Do we have a more detailed idea of where The Pale would have extended into Kildare and Meath? Like, are we talking well past Naas and Kells?
Before the King of England had Dublin the Normans took it from the Vikings.
The Vikings of course established the city too.
Kind of wild that Dublin was always in the hands of “foreigners”
And all that that remains of the Earldom of Desmond is a hotel near Tralee
I came here to say Up Galway, Up Mayo! Then it was so interesting to read the links and ideas. Thank you
So the Burkes of Mayo aren’t Norman?
The locals are referred to as natives and the english “lords”.
the earldom of Naaaaavan
Any good book recommendations for the history of people in Ireland? Like along these lines.. what peoples were here first, who took over what, where, when, etc..
Is this where the phrase “beyond the pale” originated?
The Burkes in two seperate holdings would’ve been “de Burgh” originally right? What made them less anglo-norman/old English than some of the other lordships?
Always interested in this period. It’s poignant in Dundalk as it stood as the most famous “edge of the Pale” I believe because it received the most attacks of any Pale garrison, mostly from the Native Ulster clans.
Still somewhat of a culture of that in the area in a weird way, the Cooley and South Armagh and Monaghan men coming into town of a weekend, causing ruckus. Good fun.
Good to see both my parents’ names are on the Irish side – bow down ye anglo peasants.
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Do we have a more detailed idea of where The Pale would have extended into Kildare and Meath? Like, are we talking well past Naas and Kells?
Before the King of England had Dublin the Normans took it from the Vikings.
The Vikings of course established the city too.
Kind of wild that Dublin was always in the hands of “foreigners”
And all that that remains of the Earldom of Desmond is a hotel near Tralee
I came here to say Up Galway, Up Mayo! Then it was so interesting to read the links and ideas. Thank you
So the Burkes of Mayo aren’t Norman?
The locals are referred to as natives and the english “lords”.
the earldom of Naaaaavan
Any good book recommendations for the history of people in Ireland? Like along these lines.. what peoples were here first, who took over what, where, when, etc..
Is this where the phrase “beyond the pale” originated?
The Burkes in two seperate holdings would’ve been “de Burgh” originally right? What made them less anglo-norman/old English than some of the other lordships?
Always interested in this period. It’s poignant in Dundalk as it stood as the most famous “edge of the Pale” I believe because it received the most attacks of any Pale garrison, mostly from the Native Ulster clans.
Still somewhat of a culture of that in the area in a weird way, the Cooley and South Armagh and Monaghan men coming into town of a weekend, causing ruckus. Good fun.
Good to see both my parents’ names are on the Irish side – bow down ye anglo peasants.