I’d like to see some decent polling on whether or not traditional Labour voters approve of this and what fence-sitters think about it.
Starmer’s 10 “pledges” . . .
* 7. Strengthen workers’ rights and trade unions
Starmers too busy chasing Mondeo Mans vote to want anything to do with those grotty Unions.
Unfortunately for him it’s 2022, not 1997, and it won’t work this time. It’s all going to end in tears.
I always thought the “labour” in “the Labour Party” was in reference to the labour movement. Guess I was mistaken
As a Lib / Lab flip-flopper, this rail strike situation is really making me uncomfortable with both sides.
Libdem main twitter called the transport secretary and “union bosses” “as bad as each other” (as if strikes were not decided by ballot), after party individuals also tweeted not-so-supportive statements.
Labour are doing whatever the heck this is, after not exactly the most loud support of worker’s rights.
I made it a point of being somewhat involved and a member of a political party for pretty much as long as I’ve been in the UK, but I am really starting to struggle finding a party that does not do my head in.
He’ll be gone before boris.
I don’t get why a party built from backing workers are politically scared of backing workers.
What is the point of a **Labour** Party that isn’t even willing to support trade unions, the very thing it was set up be the parliamentary wing of in the first place?
At this point the Labour Party are being blamed for the strikes anyway so they may as well go all in.
Old imitation Labour leader Starmer works directly for Boris the Dictator.
Okay, now he’s really faking it.
Now can we tell him “get fucked”!!
Might as well change the party name then. What a bell end
I’ve been downvoted so many times for saying that labour no longer stand for the working class… Sickens me what they’ve done to the only party that can realistically topple the Tories. Don’t even care that it’ll make my vote useless I’m voting as left wing as possible so I can sleep at night.
Personally I don’t care what starmer says to get into power, I’d care what he actually does in office. I’d be fine with him doing this, then getting into power and bringing in proportional representation, stopping us from ever having another tory government. Or having 5 years to actually improve people’s lives, which makes it a lot more difficult for the papers to go on about starmer supports grinding the country to a halt. If he shows his support now, there’s nothing positive to offset it, if he shows his support while in the midst of a five year term, he can support it and point to improvements labour have made in people’s lives over that time
Chances are if anyone attended the press would rip them to pieces, you only have to think back to when Corbyn was leader to see how much some sections of the media would love to attack him. Starmer has worked hard to avoid anything like that and I think it may benefit him in the next election votewise. Not saying it’s the right thing to do, but tactically it makes sense.
I do think Labour should be more visible in supporting the strikes but I also support them getting into power and I do think the left often makes perfect the enemy of the good and it only makes it worse. You can also still be supportive and not turn up for what would look like a photo opportunity that the Murdoch press would obsess over.
Really Labour should be two parties as the left and centrist factions don’t seem to ever agree on anything and the Tories take advantage of the conflict to gain votes.
It seems to me that the main problem Labour has nowadays is that the people they apparently stand for don’t even stand for themselves.
The right wing media have successfully got the true working classes fighting amongst themselves. The classic “why should he have X when I only have Y”?
They’ve taken their anger and redirected it towards other downtrodden groups. They’ve militarised the working classes economic plight to assist in ensuring its own economic plight.
It’s genius really.
So Labour is fucked either way. Because unlike the prevailingly wisdom of the Tories which is the eternal greed of man, Labour’s entire model is outdated and doesn’t really reflect the social realities of 2022.
Anti-labour party
Unfortunately as we still use FPTP, we only have a choice of Tory or slightly less shit Tory.
It’s like the Blair years all over again.
Lmao at the clowns in this thread talking about “you must want the Tories to win” because we don’t support starmer. These are the same bad faith actors that *actively* sabotaged and prevented a labour victory under Corbyn. It is not difficult to find evidence of starmer lying – a cursory look at his pledges during the labour leadership election will show this. The fact is, starmer has shown himself to be further to the right than the Tories themselves on more than one occasion since being leader of the opposition.
If it walks like a Tory, and talks like a Tory, then let us call it what it is – a Tory.
People who want a better world for us all aren’t interested in voting for starmer because it won’t be any improvement on the conservatives. Instead of barking at people who take this position, perhaps those in the briefcase labour camp should reflect on the fact that they aren’t the grown up strategic geniuses that they think they are..
Because its a trap. Look at how hard the right wing is going against the strikes – its their fault people cant get cancer treatment or have their wedding they’re eviiiil.
Have you ever heard that story when the rail network just fails generally? The media doesnt fill with stories of people missing.important appointments because there are never enough trains.
The Tories want Labour at the front of this strike. They want to call it Labours strike.
Showing up adds nothing.
What are Labour for?
It really feels like they exist to “not be the Tories, but just enough we don’t scare the vote away”.
Labour’s only real purpose at this stage is to win a hung parliament and deliver PR. They’ve got no path to a majority without Scotland.
What we will get instead is 4 years of Diet Tory Lite that pleases nobody, and gets Labour booted back into the political long grass for another decade.
He doesn’t give a toss. All the parties are the same at this point, they only care about image and what people on twitter say.
Boris is a lying sack of s with no ideological stance except stay in power at all costs.
Starmers just vanilla, with no policies at all except dunking on Boris, which isn’t hard to do.
Starmer has no character or backbone, he may make a good leader or even a PM but he really needs to make his mark and show us all what he stands for, sitting on the fence playing the good guy to the left and right makes him look weak.
And why is that, if true?
I’m not the biggest Labour supporter but wtf? Is he trying to alienate his voterbase and his own party?? Is this an attempt to try and win over some tory voters?
Curious to see a whole lot of Starmer haters seemingly appear out of thin air, as though the man were already in power and repeatedly done bad things.
Labour can’t attach themselves to these strikes, it would be an own goal and be tantamount to taking the blame for them. The Tories already call them “Labours strikes” which is ludicrous and looks even more bizarre if Labour can avoid being directly involved. This isn’t dishonesty on Labours part, this is how the game is played right now.
What is the point of Labour? In these difficult times need proper opposition, not these spineless doormats.
Starmer’s Labour party exists only to distract from conservative failure and ensure their continued position in power.
Labour is just pathetic. They are meant to represent the working class not be some weak party that almost apologize for disagreeing with the Tory’s
Always fun seeing the sentiment of: “people in this country just want circuses, its silly how low starmer rates; people don’t want a sensible politician who would do good”
Like there’s voting for sensible people and there’s voting for a soggy bit of processed white bread.
Red tory continues to be a red tory. [Surprised Pikachu face]
Now when you’re done with the shock and horror, remember to vote for the lib dems or greens at your next GE so we can sort this fucking mess out.
Shocking that the party that is supposed to represent workers rights is running scared. It’s called the Labour Party ffs.
The power a Labour leader could wield if they were truly for the workers and unions, standing up in the commons and telling the country ‘if you’re unsatisfied with how the government has been treating you, how the companies and industries you work for have continued to abuse your time and effort, then join or create a union, take back your power and strike or protest until you are treated fairly’. The government makes enough money through taxation, and almost every industry makes record breaking profits, there is enough money for everyone in this country to be paid a comfortable wage, it’s just all being hoarded by the top 0.5%
Everyone is outraged that someone who isn’t in power decided to take a neutral stance to prevent their support being used as smear against them. Meanwhile those in power actively engineer a strike as a pretext to ban strikes, and people just shrug. Not looking good for the next election
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I’d like to see some decent polling on whether or not traditional Labour voters approve of this and what fence-sitters think about it.
Starmer’s 10 “pledges” . . .
* 7. Strengthen workers’ rights and trade unions
Starmers too busy chasing Mondeo Mans vote to want anything to do with those grotty Unions.
Unfortunately for him it’s 2022, not 1997, and it won’t work this time. It’s all going to end in tears.
I always thought the “labour” in “the Labour Party” was in reference to the labour movement. Guess I was mistaken
As a Lib / Lab flip-flopper, this rail strike situation is really making me uncomfortable with both sides.
Libdem main twitter called the transport secretary and “union bosses” “as bad as each other” (as if strikes were not decided by ballot), after party individuals also tweeted not-so-supportive statements.
Labour are doing whatever the heck this is, after not exactly the most loud support of worker’s rights.
I made it a point of being somewhat involved and a member of a political party for pretty much as long as I’ve been in the UK, but I am really starting to struggle finding a party that does not do my head in.
He’ll be gone before boris.
I don’t get why a party built from backing workers are politically scared of backing workers.
What is the point of a **Labour** Party that isn’t even willing to support trade unions, the very thing it was set up be the parliamentary wing of in the first place?
At this point the Labour Party are being blamed for the strikes anyway so they may as well go all in.
Old imitation Labour leader Starmer works directly for Boris the Dictator.
Okay, now he’s really faking it.
Now can we tell him “get fucked”!!
Might as well change the party name then. What a bell end
I’ve been downvoted so many times for saying that labour no longer stand for the working class… Sickens me what they’ve done to the only party that can realistically topple the Tories. Don’t even care that it’ll make my vote useless I’m voting as left wing as possible so I can sleep at night.
Personally I don’t care what starmer says to get into power, I’d care what he actually does in office. I’d be fine with him doing this, then getting into power and bringing in proportional representation, stopping us from ever having another tory government. Or having 5 years to actually improve people’s lives, which makes it a lot more difficult for the papers to go on about starmer supports grinding the country to a halt. If he shows his support now, there’s nothing positive to offset it, if he shows his support while in the midst of a five year term, he can support it and point to improvements labour have made in people’s lives over that time
Chances are if anyone attended the press would rip them to pieces, you only have to think back to when Corbyn was leader to see how much some sections of the media would love to attack him. Starmer has worked hard to avoid anything like that and I think it may benefit him in the next election votewise. Not saying it’s the right thing to do, but tactically it makes sense.
I do think Labour should be more visible in supporting the strikes but I also support them getting into power and I do think the left often makes perfect the enemy of the good and it only makes it worse. You can also still be supportive and not turn up for what would look like a photo opportunity that the Murdoch press would obsess over.
Really Labour should be two parties as the left and centrist factions don’t seem to ever agree on anything and the Tories take advantage of the conflict to gain votes.
It seems to me that the main problem Labour has nowadays is that the people they apparently stand for don’t even stand for themselves.
The right wing media have successfully got the true working classes fighting amongst themselves. The classic “why should he have X when I only have Y”?
They’ve taken their anger and redirected it towards other downtrodden groups. They’ve militarised the working classes economic plight to assist in ensuring its own economic plight.
It’s genius really.
So Labour is fucked either way. Because unlike the prevailingly wisdom of the Tories which is the eternal greed of man, Labour’s entire model is outdated and doesn’t really reflect the social realities of 2022.
Anti-labour party
Unfortunately as we still use FPTP, we only have a choice of Tory or slightly less shit Tory.
It’s like the Blair years all over again.
Lmao at the clowns in this thread talking about “you must want the Tories to win” because we don’t support starmer. These are the same bad faith actors that *actively* sabotaged and prevented a labour victory under Corbyn. It is not difficult to find evidence of starmer lying – a cursory look at his pledges during the labour leadership election will show this. The fact is, starmer has shown himself to be further to the right than the Tories themselves on more than one occasion since being leader of the opposition.
If it walks like a Tory, and talks like a Tory, then let us call it what it is – a Tory.
People who want a better world for us all aren’t interested in voting for starmer because it won’t be any improvement on the conservatives. Instead of barking at people who take this position, perhaps those in the briefcase labour camp should reflect on the fact that they aren’t the grown up strategic geniuses that they think they are..
Because its a trap. Look at how hard the right wing is going against the strikes – its their fault people cant get cancer treatment or have their wedding they’re eviiiil.
Have you ever heard that story when the rail network just fails generally? The media doesnt fill with stories of people missing.important appointments because there are never enough trains.
The Tories want Labour at the front of this strike. They want to call it Labours strike.
Showing up adds nothing.
What are Labour for?
It really feels like they exist to “not be the Tories, but just enough we don’t scare the vote away”.
Labour’s only real purpose at this stage is to win a hung parliament and deliver PR. They’ve got no path to a majority without Scotland.
What we will get instead is 4 years of Diet Tory Lite that pleases nobody, and gets Labour booted back into the political long grass for another decade.
He doesn’t give a toss. All the parties are the same at this point, they only care about image and what people on twitter say.
Boris is a lying sack of s with no ideological stance except stay in power at all costs.
Starmers just vanilla, with no policies at all except dunking on Boris, which isn’t hard to do.
Starmer has no character or backbone, he may make a good leader or even a PM but he really needs to make his mark and show us all what he stands for, sitting on the fence playing the good guy to the left and right makes him look weak.
And why is that, if true?
I’m not the biggest Labour supporter but wtf? Is he trying to alienate his voterbase and his own party?? Is this an attempt to try and win over some tory voters?
Curious to see a whole lot of Starmer haters seemingly appear out of thin air, as though the man were already in power and repeatedly done bad things.
Labour can’t attach themselves to these strikes, it would be an own goal and be tantamount to taking the blame for them. The Tories already call them “Labours strikes” which is ludicrous and looks even more bizarre if Labour can avoid being directly involved. This isn’t dishonesty on Labours part, this is how the game is played right now.
What is the point of Labour? In these difficult times need proper opposition, not these spineless doormats.
Starmer’s Labour party exists only to distract from conservative failure and ensure their continued position in power.
Labour is just pathetic. They are meant to represent the working class not be some weak party that almost apologize for disagreeing with the Tory’s
Always fun seeing the sentiment of: “people in this country just want circuses, its silly how low starmer rates; people don’t want a sensible politician who would do good”
Like there’s voting for sensible people and there’s voting for a soggy bit of processed white bread.
Red tory continues to be a red tory. [Surprised Pikachu face]
Now when you’re done with the shock and horror, remember to vote for the lib dems or greens at your next GE so we can sort this fucking mess out.
Shocking that the party that is supposed to represent workers rights is running scared. It’s called the Labour Party ffs.
The power a Labour leader could wield if they were truly for the workers and unions, standing up in the commons and telling the country ‘if you’re unsatisfied with how the government has been treating you, how the companies and industries you work for have continued to abuse your time and effort, then join or create a union, take back your power and strike or protest until you are treated fairly’. The government makes enough money through taxation, and almost every industry makes record breaking profits, there is enough money for everyone in this country to be paid a comfortable wage, it’s just all being hoarded by the top 0.5%
Everyone is outraged that someone who isn’t in power decided to take a neutral stance to prevent their support being used as smear against them. Meanwhile those in power actively engineer a strike as a pretext to ban strikes, and people just shrug. Not looking good for the next election