So popular were his ideas he led Labour to their most crushing defeat since the 1930’s.
> Andrew Fisher is an English political adviser and researcher, writer, and trade unionist. He served as Director of Policy of the Labour Party, under leader Jeremy Corbyn, from 2015 to 2019
So he’s literally talking about his own work?
Gee, I’m sure he’s totally unbiased in his assessment.
Tell me again why Labour crashed and burned with the worst election result in living memory?
Three big Corbyn ideas that I remember:
– being pro-Brexit and helping the Brexit process along: not a fan of that, sorry. If I wanted that, I’d vote for Boris
– anti-NATO, anti-Trident, blame the West for everything: didn’t age very well
– free broadband: whoopee!
He lost two elections, one of those catastrophically badly and he was one of the most hated UK politicians in decades.
LOL, if that were the case he won have won the GE, not got absolutely hammered
Corbyn was a victim of the unrelenting negative press coverage, today it’s Boris, I’m getting a bit sick of the press reporting on cake and beers.
Report more on policies not personalities.
How does anyone know what his ideas are?
There is a general assumption that he is a more or less a radical socilaist, although I’m not entirely sure why, as I don’t recall him expressing anything that actually resembled a policy statement.
He just stood there smirking while his acolytes chanted “Ooh Jeremy Corbyn”, inexplicably and tunelessly.
Ian Dale on LBC last night was talking about Corbyn… so strange.
They’re obsessed with Corbyn because he was an unpopular scarecrow, easy to strawman and they are bereft of charisma and ideas. They can’t go after Starmer for being a crank, so they scream about Corbyn, hoping it sticks to the party rather than the man.
Popular with a handful of staring nutters on the opposition benches. Her Majesties Permanent opposition.
No, his ideas were not popular. Some were, most weren’t. You’re delusional if you think they were.
The public thought, quite rightly, that Corbyn is a genuine good guy and had his policies been popular I think he’d have been a wildly popular PM.
EDF has a complex history. France nationalised in one fell swoop after WW2 but was forced but the EU to sell off some stock. They’ve now used the energy crisis to renationalise.
CoRbYn the communist pacifist
Nope. His ideas were not powerful, sorry
I’m not an expert on how this works so I’m asking, please don’t fuckin kill me. Could Corbyn somehow become Labour leader again? I really liked him and voted for him. Kier is too ‘in the middle’ for me
Really confused where the angle that Corbyn would cooperate more with Russia than Johnson has sprung up from, given Johnson:
* stacked his inner circle with Russian sympathisers and/or people with Russian links, including both DomCum & Carrie
* admits under duress to private meetings with Russia off the record
* has taken multiple Russian donations from the spouses of high-up officials to ‘have dinner’ or ‘play tennis’ with him
* has elevated Russian donors to the British house of lords
* only came out against Putin after the rest of the world had made clear that was the only acceptable behaviour, and still keeps links to dictators like Orban
he has free rent in the mind of every tory
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Good old social democracy, hated by the right wing loonies yet keeps delivering an educated, healthy workforce
They know how useful he was to the Tories in the last election, I’m sad to say.
He’s the bogieman they scared voters with.
I have observed over the past few years that socialist policies seem to be viewed in a similar way to communism – in the US doubly so. I can’t prove it but I suspect a lot of this has to do with those who stand to lose the most if the UK veered to the left politically.
For example, the new chancellor [has made a small fortune](https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/tory-minister-nadhim-zahawi-pockets-25457511) working a second job for an oil firm and I highly doubt he is the only MP who has done something like this in the past and/or has shares in the industry. People like him stand to lose a fortune under a socialist government because even if the energy firms weren’t nationalised, a cap on profits and bills would cost them a lot of money. As a result, the right wing press and others will resort to any means necessary to keep the UK on the right.
I also think social media has a lot to answer for, as well as an observed unwillingness to consider changing one’s point of view. Facebook in particular seems to be home to multiple echo chambers on both sides and through ads, is an extremely powerful platform for influencing public opinion.
I struggle to understand how the working class can vote for the Tories or for that matter Labour when neither are really out to help them. I’ve long since given up on owning my own home and would be quite happy renting a house for a reasonable sum. According to [this article](https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/dark-money-investigations/quarter-tory-mps-are-private-landlords/) 115 Tory MPs are landlords so it’s not in their interest to massively increase the amount of available social housing as this would likely reduce the cost of renting privately. How can anyone who doesn’t profit from private renting seriously say this would be a bad idea?
Corbyn wouldn’t have been a good prime minister and whilst I have enjoyed seeing Starmer wind Johnson up at PMQs I couldn’t vote labour because they’re not left wing enough to make the changes I feel are required in the UK so instead I vote green because I think they’re the best chance we’ve got.
If they were so popular he would have won the election, but unfortunately the UK is a country populated by utter dickheads.
Will people get over this ffs. Obsession with Corbyn will mean we’re stuck with the Tories forever
My problem with Corbyn (and I say this as someone that voted for his Labour Party twice) was his attitude towards NATO and the protective nature of the EU’s economic policy.
Loved his domestic stuff personally.
If this was the case why did Corbyn lead Labour to its largest defeat in history?
I genuinely find Corbyn supporters as delusional as Trump supporters. He was a terrible leader, and just an all round shit person. His ‘whataboutism’ over the Ukraine situation is evidence of that. It wasn’t the fault of the ‘right wing media’, it was the fault of the lunatic wing of the Labour Party allowing someone who was absolutely unelectable to have control of the party for so long.
I think this is a weird take. We keep being told how unpopular brexit was when it won the popular vote… then afterwards we were told how many people regretted it when May started making a hash of it… then still won a majority over corbyn.
Corbyn never looked realistically like achieving power against some of the worst Conservative leaders with the most controversial policies. The wing of the Labour Party that insists on him has split their vote and fucked the party for the last few years. Now that starmer has a chance to win them some moderate votes against a tory party in shambles, I’m sure they’ll fuck that too by raging hard for corbyn.
This is the most reddit bubble article title I’ve ever seen.
Corbyn would have joined the covax scheme which means we wouldn’t have got the vaccine til after everyone else. Corbyn would not have put the uk first which is a politicians job. He would have been pandering to all the minorities and making sure every other country was looked after. We are all evil in his pathetic worl view, and everyone who is evil is just misunderstood. I mean what would his reaction to russia have been? Thank fuck he didn’t get power or we would all have been fucked.
EDIT: and I say that while being completely joyful that Boris is finally gone.
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So popular were his ideas he led Labour to their most crushing defeat since the 1930’s.
> Andrew Fisher is an English political adviser and researcher, writer, and trade unionist. He served as Director of Policy of the Labour Party, under leader Jeremy Corbyn, from 2015 to 2019
So he’s literally talking about his own work?
Gee, I’m sure he’s totally unbiased in his assessment.
Tell me again why Labour crashed and burned with the worst election result in living memory?
Three big Corbyn ideas that I remember:
– being pro-Brexit and helping the Brexit process along: not a fan of that, sorry. If I wanted that, I’d vote for Boris
– anti-NATO, anti-Trident, blame the West for everything: didn’t age very well
– free broadband: whoopee!
He lost two elections, one of those catastrophically badly and he was one of the most hated UK politicians in decades.
LOL, if that were the case he won have won the GE, not got absolutely hammered
Corbyn was a victim of the unrelenting negative press coverage, today it’s Boris, I’m getting a bit sick of the press reporting on cake and beers.
Report more on policies not personalities.
How does anyone know what his ideas are?
There is a general assumption that he is a more or less a radical socilaist, although I’m not entirely sure why, as I don’t recall him expressing anything that actually resembled a policy statement.
He just stood there smirking while his acolytes chanted “Ooh Jeremy Corbyn”, inexplicably and tunelessly.
Ian Dale on LBC last night was talking about Corbyn… so strange.
They’re obsessed with Corbyn because he was an unpopular scarecrow, easy to strawman and they are bereft of charisma and ideas. They can’t go after Starmer for being a crank, so they scream about Corbyn, hoping it sticks to the party rather than the man.
Popular with a handful of staring nutters on the opposition benches. Her Majesties Permanent opposition.
No, his ideas were not popular. Some were, most weren’t. You’re delusional if you think they were.
The public thought, quite rightly, that Corbyn is a genuine good guy and had his policies been popular I think he’d have been a wildly popular PM.
EDF has a complex history. France nationalised in one fell swoop after WW2 but was forced but the EU to sell off some stock. They’ve now used the energy crisis to renationalise.
CoRbYn the communist pacifist
Nope. His ideas were not powerful, sorry
I’m not an expert on how this works so I’m asking, please don’t fuckin kill me. Could Corbyn somehow become Labour leader again? I really liked him and voted for him. Kier is too ‘in the middle’ for me
Really confused where the angle that Corbyn would cooperate more with Russia than Johnson has sprung up from, given Johnson:
* stacked his inner circle with Russian sympathisers and/or people with Russian links, including both DomCum & Carrie
* admits under duress to private meetings with Russia off the record
* has taken multiple Russian donations from the spouses of high-up officials to ‘have dinner’ or ‘play tennis’ with him
* has elevated Russian donors to the British house of lords
* only came out against Putin after the rest of the world had made clear that was the only acceptable behaviour, and still keeps links to dictators like Orban
he has free rent in the mind of every tory
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Good old social democracy, hated by the right wing loonies yet keeps delivering an educated, healthy workforce
They know how useful he was to the Tories in the last election, I’m sad to say.
He’s the bogieman they scared voters with.
I have observed over the past few years that socialist policies seem to be viewed in a similar way to communism – in the US doubly so. I can’t prove it but I suspect a lot of this has to do with those who stand to lose the most if the UK veered to the left politically.
For example, the new chancellor [has made a small fortune](https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/tory-minister-nadhim-zahawi-pockets-25457511) working a second job for an oil firm and I highly doubt he is the only MP who has done something like this in the past and/or has shares in the industry. People like him stand to lose a fortune under a socialist government because even if the energy firms weren’t nationalised, a cap on profits and bills would cost them a lot of money. As a result, the right wing press and others will resort to any means necessary to keep the UK on the right.
I also think social media has a lot to answer for, as well as an observed unwillingness to consider changing one’s point of view. Facebook in particular seems to be home to multiple echo chambers on both sides and through ads, is an extremely powerful platform for influencing public opinion.
I struggle to understand how the working class can vote for the Tories or for that matter Labour when neither are really out to help them. I’ve long since given up on owning my own home and would be quite happy renting a house for a reasonable sum. According to [this article](https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/dark-money-investigations/quarter-tory-mps-are-private-landlords/) 115 Tory MPs are landlords so it’s not in their interest to massively increase the amount of available social housing as this would likely reduce the cost of renting privately. How can anyone who doesn’t profit from private renting seriously say this would be a bad idea?
Corbyn wouldn’t have been a good prime minister and whilst I have enjoyed seeing Starmer wind Johnson up at PMQs I couldn’t vote labour because they’re not left wing enough to make the changes I feel are required in the UK so instead I vote green because I think they’re the best chance we’ve got.
If they were so popular he would have won the election, but unfortunately the UK is a country populated by utter dickheads.
Will people get over this ffs. Obsession with Corbyn will mean we’re stuck with the Tories forever
My problem with Corbyn (and I say this as someone that voted for his Labour Party twice) was his attitude towards NATO and the protective nature of the EU’s economic policy.
Loved his domestic stuff personally.
If this was the case why did Corbyn lead Labour to its largest defeat in history?
I genuinely find Corbyn supporters as delusional as Trump supporters. He was a terrible leader, and just an all round shit person. His ‘whataboutism’ over the Ukraine situation is evidence of that. It wasn’t the fault of the ‘right wing media’, it was the fault of the lunatic wing of the Labour Party allowing someone who was absolutely unelectable to have control of the party for so long.
I think this is a weird take. We keep being told how unpopular brexit was when it won the popular vote… then afterwards we were told how many people regretted it when May started making a hash of it… then still won a majority over corbyn.
Corbyn never looked realistically like achieving power against some of the worst Conservative leaders with the most controversial policies. The wing of the Labour Party that insists on him has split their vote and fucked the party for the last few years. Now that starmer has a chance to win them some moderate votes against a tory party in shambles, I’m sure they’ll fuck that too by raging hard for corbyn.
This is the most reddit bubble article title I’ve ever seen.
Corbyn would have joined the covax scheme which means we wouldn’t have got the vaccine til after everyone else. Corbyn would not have put the uk first which is a politicians job. He would have been pandering to all the minorities and making sure every other country was looked after. We are all evil in his pathetic worl view, and everyone who is evil is just misunderstood. I mean what would his reaction to russia have been? Thank fuck he didn’t get power or we would all have been fucked.
EDIT: and I say that while being completely joyful that Boris is finally gone.