> Transport Secretary Grant Shapps responded to a suggestion from Jeremy Corbyn that pay was inadequate by saying: “The median salary for a train driver is £59,000, compared with £31,000 for a nurse and £21,000 for a care worker.”
Is Grant Shapps trying to pretend that those nurse/care worker pay figures are meant to be acceptable? “We pay other people badly, so train drivers should stop complaining” isn’t a great argument.
So to sum it up shapps is a liar and a scoundrel. Uses over inflated numbers to make pay sound higher than it actually is.
Making out that it’s our pay that’s not acceptable and not the fact nurses are underpaid and care staff very underpaid.
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Notice how theyve specifically stated train drivers. Not everyone who works for the rail is a train driver. The median salary of an RMT worker is 31k.
I work in the rail industry and my union (tssa) will probably strike soon. Band 6 roles are 20k and band 5 jobs are 25k. We havnt had a pay rise in 2.5 years.
>The trouble with using the figure for train drivers in a debate about the strikes is that the drivers are represented by their own union, Aslef, which says that 96% of train drivers in England, Scotland and Wales are its members, and most of the remaining 4% are not union members at all.
>The RMT union says the figures used by the government are too high because they include train drivers who are almost all represented by a different union and not people like cleaners who are not categorised in the ONS figures as rail workers.
So basically Shapps is talking complete nonsense.
This is how he gets people to hate on the ones striking, the average person sees that salary and thinks to them self’s fuck those strikers, create division and hate to distract from the truth
If you remove drivers from the equation, their median pay is still around £35,000 which is above the national average of £25,000
Friendly reminder that the average wage in 1979 was £4,387 or the equivalent of £72,000 in today’s cash.
Average for 2022? £38,000.
You have all been robbed and are being mad at fellow others who have also been robbed.
A helluva lot of people aren’t on or will never be on their 35k average wage and that average does not include the drivers!
So should all emergency service workers strike until they get more than 35k on average?
Or are rail workers more important!
Should Joe bloggs who is on minimum wage lose wages or maybe his job because he can’t get to work because of these strikes or what about young Joe bloggs who can’t get to his exam due to these strikes should his future look more bleak because big John who works on the rail wants 36k a year!
Fair comment
Chapter 1 of the Thatcher playbook – make it look like unions and strikers are greedy, make it look like that imaginary greed is what’s buggered the economy rather than willful damage by government, profit.
The BBC really are in the government’s pocket now and starmer is sat on the sidelines saying nothing. It’s infuriating that ‘less shit, but still shit’ seems to be the best electoral option left open to me.
Look, there’s no money for poxy rail workers….what we haven’t spent on booze and parties, we’ve sent to the Ukrainians. Now fuck off.
Love
Boris
When are fishermen and farmers screwed by Brexit going to strike?
**96% of train drivers are NOT on strike and were NOT balloted for any form of industrial action!**
*Train Drivers are represented by ASLEF, not the RMT.*
Leave them, and their pay, the fuck out of this.
I mean, honestly?
If those with the skills to drive trains decide that their skills are worth more than £60k then that’s just the free market, supply and demand, etc. in action.
Basic economics, or some shit idk.
News flash: it doesn’t matter! These strikes are a) not only about pay and b) not only about train drivers. They are railway strikes. They encompass *everyone* that works on the railways in some capacity, and are about deteriorating working conditions, safety conditions and pay, not solely pay. The media have already set their narrative.
Glad I left the sinking UK ship 5 years ago.
You can waltz into a teaching job in China that pays £60k a year if you’re British. 35 hours a week and 2 months off a year. Rent is £360 for a two bedroom apartment a month. A week of groceries for two people is £35 and it costs £20 for two people to eat out at a resteraunt with alcoholic drinks.
How UK still has people living there I don’t know. Salaries too low and shit costs too much.
What does it matter. Stop pitting people against each other. They are paid as much or as little as the market will allow.
Too much. Ticket collectors and information staff on £33k. It’s no wonder train fares are so high. You can’t tell me ticket collecting is a skilled job.
Even the wage RMT are saying is too low is actually more than the vast majority of workers and is very good in the current climate.
All the RMT is a bunch of thugs who extort the rest of society.
Bully boys in suits.
“We asked the Department for Transport (DfT) how it got to this figure and it initially said it had taken the median figures from the ONS for four categories of workers, added them up and dividing by four” – no words…
Company X: Median Salary – £2,561,250
Breakdown:
Owner (1): Median salary – £10,000,000
Managers (3): Median Salary – £200,000
Office Staff (20): Median salary – £25,000
Factory workers (50): Median salary – £20,000
I don’t think anyone wants to be left poorer due to the rampant inflation but everyone is feeling this but not everyone goes on strike!
We all believe our job is worth more than what we are being paid!
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> Transport Secretary Grant Shapps responded to a suggestion from Jeremy Corbyn that pay was inadequate by saying: “The median salary for a train driver is £59,000, compared with £31,000 for a nurse and £21,000 for a care worker.”
Is Grant Shapps trying to pretend that those nurse/care worker pay figures are meant to be acceptable? “We pay other people badly, so train drivers should stop complaining” isn’t a great argument.
So to sum it up shapps is a liar and a scoundrel. Uses over inflated numbers to make pay sound higher than it actually is.
Making out that it’s our pay that’s not acceptable and not the fact nurses are underpaid and care staff very underpaid.
[removed]
Notice how theyve specifically stated train drivers. Not everyone who works for the rail is a train driver. The median salary of an RMT worker is 31k.
I work in the rail industry and my union (tssa) will probably strike soon. Band 6 roles are 20k and band 5 jobs are 25k. We havnt had a pay rise in 2.5 years.
>The trouble with using the figure for train drivers in a debate about the strikes is that the drivers are represented by their own union, Aslef, which says that 96% of train drivers in England, Scotland and Wales are its members, and most of the remaining 4% are not union members at all.
>The RMT union says the figures used by the government are too high because they include train drivers who are almost all represented by a different union and not people like cleaners who are not categorised in the ONS figures as rail workers.
So basically Shapps is talking complete nonsense.
This is how he gets people to hate on the ones striking, the average person sees that salary and thinks to them self’s fuck those strikers, create division and hate to distract from the truth
If you remove drivers from the equation, their median pay is still around £35,000 which is above the national average of £25,000
Friendly reminder that the average wage in 1979 was £4,387 or the equivalent of £72,000 in today’s cash.
Average for 2022? £38,000.
You have all been robbed and are being mad at fellow others who have also been robbed.
A helluva lot of people aren’t on or will never be on their 35k average wage and that average does not include the drivers!
So should all emergency service workers strike until they get more than 35k on average?
Or are rail workers more important!
Should Joe bloggs who is on minimum wage lose wages or maybe his job because he can’t get to work because of these strikes or what about young Joe bloggs who can’t get to his exam due to these strikes should his future look more bleak because big John who works on the rail wants 36k a year!
Fair comment
Chapter 1 of the Thatcher playbook – make it look like unions and strikers are greedy, make it look like that imaginary greed is what’s buggered the economy rather than willful damage by government, profit.
The BBC really are in the government’s pocket now and starmer is sat on the sidelines saying nothing. It’s infuriating that ‘less shit, but still shit’ seems to be the best electoral option left open to me.
Look, there’s no money for poxy rail workers….what we haven’t spent on booze and parties, we’ve sent to the Ukrainians. Now fuck off.
Love
Boris
When are fishermen and farmers screwed by Brexit going to strike?
**96% of train drivers are NOT on strike and were NOT balloted for any form of industrial action!**
*Train Drivers are represented by ASLEF, not the RMT.*
Leave them, and their pay, the fuck out of this.
I mean, honestly?
If those with the skills to drive trains decide that their skills are worth more than £60k then that’s just the free market, supply and demand, etc. in action.
Basic economics, or some shit idk.
News flash: it doesn’t matter! These strikes are a) not only about pay and b) not only about train drivers. They are railway strikes. They encompass *everyone* that works on the railways in some capacity, and are about deteriorating working conditions, safety conditions and pay, not solely pay. The media have already set their narrative.
Glad I left the sinking UK ship 5 years ago.
You can waltz into a teaching job in China that pays £60k a year if you’re British. 35 hours a week and 2 months off a year. Rent is £360 for a two bedroom apartment a month. A week of groceries for two people is £35 and it costs £20 for two people to eat out at a resteraunt with alcoholic drinks.
How UK still has people living there I don’t know. Salaries too low and shit costs too much.
What does it matter. Stop pitting people against each other. They are paid as much or as little as the market will allow.
Too much. Ticket collectors and information staff on £33k. It’s no wonder train fares are so high. You can’t tell me ticket collecting is a skilled job.
Even the wage RMT are saying is too low is actually more than the vast majority of workers and is very good in the current climate.
All the RMT is a bunch of thugs who extort the rest of society.
Bully boys in suits.
“We asked the Department for Transport (DfT) how it got to this figure and it initially said it had taken the median figures from the ONS for four categories of workers, added them up and dividing by four” – no words…
Company X: Median Salary – £2,561,250
Breakdown:
Owner (1): Median salary – £10,000,000
Managers (3): Median Salary – £200,000
Office Staff (20): Median salary – £25,000
Factory workers (50): Median salary – £20,000
I don’t think anyone wants to be left poorer due to the rampant inflation but everyone is feeling this but not everyone goes on strike!
We all believe our job is worth more than what we are being paid!