Nice, good to see a business tell bigots they can piss off if they don’t like something.
Edit: thanks for reporting this, but I’m not contemplating self harm or suicide.
As long as staff aren’t forced to display pronouns, and it’s a personal choice, I don’t see any issue.
This seems like a sensible form of inclusion.
Can someone explain to why displaying o not displaying pronouns makes a difference with staff.
I’ve never referred go bank staff as he or she, always you
People need to find better things to get angry over
It’s funny, I’ve always heard that the people pushing the culture war are the ones winning the class war, and now here’s a bank weighing in on gender and identity for no apparent reason
The response is brilliant, anytime you can say “if you don’t like it then get out” to someone who’s probably said that to an immigrant, then it’s a win
Also “Others complained that it was an attempt to impose a world view on them that they didn’t share.” do they mean the morons complaining or non-corforming folks who are forced to live in a world where the morons get mad if a boy wears pink?
I’d rather they focus on their gender pay gap.
This is the ultimate ‘it’s not hurting anyone’ thing to get upset over.
Looks like they distract you with the same culture wars as they do with the Americans … for fuck sake who cares about this stuff? Even if you meet a transgender person in a bank, they will do their job the same as any other person they are not luring you into a back room and playing with your crown jewels even though some of the people most outraged would love that I guess..
Why does it say her/hers isn’t hers just what you would get from her?
Starting to get tired of the “stop forcing your ideology” folks when the *literal government* wheels out threats against the trans community’s rights every time they’re in political trouble.
Quite frankly, I don’t give a fuck what your “opinion” on trans people is – they exist, that’s a fact. How is treating them with *basic respect* and allowing them *the same freedoms as everyone else* a “culture war” issue?
Because that’s not a culture war, it’s FASCISM. Plain and fucking simple. Replace trans with “disabled” or “Jewish” or “Black” and suddenly its *outright discrimination*. But because our laws are in the hands of amoral chancers courting the bigot vote, their fundamental rights are literally always on the table to be scrapped whenever Boris wants some meat for his rightwing wolves.
Wake up and recognise that this is just the tip of the iceberg – then they come for the “lefties” and the “do gooder lawyers”, then it’s the academics; then the religious minorities… oh and the “calm down you’re exaggerating” crowd can go book themselves holidays to the United States of Gilead.
Okay cool and all but why does it say she/her/hers? Is there a mfer out there who is a she/her/his?
how much of a snow flake does one have to be, to even give a single shit what is on someones employees badge, never mind offended or pissed off about it?
I think the pronouns thing is idiotic but no more so than loads of things nobody gets annoyed about. So I quietly eyeroll to myself.
I always forget what a cesspit Twitter is, like I know it’s a cesspit but every time I click on a tweet in an article or on Reddit I’m reminded it’s even worse.
Does Twitter just purposely sort replies by controversial? Or most likely to piss people off?
Sticks and stones may break my bones, but if you put pronouns on name badges we’ll all have a tantrum.
Doesn’t have the same ring to it, does it?
I don’t understand how people even have the mental energy to spare on getting worked up about this sort of thing. It takes basically zero effort to refer to someone in the way they prefer to be addressed, and refusing to do so because you don’t like that is just being rude. And the fact that someone is volunteering that information up front so they don’t have to correct people fifty times a day does not affect you in the least, unless you’re coming at it from the perspective that trans/NB people are not a thing in which case you can just get in the sea.
I honestly don’t understand why this matters. Personally I couldn’t give a crap about displaying my own pronouns but I also don’t give a shit about people wanting to display theirs. It’s a bit of text on a badge. Get the fuck over it.
I’ve been thinking of changing banks for a while now, this has made me seriously want to open an account with Halifax.
Trans rights are human rights and I fully support Halifax in this. They are demonstrating the real way to be a corporate ally – not just putting a pride flag on your products for a week!
Why does it need to be her/hers, isn’t that the same thing? Not against it or anything like that just don’t understand why
Well yeah, anyone can close their accounts at any time?
Businesses calling people’s bluff over stuff like this is possibly one of the most satisfying things in the world for me.
Like, the literal purpose of a name badge is to tell people what to call you?
It honestly makes sense for those who have preferred pronouns outside of the implied, to show them to make sure there isn’t confusion.
How inclusion at the point of the individual is seen as a point of contention, is baffling.
If the display of pronouns are enough to get you angry, seek help.
Reddit comments are a weird echo chamber
Old man shouts at a cloud
So they did
the funniest bit about this whole thing is the people loudly proclaiming they’re leaving Halifax and moving to a more “sensible” bank without realising most of the other big banks have already had similar policies for ages
Personally I think this is dumb but whatever. Most of my interactions in banks have been at a one to one level and I’ve never had to use a 3rd person term “he told me to go here… she told me to wait”…. Now at my NatWest we have to check in using a qr code if it’s something more complicated and then somebody calls you into a private room. Again, never needed to refer using 3rd person so this seems a bit pointless but if it makes people happy then whatever really.
You can also ignore the badge and continue to use your own agency.
>The trigger for the row was Halifax saying staff *can* wear a name badge displaying preferred personal pronouns **if they wish.**
That right there is the key piece of info. It’s entirely optional. Halifax isn’t imposing this on staff in any way.
If some customers are getting bent out of shape because someone else’s badge has a detail it didn’t have before, my god, they really need to get a life.
Trying to explain to people that customers are more than welcome to close their accounts at any point and that Halifax reminding them they are entitled to do so does not equate to “telling customers to fuck off” or “forcing customers away” or “pushing views on people.”
It’s absolutely hilarious that a name badge displaying personal information that an employee can choose whether to display can influence such an important matter as location of finances.
I’ve never understood the need to display pronouns. If I was trans, and I started wearing dresses and did make up and all that and someone was like “what are your pronouns?” I think I’d be insulted. Like can’t you tell????
As someone living in Halifax, Canada, I was confused for like .5 seconds
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Nice one Halifax 👍🌈
Nice, good to see a business tell bigots they can piss off if they don’t like something.
Edit: thanks for reporting this, but I’m not contemplating self harm or suicide.
As long as staff aren’t forced to display pronouns, and it’s a personal choice, I don’t see any issue.
This seems like a sensible form of inclusion.
Can someone explain to why displaying o not displaying pronouns makes a difference with staff.
I’ve never referred go bank staff as he or she, always you
People need to find better things to get angry over
It’s funny, I’ve always heard that the people pushing the culture war are the ones winning the class war, and now here’s a bank weighing in on gender and identity for no apparent reason
The response is brilliant, anytime you can say “if you don’t like it then get out” to someone who’s probably said that to an immigrant, then it’s a win
Also “Others complained that it was an attempt to impose a world view on them that they didn’t share.” do they mean the morons complaining or non-corforming folks who are forced to live in a world where the morons get mad if a boy wears pink?
I’d rather they focus on their gender pay gap.
This is the ultimate ‘it’s not hurting anyone’ thing to get upset over.
Looks like they distract you with the same culture wars as they do with the Americans … for fuck sake who cares about this stuff? Even if you meet a transgender person in a bank, they will do their job the same as any other person they are not luring you into a back room and playing with your crown jewels even though some of the people most outraged would love that I guess..
Why does it say her/hers isn’t hers just what you would get from her?
Starting to get tired of the “stop forcing your ideology” folks when the *literal government* wheels out threats against the trans community’s rights every time they’re in political trouble.
Quite frankly, I don’t give a fuck what your “opinion” on trans people is – they exist, that’s a fact. How is treating them with *basic respect* and allowing them *the same freedoms as everyone else* a “culture war” issue?
Because that’s not a culture war, it’s FASCISM. Plain and fucking simple. Replace trans with “disabled” or “Jewish” or “Black” and suddenly its *outright discrimination*. But because our laws are in the hands of amoral chancers courting the bigot vote, their fundamental rights are literally always on the table to be scrapped whenever Boris wants some meat for his rightwing wolves.
Wake up and recognise that this is just the tip of the iceberg – then they come for the “lefties” and the “do gooder lawyers”, then it’s the academics; then the religious minorities… oh and the “calm down you’re exaggerating” crowd can go book themselves holidays to the United States of Gilead.
Okay cool and all but why does it say she/her/hers? Is there a mfer out there who is a she/her/his?
how much of a snow flake does one have to be, to even give a single shit what is on someones employees badge, never mind offended or pissed off about it?
I think the pronouns thing is idiotic but no more so than loads of things nobody gets annoyed about. So I quietly eyeroll to myself.
I always forget what a cesspit Twitter is, like I know it’s a cesspit but every time I click on a tweet in an article or on Reddit I’m reminded it’s even worse.
Does Twitter just purposely sort replies by controversial? Or most likely to piss people off?
Sticks and stones may break my bones, but if you put pronouns on name badges we’ll all have a tantrum.
Doesn’t have the same ring to it, does it?
I don’t understand how people even have the mental energy to spare on getting worked up about this sort of thing. It takes basically zero effort to refer to someone in the way they prefer to be addressed, and refusing to do so because you don’t like that is just being rude. And the fact that someone is volunteering that information up front so they don’t have to correct people fifty times a day does not affect you in the least, unless you’re coming at it from the perspective that trans/NB people are not a thing in which case you can just get in the sea.
I honestly don’t understand why this matters. Personally I couldn’t give a crap about displaying my own pronouns but I also don’t give a shit about people wanting to display theirs. It’s a bit of text on a badge. Get the fuck over it.
I’ve been thinking of changing banks for a while now, this has made me seriously want to open an account with Halifax.
Trans rights are human rights and I fully support Halifax in this. They are demonstrating the real way to be a corporate ally – not just putting a pride flag on your products for a week!
Why does it need to be her/hers, isn’t that the same thing? Not against it or anything like that just don’t understand why
Well yeah, anyone can close their accounts at any time?
Businesses calling people’s bluff over stuff like this is possibly one of the most satisfying things in the world for me.
Like, the literal purpose of a name badge is to tell people what to call you?
It honestly makes sense for those who have preferred pronouns outside of the implied, to show them to make sure there isn’t confusion.
How inclusion at the point of the individual is seen as a point of contention, is baffling.
If the display of pronouns are enough to get you angry, seek help.
Reddit comments are a weird echo chamber
Old man shouts at a cloud
So they did
the funniest bit about this whole thing is the people loudly proclaiming they’re leaving Halifax and moving to a more “sensible” bank without realising most of the other big banks have already had similar policies for ages
Personally I think this is dumb but whatever. Most of my interactions in banks have been at a one to one level and I’ve never had to use a 3rd person term “he told me to go here… she told me to wait”…. Now at my NatWest we have to check in using a qr code if it’s something more complicated and then somebody calls you into a private room. Again, never needed to refer using 3rd person so this seems a bit pointless but if it makes people happy then whatever really.
You can also ignore the badge and continue to use your own agency.
>The trigger for the row was Halifax saying staff *can* wear a name badge displaying preferred personal pronouns **if they wish.**
That right there is the key piece of info. It’s entirely optional. Halifax isn’t imposing this on staff in any way.
If some customers are getting bent out of shape because someone else’s badge has a detail it didn’t have before, my god, they really need to get a life.
Trying to explain to people that customers are more than welcome to close their accounts at any point and that Halifax reminding them they are entitled to do so does not equate to “telling customers to fuck off” or “forcing customers away” or “pushing views on people.”
It’s absolutely hilarious that a name badge displaying personal information that an employee can choose whether to display can influence such an important matter as location of finances.
I’ve never understood the need to display pronouns. If I was trans, and I started wearing dresses and did make up and all that and someone was like “what are your pronouns?” I think I’d be insulted. Like can’t you tell????
As someone living in Halifax, Canada, I was confused for like .5 seconds
Good for them.