Black lads going around killing black lads going around conspiring to get revenge. Must be racism.
Fury as black criminals found that playing the race card didn’t save them from going to prison.
Gg noobs lol
I don’t understand the “fury”, this is a clear crime. They conspired to commit violent acts in a gc and then some people in the gc committed violent acts.
They talk about the defendants good character, but that doesn’t alleviate you from prosecution. It can (and I assume will) reduce sentencing however.
Prosecuting criminal conspiracies is not “thought policing”. These activist groups are fucking shameless with their weaponising accusations of racism, glad most decent people see right through it.
Eight years for spending 14 minutes in a chat. Being angry and saying shit about the people who murdered your friend should not be a crime.
I thought this sort of premeditation has to be pretty advanced to fulfill a crime. Where is the actus reus in 11 messages? Would have to read more. I am not familiar with conspiracy
I personally want to know if any of the people defending these lads think that the Met officer should’ve been jailed for making jokes about George Floyd. As for my own opinion, much like that officer, these guys shouldn’t be imprisoned – but the “RaCiSm” card is bollocks.
Laughable. These anti-racism campaigners need to pick better battles.
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If you don’t want to get arrested, how about you don’t plot violent attacks online.
>Adedeji contributed 11 out of the chat’s 345 messages. One saw him pass on the postcode of one of Soyoye’s killers. They were never attacked but were ultimately convicted of Soyoye’s murder.
Theres one adding an address to the planning of a crime
>Savi also wrote 11 out of the 345 messages, taking part in the chat for 14 minutes. In one post, he suggested “napping” (kidnapping) the cousin of one of Soyoye’s killers and taking his phone away so that he could not contact others.
so one of these isn’t even justifiable as revenge since it’s targeting an innocent person
the other 2 must have done something more because they got done for conspiracy to murder:
>Oni, Jitobah and two others – Jeffrey Ojo and Gideon Kalumda – were found guilty of conspiracy to murder. Oni, Ojo and Kalumda were sentenced to 21 years. Jitobah received a 20-year sentence.
if this was guilt by association why are they specifically convicted of different crimes exactly?
And the judge even specifically stated that they had individually committed the crime:
>But the judge stressed: “The defendants were not in a joint enterprise; they were each principal parties playing a full role in committing the offence of a criminal conspiracy either to kill others or to intentionally cause them grievous bodily harm.”
Guardian shilling for teens jailed over planning murder on Telegram, implies it’s a ‘thought crime’ yet is weirdly silent over the people jailed for memes, insults, bad jokes and other ‘offensive communications’ on the same platform.
I think the article has a good point, but fails to make it clear.
The point is that “guilt by association” is usually used against black people, making this a highly racist legal concept, not in theory, but in practice. And it does not matter whether you look at “gang crimes”, “conspiracy to”, “joint enterprise” etc. You always find that black people as subject to these legal concepts a lot more than white people.
I also find 8 years excessive, given the circumstances. Which is another point of systematic racism: black defendants often receive longer punishments for the same crime. I think we should be better than that.
>None of those named as targets in the Telegram chat were hurt, though three of the defendants went on to violently attack two other boys using machetes and a car as a weapon.
I mean someone making threats who also violently attacked others isn’t a thought crime. It’s proactive policing to avoid it escalating to murder.
Does anyone know how the police got the Telegram chat?
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Black lads going around killing black lads going around conspiring to get revenge. Must be racism.
Fury as black criminals found that playing the race card didn’t save them from going to prison.
Gg noobs lol
I don’t understand the “fury”, this is a clear crime. They conspired to commit violent acts in a gc and then some people in the gc committed violent acts.
They talk about the defendants good character, but that doesn’t alleviate you from prosecution. It can (and I assume will) reduce sentencing however.
Prosecuting criminal conspiracies is not “thought policing”. These activist groups are fucking shameless with their weaponising accusations of racism, glad most decent people see right through it.
Eight years for spending 14 minutes in a chat. Being angry and saying shit about the people who murdered your friend should not be a crime.
I thought this sort of premeditation has to be pretty advanced to fulfill a crime. Where is the actus reus in 11 messages? Would have to read more. I am not familiar with conspiracy
I personally want to know if any of the people defending these lads think that the Met officer should’ve been jailed for making jokes about George Floyd. As for my own opinion, much like that officer, these guys shouldn’t be imprisoned – but the “RaCiSm” card is bollocks.
Laughable. These anti-racism campaigners need to pick better battles.
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If you don’t want to get arrested, how about you don’t plot violent attacks online.
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>Adedeji contributed 11 out of the chat’s 345 messages. One saw him pass on the postcode of one of Soyoye’s killers. They were never attacked but were ultimately convicted of Soyoye’s murder.
Theres one adding an address to the planning of a crime
>Savi also wrote 11 out of the 345 messages, taking part in the chat for 14 minutes. In one post, he suggested “napping” (kidnapping) the cousin of one of Soyoye’s killers and taking his phone away so that he could not contact others.
so one of these isn’t even justifiable as revenge since it’s targeting an innocent person
the other 2 must have done something more because they got done for conspiracy to murder:
>Oni, Jitobah and two others – Jeffrey Ojo and Gideon Kalumda – were found guilty of conspiracy to murder. Oni, Ojo and Kalumda were sentenced to 21 years. Jitobah received a 20-year sentence.
if this was guilt by association why are they specifically convicted of different crimes exactly?
And the judge even specifically stated that they had individually committed the crime:
>But the judge stressed: “The defendants were not in a joint enterprise; they were each principal parties playing a full role in committing the offence of a criminal conspiracy either to kill others or to intentionally cause them grievous bodily harm.”
Guardian shilling for teens jailed over planning murder on Telegram, implies it’s a ‘thought crime’ yet is weirdly silent over the people jailed for memes, insults, bad jokes and other ‘offensive communications’ on the same platform.
I think the article has a good point, but fails to make it clear.
The point is that “guilt by association” is usually used against black people, making this a highly racist legal concept, not in theory, but in practice. And it does not matter whether you look at “gang crimes”, “conspiracy to”, “joint enterprise” etc. You always find that black people as subject to these legal concepts a lot more than white people.
I also find 8 years excessive, given the circumstances. Which is another point of systematic racism: black defendants often receive longer punishments for the same crime. I think we should be better than that.
>None of those named as targets in the Telegram chat were hurt, though three of the defendants went on to violently attack two other boys using machetes and a car as a weapon.
I mean someone making threats who also violently attacked others isn’t a thought crime. It’s proactive policing to avoid it escalating to murder.
Does anyone know how the police got the Telegram chat?