Be interesting to hear Ian Bailey’s response to this. Is this what he wanted all along?
You often see conspiracies in comment sections that it was a local superintendent/relative of superintendent who killed Sophie. People saying stuff like “Just look at the evidence.”, but I’ve no idea where they’re getting the “evidence” from. There’s a heap of circumstantial evidence pointing towards Bailey, but you hear people saying that the entire town knows who really did it.
We investigated ourselves and found it probably wasn’t ideal but sure look it.
Jesus christ
Whatever comes from these investigations that have been investigated to the fullest extent possible.
“Aw shit here we go again” – West Cork podcasters
The gardai will conduct a full and fair investigation and find that they did everything exactly right. Also, they will mention how well they handled the Kerry baby case while they’re at it.
I don’t think the Gardaí are scrappy enough to solve this mystery
any of the documentaries worth watching?
Did they ever find the gate that was misplaced?
It would be nice if they could rap this one up before everyone involved died of old age…
Embarrassing and shameful affair.
Why, for the love of god, were the forensic guys from Dublin not flown directly to the scene by helicopter? Instead of driving hours through Christmas traffic by car.
No wonder the French are livid with us.
So they still have the DNA right? That wasn’t baileys that was at the scene?
At this stage of the game I dont see anything coming out of this to convince me one way or the other.
My bet is that this was a **”farm animal attack”**. The horses.
Horses broke free. She woke up. One was trapped near the gate. She tried to free it. The horse cornered her and pushed her into brambled. She lifted the block over her head to get over the fence or to put it between her and the horse. Stumbled and it came down on her head. The horse probably bucked her more times. She bled out.
That would explain the lack of DNA from IB at the crime scene and on that block. It is unthinkable to suggest he didn’t leave DNA because he was wearing gloves but cut his hands on the brambles. No sense there at all.
The state pathologist probably called it wrong. I bet they never checked the horse’s hoofs for blood. I bet a review of the evidence will find it consistent with an animal attack and that she could have lifted the block herself in the panic.
Animal attack makes sense of the evidence. She went out of the house wearing her night clothes. There is no evidence anyone called to her door. There is no evidence anyone was in the house. She went out to investigate something. Apparently, the horses were running around near the gate and were moved to the next field so the scene could be processed.
Here is the list of counter-points given as replies below:
* Women can’t lift blocks.
* The block was 30-40kg (looks like 10 to 20kg at the max and might even be less than 10kg).
* Her attack wounds (no pathology report to back up how the block was used. We don’t even know how many times it was dropped on her).
* Maybe the best one -> Blood on a door handle (without accepting the crime scene was contaminated).
* We should accept that stranger homicides in the early 1990s Ireland happened just as regularly as farm animal attacks and fatalities. The fact is Ireland didn’t even have a homicide squad outside of Dublin and the one in Dublin didn’t have lots of experience anyway because stranger killings rarely if ever happened.
* Horses can’t carry out that level of damage.
* We aren’t allowed to suggest contamination but its okay if we invoke Bailey as the killer, then we can say contamination explains how his DNA and fingerprints aren’t at the crime scene.
* Baily can get cuts on his hands and arms while wearing gloves to avoid leaving prints and DNA.
In short, this horse hypothesis is equally as valid as the Bailey one or any homicide claim for that matter. There is no hard evidence we have been presented with that this a homicide.
**Guess at least 8 people here think homicide by concrete block is a well-planned murder.** 
Leaked documents say Gardaí can now say her name properly
The (now deceased) husband’s secretary was pregnant by him when Sophie was murdered. I always wondered was there shenanigans in that direction.
I find the idea that everything was happy clappy in France fanciful.
The husband was known for being a see you next Tuesday and keen to hold a grudge.
Blacklisting people in his trade. (TV production)
I dislike Bailey intensely but.. life is strange and I’d give anyone the benefit of the doubt if there’s a risk of a miscarriage of justice.
The prosecution of Bailey by the French system is woeful, at odds with our idea of justice. I’m glad the courts refused to extradite.
They need to review how they stitch a fella up because their little case fell apart from the first moment they tried to pin it on Bailey.
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Be interesting to hear Ian Bailey’s response to this. Is this what he wanted all along?
You often see conspiracies in comment sections that it was a local superintendent/relative of superintendent who killed Sophie. People saying stuff like “Just look at the evidence.”, but I’ve no idea where they’re getting the “evidence” from. There’s a heap of circumstantial evidence pointing towards Bailey, but you hear people saying that the entire town knows who really did it.
We investigated ourselves and found it probably wasn’t ideal but sure look it.
Jesus christ
Whatever comes from these investigations that have been investigated to the fullest extent possible.
“Aw shit here we go again” – West Cork podcasters
The gardai will conduct a full and fair investigation and find that they did everything exactly right. Also, they will mention how well they handled the Kerry baby case while they’re at it.
I don’t think the Gardaí are scrappy enough to solve this mystery
any of the documentaries worth watching?
Did they ever find the gate that was misplaced?
It would be nice if they could rap this one up before everyone involved died of old age…
Embarrassing and shameful affair.
Why, for the love of god, were the forensic guys from Dublin not flown directly to the scene by helicopter? Instead of driving hours through Christmas traffic by car.
No wonder the French are livid with us.
So they still have the DNA right? That wasn’t baileys that was at the scene?
At this stage of the game I dont see anything coming out of this to convince me one way or the other.
My bet is that this was a **”farm animal attack”**. The horses.
Horses broke free. She woke up. One was trapped near the gate. She tried to free it. The horse cornered her and pushed her into brambled. She lifted the block over her head to get over the fence or to put it between her and the horse. Stumbled and it came down on her head. The horse probably bucked her more times. She bled out.
That would explain the lack of DNA from IB at the crime scene and on that block. It is unthinkable to suggest he didn’t leave DNA because he was wearing gloves but cut his hands on the brambles. No sense there at all.
The state pathologist probably called it wrong. I bet they never checked the horse’s hoofs for blood. I bet a review of the evidence will find it consistent with an animal attack and that she could have lifted the block herself in the panic.
Animal attack makes sense of the evidence. She went out of the house wearing her night clothes. There is no evidence anyone called to her door. There is no evidence anyone was in the house. She went out to investigate something. Apparently, the horses were running around near the gate and were moved to the next field so the scene could be processed.
Edit: Here is the [C shape on the 10kg to 20kg concrete block](https://www.echolive.ie/cms_media/module_img/4369/2184713_1_articleinline_concreteblock.jpg) STP had likely put up on the fence post in the first place.
BTW this hypothesis is over 10 years old and was explained by locals who thought it was a horse attack.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOS1ALsW-08](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOS1ALsW-08)
Here is the list of counter-points given as replies below:
* Women can’t lift blocks.
* The block was 30-40kg (looks like 10 to 20kg at the max and might even be less than 10kg).
* Her attack wounds (no pathology report to back up how the block was used. We don’t even know how many times it was dropped on her).
* Maybe the best one -> Blood on a door handle (without accepting the crime scene was contaminated).
* We should accept that stranger homicides in the early 1990s Ireland happened just as regularly as farm animal attacks and fatalities. The fact is Ireland didn’t even have a homicide squad outside of Dublin and the one in Dublin didn’t have lots of experience anyway because stranger killings rarely if ever happened.
* Horses can’t carry out that level of damage.
* We aren’t allowed to suggest contamination but its okay if we invoke Bailey as the killer, then we can say contamination explains how his DNA and fingerprints aren’t at the crime scene.
* Baily can get cuts on his hands and arms while wearing gloves to avoid leaving prints and DNA.
In short, this horse hypothesis is equally as valid as the Bailey one or any homicide claim for that matter. There is no hard evidence we have been presented with that this a homicide.
**Guess at least 8 people here think homicide by concrete block is a well-planned murder.** 
Leaked documents say Gardaí can now say her name properly
The (now deceased) husband’s secretary was pregnant by him when Sophie was murdered. I always wondered was there shenanigans in that direction.
I find the idea that everything was happy clappy in France fanciful.
The husband was known for being a see you next Tuesday and keen to hold a grudge.
Blacklisting people in his trade. (TV production)
I dislike Bailey intensely but.. life is strange and I’d give anyone the benefit of the doubt if there’s a risk of a miscarriage of justice.
The prosecution of Bailey by the French system is woeful, at odds with our idea of justice. I’m glad the courts refused to extradite.
They need to review how they stitch a fella up because their little case fell apart from the first moment they tried to pin it on Bailey.
It was definitely Bailey lak