I think Labour should go the other way and lean into the increasing sense in the country that “Chaos with Ed Miliband” would have been preferable to where we are now.
Why would any Party in the UK strike a deal with a Party that wants independence from the UK? This story is pointless
They’re gunna strike a deal with the tories in Scotland.
>Starmer
>Pledge
Starmer 3 days ago: “if you don’t change your views you’ll never succeed”
Starmer today: “Labour will NEVER strike deal with SNP”
The man is a walking mess of claims and statements.
I’m tired Robbie
For God’s sake why not? Surely anything to put a stop to the criminal damage the Tories are doing to the country and its people?
Shor hot on this policy, Mister Invisible on everything else.
When will he realise he can’t outbid Johnson with the media?? Paul Dacre, Daily Mail Chief, got a seat in the House of Lords after the pushback when Boris tried to make him head of OFCOM.
Whatever one thinks of the SNP or Scottish independence generally (I am personally strongly opposed), it makes no sense for Labour to agree to any deal from a political perspective – doubly so if the SNP go into the next election trying to make it a de-facto referendum on secession.
First, the Conservatives used the prospect of a Labour-SNP deal to a ridiculously effective extent in 2015 and avoiding a repeat of that is crucial to Starmer convincing English voters that Labour are a credible government.
Secondly, Labour wants to win seats in Scotland. The more seats Labour win in Scotland, the closer they get to a majority and the less they need to rely on other parties. Scottish politics is, in general, very polarised by the constitutional question and each of the three major unionist parties rely on unionist tactical voting a lot more than they’d like to admit. The second Labour show any weakness on the SNP question, the Scottish Tories get to hammer them repeatedly and it makes it a lot harder for them to get the tactical votes they need to win seats (and every seat Labour needs to gain is against the SNP, so there’s no potential for SNP voters to replace those lost unionist votes).
This actually brings me one step closer to voting Labour, from my current position of either drawing a dick on my ballot paper or just not voting at all. I was afraid a Labour minority might lead to a deal.
I couldn’t accept the country being ruled by a party that barely 8% of the population even has the *option* to vote for, let alone actually votes for. It was awful when the DUP propped up the Tories and it would be awful if the SNP propped up Labour.
Remember democracy transcends time and circumstance. The Tories have tried to legitimise anti-democratic practices like politicians making deals amongst themselves to decide who gets to be in power. We should be fighting them. Deals like this only serve to sustain our corrupt, broken system. We need real reform.
Not like labour are relevent in Scotland, and this just makes it harder for them to get a majority. Could easily get 45+ SNP seats in a coalition if a legal referendum was promised.
No party, EVER! says “oh we gonna make a deal”. It’s makes you look week, makes you look like you’re resigned to failing the election.
The Tories say the same thing and they’ve had two coalition governments in the last decade
This isn’t news.
As much as I hate the work of this Tory government I am still not convinced that current Labour would be a better option.
When you see how shit they are at being an opposition party (which is the ‘easiest’ place to be in) you have to wonder how they would do in government.
What a shame.
I’ll believe you. Thousands wouldn’t.
Pre election: you must vote for us, no slippage allowed.
Post election: right let’s form this coalition.
Pretty standard really.
Well have fun with the next tory government peeps
Good, the last thing we need is another single market disrupted
Good. Don’t let the Tories reignite the attack line, in 2015 it proper did Labour in, mainly because by the time he tried to counter it nobody believed him.
And the implications of a unionist party forming a government with a nationalist party would generally be frowned on.
The SNP are Tory enablers of the highest calibre, 1979 etc.
What deal could you possibly strike with us when you have 1 seat in Scottish Parliament. Fuck off Keir! Tory appeasing prick.
Eh it’s only a pledge. Everyone knows those go right out the window the instant they become inconvenient.
Labour are so dumb it hurts. Why are they so afraid of a referendum? If the UK is so amazing then it is an easy win. Get a deal with SNP have the ref ASAP after the election and when the result is a no the SNP would be in a bad place after loosing twice. Could well be the key to being in power and ending the indy movement.
I hate Starmer more than is probably healthy but any Labour leader would probably have to say this
Would the SNP be open to a deal with Labour? If they are not open to that then the feeling is mutual anyway. Scotland will also go independent at some point or another as it is, meaning Labour are going to need to learn to win without their help as it is.
Well that’s a mistake
That is complete bullshit, if labour and the SNP had a majority between them we would have a referendum quicker than you can say “politicians are trustworthy”
Starmer is Tory in disguise
Labour are a bunch of clowns. And who votes for clowns? Cunts.
He is probably not understanding meaning of the word “pledge”…
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I think Labour should go the other way and lean into the increasing sense in the country that “Chaos with Ed Miliband” would have been preferable to where we are now.
Why would any Party in the UK strike a deal with a Party that wants independence from the UK? This story is pointless
They’re gunna strike a deal with the tories in Scotland.
>Starmer
>Pledge
Starmer 3 days ago: “if you don’t change your views you’ll never succeed”
Starmer today: “Labour will NEVER strike deal with SNP”
The man is a walking mess of claims and statements.
I’m tired Robbie
For God’s sake why not? Surely anything to put a stop to the criminal damage the Tories are doing to the country and its people?
Shor hot on this policy, Mister Invisible on everything else.
When will he realise he can’t outbid Johnson with the media?? Paul Dacre, Daily Mail Chief, got a seat in the House of Lords after the pushback when Boris tried to make him head of OFCOM.
Whatever one thinks of the SNP or Scottish independence generally (I am personally strongly opposed), it makes no sense for Labour to agree to any deal from a political perspective – doubly so if the SNP go into the next election trying to make it a de-facto referendum on secession.
First, the Conservatives used the prospect of a Labour-SNP deal to a ridiculously effective extent in 2015 and avoiding a repeat of that is crucial to Starmer convincing English voters that Labour are a credible government.
Secondly, Labour wants to win seats in Scotland. The more seats Labour win in Scotland, the closer they get to a majority and the less they need to rely on other parties. Scottish politics is, in general, very polarised by the constitutional question and each of the three major unionist parties rely on unionist tactical voting a lot more than they’d like to admit. The second Labour show any weakness on the SNP question, the Scottish Tories get to hammer them repeatedly and it makes it a lot harder for them to get the tactical votes they need to win seats (and every seat Labour needs to gain is against the SNP, so there’s no potential for SNP voters to replace those lost unionist votes).
This actually brings me one step closer to voting Labour, from my current position of either drawing a dick on my ballot paper or just not voting at all. I was afraid a Labour minority might lead to a deal.
I couldn’t accept the country being ruled by a party that barely 8% of the population even has the *option* to vote for, let alone actually votes for. It was awful when the DUP propped up the Tories and it would be awful if the SNP propped up Labour.
Remember democracy transcends time and circumstance. The Tories have tried to legitimise anti-democratic practices like politicians making deals amongst themselves to decide who gets to be in power. We should be fighting them. Deals like this only serve to sustain our corrupt, broken system. We need real reform.
Not like labour are relevent in Scotland, and this just makes it harder for them to get a majority. Could easily get 45+ SNP seats in a coalition if a legal referendum was promised.
No party, EVER! says “oh we gonna make a deal”. It’s makes you look week, makes you look like you’re resigned to failing the election.
The Tories say the same thing and they’ve had two coalition governments in the last decade
This isn’t news.
As much as I hate the work of this Tory government I am still not convinced that current Labour would be a better option.
When you see how shit they are at being an opposition party (which is the ‘easiest’ place to be in) you have to wonder how they would do in government.
What a shame.
I’ll believe you. Thousands wouldn’t.
Pre election: you must vote for us, no slippage allowed.
Post election: right let’s form this coalition.
Pretty standard really.
Well have fun with the next tory government peeps
Good, the last thing we need is another single market disrupted
Good. Don’t let the Tories reignite the attack line, in 2015 it proper did Labour in, mainly because by the time he tried to counter it nobody believed him.
And the implications of a unionist party forming a government with a nationalist party would generally be frowned on.
The SNP are Tory enablers of the highest calibre, 1979 etc.
What deal could you possibly strike with us when you have 1 seat in Scottish Parliament. Fuck off Keir! Tory appeasing prick.
Eh it’s only a pledge. Everyone knows those go right out the window the instant they become inconvenient.
Labour are so dumb it hurts. Why are they so afraid of a referendum? If the UK is so amazing then it is an easy win. Get a deal with SNP have the ref ASAP after the election and when the result is a no the SNP would be in a bad place after loosing twice. Could well be the key to being in power and ending the indy movement.
I hate Starmer more than is probably healthy but any Labour leader would probably have to say this
Would the SNP be open to a deal with Labour? If they are not open to that then the feeling is mutual anyway. Scotland will also go independent at some point or another as it is, meaning Labour are going to need to learn to win without their help as it is.
Well that’s a mistake
That is complete bullshit, if labour and the SNP had a majority between them we would have a referendum quicker than you can say “politicians are trustworthy”
Starmer is Tory in disguise
Labour are a bunch of clowns. And who votes for clowns? Cunts.
He is probably not understanding meaning of the word “pledge”…