on that moneypit.
This is just baby Michel, looking for some kind of father figure because his daddy and big brother are no longer there to hold his hand, and Robben happily playing that role.
The state already owns 20% of Itsme, which is enough to influence what happens to it. The other 80% are owned by banks and telecom companies. Companies that need all kinds of licenses from the Belgian government so they are not going to do something stupid with it. There are about a million IT projects the Belgian government needs to urgently tackle. This is not one of them. This is ridiculous.
Hoe achterlijk is dit? Wie gaat de nieuwe ITSME bouwen dan? Een IT ambtenaar?
Nee, IT consultancy bedrijven zoals Cronos zullen al wel weer in hun handjes aan het wrijven zijn om hun juniors voor 10 jaar aan 1K per dag uit te sturen naar de overheid, gangsters.
Story time: About 9 years ago, we build a similar identification system in a bid for an undisclosed bank. We ended up on top of the list because of several security improvements and a decentralized model (blockchain). However, we lost the bid because our small company size (5ppl at the time) was considered an operational risk. The runner up was ITSME which got a lot of traction after that. #FML
How about they just buy the company instead?
Is itsme geen open identity implementatie? Ik geloof niet da ze da systeem van scratch gemaakt hebben.
Inb4 we need to use itsme and this new app in some weird back-and-forth tandem.
Things like Itsme work because it’s built by a company. A country like Belgium will just end up with a heavily fragmented and non functional product that costed way more, than what the Itsme creators are asking for.
Case and point, look at how long DigiD took the Netherlands to built, to still not be as good as Itsme is (10 years ago, you had to call a phone number, get paper codes sent by snail mail and all that shit).
Maar we hebben geen enkel probleem met onze elektriciteit en treinen aan privé bedrijven te geven. Bende idioten.
Nu werkt er eens iets goed. Gaan ze het vakkundig de nek omdraaien.
So first the push itsme onto everyone and then it’s not ‘good’ enough anymore. Trust in government diminished a bit, again.
Ik ga echt niet nog meer gegevens op een app zetten. Ik heb mijn ziel al verkocht aan facebook.
Er zijn al 10 verschillende opties om in te loggen op overheidswebsites, binnenkort 11?
[Semi relevante xkcd](https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/standards_2x.png)
To be honest I trust a private company like Itsme more to successfully and safely handle this app than our government.
Probleem is dat er niet voldoende overbetaalde zinloze politiekers en postjespakkers in raad van bestuur zit.
Know lots of people have had issues with ITSME, always worked fine with me. I have a proposal to the government. At every town hall, every major government building, install an ATM kind of machine machine(can even be outside). Not for money obviously.
You put in your eID, identify yourself with your pin, and it prints you a voucher/token code. Valid for 48/72 hours to identify you to various other apps that can take over authetification(google authenticator, etc…). Connections to these secondary apps need to be renewed every 6 months with a new token code.
Michel? Isn’t that the guy that doesn’t know what twitter is and neither knows how to park a car? If there’s one thing i’ve learned, it’s seeing how things turn to shit after the government gets involved.
Wait, hold on, itsme wasn’t entirely goverment-run this whole time?
When it’s the (at least to me) simplest way to access your extremely personal goverment-related documents?
I like itsme but it is so scary.
5 digits and an app and i can rule a lot of someones life.
Did’s, verifiable credentials using standards is the future. You can plug in any vdr ( verifiable data registry) backed by any blockchain eg ebsi. But i’d use a zero knowledge rollup as intermediary. Anything else is bullshit.