A horrible situation born out of sheer blind hope and the inability to come to terms with a tragedy. I really feel for his parents.
However I do hope his parents consent to him being on the organ donor register to save the lives of others and to stop other parents going through similar anguish.
>”Archie’s parents believe that the time and manner of his death should
be determined by God and claim a right to pray for a miracle until and
unless that happens. That belief must be respected.”
Not to be crass but turn all his machines off and see if god intends him to die.
Why don’t they just turn his machines off and see where their faith gets them then?
Must be terrible for the parent going through this.
It would appear god has already made his decision and its now science and the parents denial that’s keeping him alive.
This all seems so cruel, the poor child. I just hope he can’t feel anything.
A lot of people bringing up God and faith but I can see many parents of no religion in the same situation refusing to give up regardless of what they’re told. It’s a dreadful situation.
Hopefully this wont reach the point that the whole ‘Alfies army’ thing did a bit back. That was just a mess.
Oh boy
Such a sad situation but prolonging the inevitable is fucked up. People needs those beds.
I understand the family’s wish that they want him to be alive, anyone in the same situation would be exactly the same. However, the boy is clearly dead, even if he isn’t, his brain is so badly damaged this will be his life. How is that good for anyone?
Let the poor kid go. As shit and horrible as that is, it’s best for him.
Something needs to be done to stop these stories from getting to this point. Either the media needs to reign it in or we need more legal protection for hospital staff. Remember the whole “Alfie’s Army” stuff? People were breaking into hospitals and threatening the doctors and nurses. Imagine dedicating your life to helping sick children and having to deal with threats from people who think you’re a heartless killer.
It’s an awful situation and I understand them wanting to do everything they can, if only to be able to look themselves in the mirror afterwards.
I think their newfound faith is because they are trying to use the Human Rights Act to find a legal case, rather than because they actually think God should decide.
I’d like to say I would be fully logical in this scenario but I don’t think many people truly understand what they’re going through.
Forgive what might be a potentially dumb question but what happens if the High Court throw this out or conclude there is no grounds to prolong treatment?
Does that then enable the hospital staff to cease all treatment keeping the lad ‘alive’ (insofar as he can be alive at the moment)? Or can the parents continue to resist any efforts to withdraw treatment?
I really feel for the parents, but his brain is literally liquified and has run down to his spine. It’s all in the last ruling. He will never wake up again, because he is dead. The people on Facebook who keep feeding the mother with lies and conspiracies should be ashamed of themselves.
This case is tragic but people are putting the family through more shit and causing them to suffer more by endorsing their desperation and encouraging them to fight against professional medical assessments that he will not recover. They need maximum support for having lost their child, but they need to lose this court shit.
While this is sad, and is painful for the parents, the brain is dead. This means neurons have died in key areas, particularly the brain stem which controls breathing, heart and many other base functions required to live. That’s not even considering any other damage. Their beliefs do not supersede evidence that this is not recoverable. Prolonging this is just extending their pain, while attempting to put it off. Secondly this is taking up valuable NHS resources that could be used for many patients; equipment, drugs, medical professionals, money for legal expenses. At this point they are doing a significant amount of harm, which I would expect to not be with Christian values.
In terms of religion, we could interpret this as a message that has been delivered. And if it is a test, they are currently failing. This is probably too harsh, I’m not religious myself anymore, I apologise if I offend anyone.
I’m a parent and this is horrific, no parent should have to face this, but to allow your child to linger on machines to avoid your grief is cruel. He’s gone, let him go.
They’re wasting time at this point
Let the poor boy go
The fact it’s got to this stage in terms of media profile is just a reflection of this weird obligation to “respect” every moronic and flat out inaccurate “opinion” on every subject. If the herberts pushing this hadn’t been humoured in their bs on economics, diplomacy, virology, climate change etc they might not feel quite so emboldened to try and debate neurologists on a kid’s brain injury, and the parents might have seen sense and perspective
As much as people want it to be a religious decision at heart, faith here is being used as a means to get what they want.
Ultimately, humans desire to love something and keep it forever always seems to blind people. Noone wants a child to die, so the obvious thing to do, if they can, is to keep the child alive at all costs. Imo it’s selfish.
I would wonder if this was private health care and the doctors said ” it’s costing yoh £55,000 a day to keep your child alive, can you pay? No? Sorry… *click*….
The courts should take into account the fact that resources that are needed elsewhere are being taken up by a child who is already dead, which means not only are the parents prolonging the suffering, but also potentially causing harm to others as well. God has made his decision, he is dead. Technically the parents are defying God’s decision by dragging this out.
Sorry to say but this has belittled our NHS…… Every nurse, doctor, specialist, neurosurgeon, sonographer and so on have gave their reports and already had to go through a court case whilst keeping the remaining bits of the body alive and working best they can.
I feel deeply sorry for the poor doctors and nurses being forced to keep a dead kids heart beating whilst this drags on especially as they’re constantly being accused of neglect. It must be extremely distressing for them and quite frankly he is probably starting to smell at this stage.
JFC, let the poor kid rest, he’s functionally brain dead. At a certain point no, we don’t have to respect your feelings or beliefs.
That aside, what’s the cost of keeping him alive? In a time whwre the NHS is stretched thin surely those resources could be put to better use elsewhere.
SCIENCE is keeping him alive and SCIENCE is also saying he’s dead.
You shouldn’t rely and trust something to help you and then not respect it when it is saying its time to let go.
If it’s down to god then the machines need to go sadly.
I’ve got an agreement with my mum where if anything like this should happen to us (and I hope to god it doesn’t) we would let the other die with dignity rather than prolonging the inevitable (or if we survived but had no quality of life)
I was so sympathetic to his parents at the beginning until they started putting up pictures of the poor boy.They are also raising money for legal and medical expenses but the case is pro bond and nhs costs nothing.The mother is appearing on TV all the time when really she should be with her son.The poor boy deserves a peaceful end the machines are keeping him alive if he was just in a coma yes treat him but sadly his brain has died so let him rest.
As a parent of a dead child, I think these parents are absolute nut jobs.
The doctors told us he had showed no brain function, his body was not responding to treatment. He would have never left that machine or grown or moved or anything. It took less than a second to agree with the doctors that we remove life support because he had nothing to live for.
To have kept him “alive” would have been hugely selfish.
When the ventilator was removed, he let out one last gasp and it was crystal clear that 5 seconds earlier he was a dead body being forced to breathe.
And not to be the asshole, but it’s over £100K a year to care for a vegetative patient. If the kid is brain dead, as every report indicates, then give him the dignity of death and allow that money to be put to better use helping other kids that need it
I really feel for his parents, but please stop hiding behind religion and God to prolong people’s suffering.
Archie’s brain stem is dead. His brain will never recover. He is essentially already dead and nothing can change that.
Every day he is just being kept alive by machines. If you remove those, his body will give out and he will pass away.
As awful as this situation is, it’s a lot worse to just leave people in hospital beds wired up to machines, when there is no hope of recovery. I’ve already explained to my partner/family that if I’m ever in this situation, you just pull the plug and free up the bed again.
Fucking morons, this is the type of shit I’d expect to happen in America.
The one thing here is that while all this debate is going on that little lad has wasted away to virtually nothing & is laying in shit filled nappies as his body is unable to process the IV nutrition they are obliged to feed him. All while the mother is accusing them of starving Archie. She says his blood pressure rises when spoken to by a friend?! The staff are being very affected by seeing him in such a sorry state.
His mother needs to be commended for her attempts at resuscitation at the scene, but a lot of guilt & denial ( a perhaps a hint of attention seeking) are underpinning the need to go all through the appeal system.
It’s horrific that the CLC have got their claws into her: they don’t give a toss about Archie.
I wish them well, and I applaud the efforts of the staff but he’s just being kept warm & wet by machine. I don’t know if his organs would be in a condition to donate at this stage.
Reading the report, even to a layman , it’s clear to see he’s gone.
Please stop wasting the time and resources of our courts and NHS.
This is a disgrace. Someone needs to intervene here. His mum’s a fruit loop who seemingly can’t get her story straight about what actually happened in the minutes leading up to his untimely demise and she’s posting pictures of him clearly wasting away all while setting up fundraisersand claiming the hospital staff and starving him and neglecting him…
Courts needs to stop pissing around. Police need to investigate the mother. It’s a joke.
Time to fully secularise the UK
“Parents extend the torture of their child for at least a few more months”
I had sympathy at the beginning but they are either completely delusional or genuinely evil at this point, this is fucking sick and twisted
Jfc this is going too far now. I understand they’re grieving but if my loved one’s brain was rotting I think I know what I’d do..
Oh for fuck’s sake, the boy’s been dead for months! Use your sodding brains! Your god isn’t going to miraculously save someone whose brain has rotted into mush from a case of being dead. If you really think so, why don’t you *actually* leave it up to your god- take out the science keeping him alive- and see where that gets you.
The judge’s initial ruling said that the nurses are having ethical and moral problems with continuing “care” to the point of being very upset and not wanting to continue on his ward. Feels like if the medical professionals who are doing the day to day care are morally injured by the situation, the situation is, uh, bad.
I feel terrible for this kid. Preteen onset depression is awful to deal with even with a supportive family and it seems like he wasn’t listened to while alive. And the vultures encouraging his parents to drag this on are hurting them. This is going to be a prolonged traumatic event, there are going to be tabloid freaks and religious nuts and trolls bothering the family for years on end, and the Christian legal counsel or whatever are going to be making money off of them. Just absolutely repugnant to be extending the torture of this family’s grief.
I do feel for the parents, at least i did, but now this is just sad. The boy comitted suicide, its high time they accepted that. As sad as it is, they are now keeping their boy ‘alive’, but his brain is mush and rotting
Thats not a good legacy for their son. Once this horrific episode is over i believe it would be a good idea to dig a little deeper and investigate the mother
Its just so sad watching the mother cling onto this. Her boy is dead, he clearly comitted suicide by hanging, he had to be cut down, there isnt an online challenge, he is rotting in hospital.
Its high time his mother stopped this and accepted her son, sadly for whatever reason, comitted suicide or at least tried to and this is why hes in this situation. His mother could do with focusing on why this happened.
Investigate the mother and the religious group thats keeping this madness going.
I feel incresibly sorry for the parents, but this is now cringe. The poor people in hospital keeping this kids organs functioning by machine whilst his brain rots cant be a good thing.
And these dickheads on her facebook group feeding her consipracy theories, its tragic beyond belief.
Her son is dead.
There doesn’t seem to be anything to appeal here. What new evidence is there? What new legal point? Because if there isn’t something then they’re just shopping for a more sympathetic judge…
Not quite the same situation but on the 28th May this year my 22 year old son was hit by a car and suffered internal injuries and severe head injuries and the hospital were brilliant and really gave him a fighting chance but told us that it’s not looking good and if he did ever wake up the damage to his brain would mean he wouldn’t be the son we knew, there was a tiny bit of hope but he just wasn’t responding as they had hoped and on the 31st May his heart stopped and he was gone. Devastated doesn’t even begin to describe how me and his dad and his 12 year old sister are still feeling right now, he wasn’t a child but he was my child and it’s not something I would wish on anyone and as much as it still hurts I’m glad he passed on his own rather than us having to make that choice but I would have made the right choice for my son at the end of the day however much I didn’t want to let him go.
The people smearing the NHS and it’s doctors/nurses over decisions like this over Facebook were the same ones clapping during lockdown. Decisions are made in situations like this because it’s in the best interest of the patient – they don’t unplug people with brain activity. Fighting gives people hope which sometimes turns grief into anger.
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A horrible situation born out of sheer blind hope and the inability to come to terms with a tragedy. I really feel for his parents.
However I do hope his parents consent to him being on the organ donor register to save the lives of others and to stop other parents going through similar anguish.
>”Archie’s parents believe that the time and manner of his death should
be determined by God and claim a right to pray for a miracle until and
unless that happens. That belief must be respected.”
Not to be crass but turn all his machines off and see if god intends him to die.
Why don’t they just turn his machines off and see where their faith gets them then?
Must be terrible for the parent going through this.
It would appear god has already made his decision and its now science and the parents denial that’s keeping him alive.
This all seems so cruel, the poor child. I just hope he can’t feel anything.
A lot of people bringing up God and faith but I can see many parents of no religion in the same situation refusing to give up regardless of what they’re told. It’s a dreadful situation.
Hopefully this wont reach the point that the whole ‘Alfies army’ thing did a bit back. That was just a mess.
Oh boy
Such a sad situation but prolonging the inevitable is fucked up. People needs those beds.
I understand the family’s wish that they want him to be alive, anyone in the same situation would be exactly the same. However, the boy is clearly dead, even if he isn’t, his brain is so badly damaged this will be his life. How is that good for anyone?
Let the poor kid go. As shit and horrible as that is, it’s best for him.
Something needs to be done to stop these stories from getting to this point. Either the media needs to reign it in or we need more legal protection for hospital staff. Remember the whole “Alfie’s Army” stuff? People were breaking into hospitals and threatening the doctors and nurses. Imagine dedicating your life to helping sick children and having to deal with threats from people who think you’re a heartless killer.
It’s an awful situation and I understand them wanting to do everything they can, if only to be able to look themselves in the mirror afterwards.
I think their newfound faith is because they are trying to use the Human Rights Act to find a legal case, rather than because they actually think God should decide.
I’d like to say I would be fully logical in this scenario but I don’t think many people truly understand what they’re going through.
Forgive what might be a potentially dumb question but what happens if the High Court throw this out or conclude there is no grounds to prolong treatment?
Does that then enable the hospital staff to cease all treatment keeping the lad ‘alive’ (insofar as he can be alive at the moment)? Or can the parents continue to resist any efforts to withdraw treatment?
I really feel for the parents, but his brain is literally liquified and has run down to his spine. It’s all in the last ruling. He will never wake up again, because he is dead. The people on Facebook who keep feeding the mother with lies and conspiracies should be ashamed of themselves.
This case is tragic but people are putting the family through more shit and causing them to suffer more by endorsing their desperation and encouraging them to fight against professional medical assessments that he will not recover. They need maximum support for having lost their child, but they need to lose this court shit.
While this is sad, and is painful for the parents, the brain is dead. This means neurons have died in key areas, particularly the brain stem which controls breathing, heart and many other base functions required to live. That’s not even considering any other damage. Their beliefs do not supersede evidence that this is not recoverable. Prolonging this is just extending their pain, while attempting to put it off. Secondly this is taking up valuable NHS resources that could be used for many patients; equipment, drugs, medical professionals, money for legal expenses. At this point they are doing a significant amount of harm, which I would expect to not be with Christian values.
In terms of religion, we could interpret this as a message that has been delivered. And if it is a test, they are currently failing. This is probably too harsh, I’m not religious myself anymore, I apologise if I offend anyone.
I’m a parent and this is horrific, no parent should have to face this, but to allow your child to linger on machines to avoid your grief is cruel. He’s gone, let him go.
They’re wasting time at this point
Let the poor boy go
The fact it’s got to this stage in terms of media profile is just a reflection of this weird obligation to “respect” every moronic and flat out inaccurate “opinion” on every subject. If the herberts pushing this hadn’t been humoured in their bs on economics, diplomacy, virology, climate change etc they might not feel quite so emboldened to try and debate neurologists on a kid’s brain injury, and the parents might have seen sense and perspective
As much as people want it to be a religious decision at heart, faith here is being used as a means to get what they want.
Ultimately, humans desire to love something and keep it forever always seems to blind people. Noone wants a child to die, so the obvious thing to do, if they can, is to keep the child alive at all costs. Imo it’s selfish.
I would wonder if this was private health care and the doctors said ” it’s costing yoh £55,000 a day to keep your child alive, can you pay? No? Sorry… *click*….
The courts should take into account the fact that resources that are needed elsewhere are being taken up by a child who is already dead, which means not only are the parents prolonging the suffering, but also potentially causing harm to others as well. God has made his decision, he is dead. Technically the parents are defying God’s decision by dragging this out.
Sorry to say but this has belittled our NHS…… Every nurse, doctor, specialist, neurosurgeon, sonographer and so on have gave their reports and already had to go through a court case whilst keeping the remaining bits of the body alive and working best they can.
I feel deeply sorry for the poor doctors and nurses being forced to keep a dead kids heart beating whilst this drags on especially as they’re constantly being accused of neglect. It must be extremely distressing for them and quite frankly he is probably starting to smell at this stage.
JFC, let the poor kid rest, he’s functionally brain dead. At a certain point no, we don’t have to respect your feelings or beliefs.
That aside, what’s the cost of keeping him alive? In a time whwre the NHS is stretched thin surely those resources could be put to better use elsewhere.
SCIENCE is keeping him alive and SCIENCE is also saying he’s dead.
You shouldn’t rely and trust something to help you and then not respect it when it is saying its time to let go.
If it’s down to god then the machines need to go sadly.
I’ve got an agreement with my mum where if anything like this should happen to us (and I hope to god it doesn’t) we would let the other die with dignity rather than prolonging the inevitable (or if we survived but had no quality of life)
I was so sympathetic to his parents at the beginning until they started putting up pictures of the poor boy.They are also raising money for legal and medical expenses but the case is pro bond and nhs costs nothing.The mother is appearing on TV all the time when really she should be with her son.The poor boy deserves a peaceful end the machines are keeping him alive if he was just in a coma yes treat him but sadly his brain has died so let him rest.
As a parent of a dead child, I think these parents are absolute nut jobs.
The doctors told us he had showed no brain function, his body was not responding to treatment. He would have never left that machine or grown or moved or anything. It took less than a second to agree with the doctors that we remove life support because he had nothing to live for.
To have kept him “alive” would have been hugely selfish.
When the ventilator was removed, he let out one last gasp and it was crystal clear that 5 seconds earlier he was a dead body being forced to breathe.
And not to be the asshole, but it’s over £100K a year to care for a vegetative patient. If the kid is brain dead, as every report indicates, then give him the dignity of death and allow that money to be put to better use helping other kids that need it
I really feel for his parents, but please stop hiding behind religion and God to prolong people’s suffering.
Archie’s brain stem is dead. His brain will never recover. He is essentially already dead and nothing can change that.
Every day he is just being kept alive by machines. If you remove those, his body will give out and he will pass away.
As awful as this situation is, it’s a lot worse to just leave people in hospital beds wired up to machines, when there is no hope of recovery. I’ve already explained to my partner/family that if I’m ever in this situation, you just pull the plug and free up the bed again.
Fucking morons, this is the type of shit I’d expect to happen in America.
The one thing here is that while all this debate is going on that little lad has wasted away to virtually nothing & is laying in shit filled nappies as his body is unable to process the IV nutrition they are obliged to feed him. All while the mother is accusing them of starving Archie. She says his blood pressure rises when spoken to by a friend?! The staff are being very affected by seeing him in such a sorry state.
His mother needs to be commended for her attempts at resuscitation at the scene, but a lot of guilt & denial ( a perhaps a hint of attention seeking) are underpinning the need to go all through the appeal system.
It’s horrific that the CLC have got their claws into her: they don’t give a toss about Archie.
I wish them well, and I applaud the efforts of the staff but he’s just being kept warm & wet by machine. I don’t know if his organs would be in a condition to donate at this stage.
Reading the report, even to a layman , it’s clear to see he’s gone.
Please stop wasting the time and resources of our courts and NHS.
Sincerely,
Fucking everyone
https://www.judiciary.uk/judgments/barts-health-nhs-trust-v-dance-battersbee/
This is a disgrace. Someone needs to intervene here. His mum’s a fruit loop who seemingly can’t get her story straight about what actually happened in the minutes leading up to his untimely demise and she’s posting pictures of him clearly wasting away all while setting up fundraisersand claiming the hospital staff and starving him and neglecting him…
Courts needs to stop pissing around. Police need to investigate the mother. It’s a joke.
Time to fully secularise the UK
“Parents extend the torture of their child for at least a few more months”
I had sympathy at the beginning but they are either completely delusional or genuinely evil at this point, this is fucking sick and twisted
Jfc this is going too far now. I understand they’re grieving but if my loved one’s brain was rotting I think I know what I’d do..
Oh for fuck’s sake, the boy’s been dead for months! Use your sodding brains! Your god isn’t going to miraculously save someone whose brain has rotted into mush from a case of being dead. If you really think so, why don’t you *actually* leave it up to your god- take out the science keeping him alive- and see where that gets you.
The judge’s initial ruling said that the nurses are having ethical and moral problems with continuing “care” to the point of being very upset and not wanting to continue on his ward. Feels like if the medical professionals who are doing the day to day care are morally injured by the situation, the situation is, uh, bad.
I feel terrible for this kid. Preteen onset depression is awful to deal with even with a supportive family and it seems like he wasn’t listened to while alive. And the vultures encouraging his parents to drag this on are hurting them. This is going to be a prolonged traumatic event, there are going to be tabloid freaks and religious nuts and trolls bothering the family for years on end, and the Christian legal counsel or whatever are going to be making money off of them. Just absolutely repugnant to be extending the torture of this family’s grief.
I do feel for the parents, at least i did, but now this is just sad. The boy comitted suicide, its high time they accepted that. As sad as it is, they are now keeping their boy ‘alive’, but his brain is mush and rotting
Thats not a good legacy for their son. Once this horrific episode is over i believe it would be a good idea to dig a little deeper and investigate the mother
Its just so sad watching the mother cling onto this. Her boy is dead, he clearly comitted suicide by hanging, he had to be cut down, there isnt an online challenge, he is rotting in hospital.
Its high time his mother stopped this and accepted her son, sadly for whatever reason, comitted suicide or at least tried to and this is why hes in this situation. His mother could do with focusing on why this happened.
Investigate the mother and the religious group thats keeping this madness going.
I feel incresibly sorry for the parents, but this is now cringe. The poor people in hospital keeping this kids organs functioning by machine whilst his brain rots cant be a good thing.
And these dickheads on her facebook group feeding her consipracy theories, its tragic beyond belief.
Her son is dead.
There doesn’t seem to be anything to appeal here. What new evidence is there? What new legal point? Because if there isn’t something then they’re just shopping for a more sympathetic judge…
Not quite the same situation but on the 28th May this year my 22 year old son was hit by a car and suffered internal injuries and severe head injuries and the hospital were brilliant and really gave him a fighting chance but told us that it’s not looking good and if he did ever wake up the damage to his brain would mean he wouldn’t be the son we knew, there was a tiny bit of hope but he just wasn’t responding as they had hoped and on the 31st May his heart stopped and he was gone. Devastated doesn’t even begin to describe how me and his dad and his 12 year old sister are still feeling right now, he wasn’t a child but he was my child and it’s not something I would wish on anyone and as much as it still hurts I’m glad he passed on his own rather than us having to make that choice but I would have made the right choice for my son at the end of the day however much I didn’t want to let him go.
The people smearing the NHS and it’s doctors/nurses over decisions like this over Facebook were the same ones clapping during lockdown. Decisions are made in situations like this because it’s in the best interest of the patient – they don’t unplug people with brain activity. Fighting gives people hope which sometimes turns grief into anger.