At 71, Richard Brown feels as if he’s a college student all over again.
A nuclear medicine physician turned professor, Brown formally retired in 2020—only to take another job in university leadership the following week and join a venture-backed health care startup. Now, he’s reinventing himself once again, this time as a product entrepreneur—and it has him more excited than ever.
“My hobbies tend to be learning something new,” Brown told Fortune in a recent interview.
“I think I never want to retire,” he added. “Why would you do that? You spent all this time learning something—and things get easier for you when you get older in some ways because you’re a little bit wiser.”
His latest experiment is Poka Snack, a skewer-like product designed to make it easier to freeze and eat fruit, particularly bananas. Earlier this year, Brown launched it on Kickstarter, where it has raised more than 90% of its initial $4,000 goal, and he’s already amassed more than 14,000 TikTok followers.
But for Brown, the venture is more than a frozen skewer business. It’s another opportunity to step outside his comfort zone, learn something unfamiliar, and find the energy that comes with starting over.
“It’s almost like being in college again,” Brown said. “You have that adrenaline flowing. You want to accomplish something.”
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Brown graduated from the University of Michigan’s medical school in 1980 and spent the next two decades in private practice. In 2004, he returned to his alma mater as a professor, while also serving as director of clinical nuclear medicine and molecular imaging in the university’s division of nuclear medicine. He retired from Michigan in 2020.
By then, Brown had spent decades building a career; he could have stepped away and looked back on the patients he treated, the students he taught, and the hefty salary that came with it. Instead, the following Monday he started a new job.
Brown became vice chair of clinical operations at the University of Utah School of Medicine’s department of radiology, a role he held for three years before joining Covera Health, a venture-backed health-tech startup. Today, he serves as the company’s chief health strategy officer.
Still working years after the typical retirement age, constant change and sense of growth is what keeps Brown engaged. Early in a career, he said, much of the work is about learning; eventually, as the job becomes familiar, it can become easier to stop pushing yourself into unfamiliar territory.