It is not hard for the French to stop this madness. Over 30 people dead today. Shocking.
>Boris Johnson suggested the French government had not always approached the problem of the crossings “in a way we think the situation deserves”.
>Asked by broadcasters in Downing Street what was going to change after Wednesday’s tragedy, he said:
>We’ve had difficulties persuading some of our partners, particularly the French, to do things in a way that we think the situation deserves.
>I understand the difficulties that all countries face, but what we want now is to do more together – and that’s the offer we are making.
And of course, this dipshit blames France.
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I’m no huge fan of France either but to describe the migrants as escaping “hell” seems a bit strong.
I work in a maritime rescue coordination center in France and can tell you everything we can is done to prevent losing lives. All the French ships in the North are on duty all the time; nearly never leaving the sea when there is no wind (that is when the migrants try to cross); we even had to take the scientific ones to patrol. The teams here do not even sleep when they are on duty. Two weeks ago there was 84 operations with more than 700 persons saved. And it was not such an incredible day. But they are hundred of them trying each quiet day to cross, from anywhere in the coast. Eachtime we loose people it is terrible. How do you want to do more ? We are overwhelmed and do our best with the boats and patrols we have. There is +70% illegal entries in EU this year compared to 2020. Maybe it is just that most of them end in the north of France and that we do not have +70% assets to prevent them to cross.
I see people blaming France, I see people blaming the UK, I see all sorts of people trying to blame somebody, but what I don’t see is anyone doing anything to fix this situation and end the reasons these people think it’s an OK gamble to jam 30 people in a dingy in the middle of winter on the fucking english channel. it’s too cold to swim in even in the middle of summer!
People are fleeing to us because their lives are incredibly terrible. Whatever we do to try to stop them at our borders they will keep on coming because drowning in ice cold water is somehow better than what they have at home.
We need to fix this somehow, I sure don’t know how but severely strenghtening the UN and going back to the idea that war is illegal in all circumstances and enforcing that law would, i hope at least, help.
Massively increasing aid budgets to developing nations while making that aid conditional on respect for human rights and democracy most likely wouldn’t hurt either.
While we’re dreaming we could imagine that the main hindrance to entrepreneurship is lawlessness and that a UN police force could be imposed on any country deemed to be too corrupt or dysfunctional. Giving alms isn’t enough, what we need to do is help the poorest become rich by creating local business and growing their community.
but hey, i live in a country that’s about to elect an idiot who believes a race war is the biggest problem in europe right now so my opinion probably isn’t worth much.
In translation: he doesn’t give a shit. “Shocked and Saddened” sounds like something one of BoJo’s copywriters quickly put down on a lunch break.
No war in Europe .why go to Britain?
As Australia proved, you need a zero tolerance approach or people will keep dying. They went from 20000 arrivals via boat to sub 100 in 2 years, to 0 in recent years. Europe and the UK need to adopt this approach and need to stop rewarding this incredibly risky, incredibly expensive attempts to claim asylum.
261 comments 88 upvotes. This should be interesting.
Who in his right mind crosses the channel in a dinghy?
Then why the fuck aren’t French authorities preventing them from getting on the dingies in the first place?
Oh no
This doesn’t make any sense why would they risk thier lives when there already safe in the west. Sure they may be living in poverty but there not at risk of starving
These people risked everything to leave ***France***. They weren’t in imminent danger. They simply took a massive risk for some unknown reason – maybe ignorance, maybe bad judgment, maybe something else.
The French bashing is strong on this sub
No use in Europe, we need to stop the inflows from the Med.
“Crosses channel in bad weather”
“Dies”
“Surprised Pikachu face.”
If the problem isn’t going away we need to deal with it. How? Simple, in my opinion, we should take the migrants, we should install them in “training” camps. The EU should fund these camps directly and they should be installed in willing countries. The idea of these camps would be to teach the language and sort the migrants by skills and aptitudes, after their training is completed they would be installed in temporary housing and they would be assigned a training job depending on their best skills and aptitudes, the ones that have none would be doing farm labor ( minimum wage is still better that what they would be doing in their home countries ). There would be no handouts, if they don’t show up for work, or if they leave their assigned temporary home without authorization they would be deported, if they followed the rules and actually got good at their assigned “jobs”, they would be given residency in the welcoming country. In my opinion this would sort most of the problems, namely the cultural shock, the “apparent” lack of skills and education, and also, the integration into the economy. Don’t forget that most EU nations actually need immigration to prop up their economies. In Portugal there are thousands of migrants working in the primary sector because farmers simply can’t get Portuguese people to work on those jobs, we actually need more and more people for the rest of the economy as well.. I will give you just an example, the nursing home my mother works at can’t get enough workers for all the vacancies, people just don’t want to do that job.
If we keep showing we are a soft touch (all of Europe) and that we just allow people to stay even though they don’t have any proven asylum claim, this will keep happening. There needs to be far stricter immigration rules, not putting them in temp accomodation for countless appeals and just never deporting. These people apparently pay up to $40k to smugglers to get here. They could spend that money on education, visas, IELTS etc and go the correct way, but they want a shortcut and gangsters will always fine a way for them. We’re giving them hope that it’s fine, when it’s not.
I wonder if the French police were waving this boat load off too.
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It is not hard for the French to stop this madness. Over 30 people dead today. Shocking.
>Boris Johnson suggested the French government had not always approached the problem of the crossings “in a way we think the situation deserves”.
>Asked by broadcasters in Downing Street what was going to change after Wednesday’s tragedy, he said:
>We’ve had difficulties persuading some of our partners, particularly the French, to do things in a way that we think the situation deserves.
>I understand the difficulties that all countries face, but what we want now is to do more together – and that’s the offer we are making.
And of course, this dipshit blames France.
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I’m no huge fan of France either but to describe the migrants as escaping “hell” seems a bit strong.
I work in a maritime rescue coordination center in France and can tell you everything we can is done to prevent losing lives. All the French ships in the North are on duty all the time; nearly never leaving the sea when there is no wind (that is when the migrants try to cross); we even had to take the scientific ones to patrol. The teams here do not even sleep when they are on duty. Two weeks ago there was 84 operations with more than 700 persons saved. And it was not such an incredible day. But they are hundred of them trying each quiet day to cross, from anywhere in the coast. Eachtime we loose people it is terrible. How do you want to do more ? We are overwhelmed and do our best with the boats and patrols we have. There is +70% illegal entries in EU this year compared to 2020. Maybe it is just that most of them end in the north of France and that we do not have +70% assets to prevent them to cross.
I see people blaming France, I see people blaming the UK, I see all sorts of people trying to blame somebody, but what I don’t see is anyone doing anything to fix this situation and end the reasons these people think it’s an OK gamble to jam 30 people in a dingy in the middle of winter on the fucking english channel. it’s too cold to swim in even in the middle of summer!
People are fleeing to us because their lives are incredibly terrible. Whatever we do to try to stop them at our borders they will keep on coming because drowning in ice cold water is somehow better than what they have at home.
We need to fix this somehow, I sure don’t know how but severely strenghtening the UN and going back to the idea that war is illegal in all circumstances and enforcing that law would, i hope at least, help.
Massively increasing aid budgets to developing nations while making that aid conditional on respect for human rights and democracy most likely wouldn’t hurt either.
While we’re dreaming we could imagine that the main hindrance to entrepreneurship is lawlessness and that a UN police force could be imposed on any country deemed to be too corrupt or dysfunctional. Giving alms isn’t enough, what we need to do is help the poorest become rich by creating local business and growing their community.
but hey, i live in a country that’s about to elect an idiot who believes a race war is the biggest problem in europe right now so my opinion probably isn’t worth much.
In translation: he doesn’t give a shit. “Shocked and Saddened” sounds like something one of BoJo’s copywriters quickly put down on a lunch break.
No war in Europe .why go to Britain?
As Australia proved, you need a zero tolerance approach or people will keep dying. They went from 20000 arrivals via boat to sub 100 in 2 years, to 0 in recent years. Europe and the UK need to adopt this approach and need to stop rewarding this incredibly risky, incredibly expensive attempts to claim asylum.
261 comments 88 upvotes. This should be interesting.
Who in his right mind crosses the channel in a dinghy?
Then why the fuck aren’t French authorities preventing them from getting on the dingies in the first place?
Oh no
This doesn’t make any sense why would they risk thier lives when there already safe in the west. Sure they may be living in poverty but there not at risk of starving
These people risked everything to leave ***France***. They weren’t in imminent danger. They simply took a massive risk for some unknown reason – maybe ignorance, maybe bad judgment, maybe something else.
The French bashing is strong on this sub
No use in Europe, we need to stop the inflows from the Med.
“Crosses channel in bad weather”
“Dies”
“Surprised Pikachu face.”
If the problem isn’t going away we need to deal with it. How? Simple, in my opinion, we should take the migrants, we should install them in “training” camps. The EU should fund these camps directly and they should be installed in willing countries. The idea of these camps would be to teach the language and sort the migrants by skills and aptitudes, after their training is completed they would be installed in temporary housing and they would be assigned a training job depending on their best skills and aptitudes, the ones that have none would be doing farm labor ( minimum wage is still better that what they would be doing in their home countries ). There would be no handouts, if they don’t show up for work, or if they leave their assigned temporary home without authorization they would be deported, if they followed the rules and actually got good at their assigned “jobs”, they would be given residency in the welcoming country. In my opinion this would sort most of the problems, namely the cultural shock, the “apparent” lack of skills and education, and also, the integration into the economy. Don’t forget that most EU nations actually need immigration to prop up their economies. In Portugal there are thousands of migrants working in the primary sector because farmers simply can’t get Portuguese people to work on those jobs, we actually need more and more people for the rest of the economy as well.. I will give you just an example, the nursing home my mother works at can’t get enough workers for all the vacancies, people just don’t want to do that job.
If we keep showing we are a soft touch (all of Europe) and that we just allow people to stay even though they don’t have any proven asylum claim, this will keep happening. There needs to be far stricter immigration rules, not putting them in temp accomodation for countless appeals and just never deporting. These people apparently pay up to $40k to smugglers to get here. They could spend that money on education, visas, IELTS etc and go the correct way, but they want a shortcut and gangsters will always fine a way for them. We’re giving them hope that it’s fine, when it’s not.
I wonder if the French police were waving this boat load off too.