Greetings everyone! I have a question, Does bulgars believe that they come originaly from iran? As an iranian it’s fascinting for me

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  1. As far as i know, we don’t. And to be honest this is the first time I’m seen this and right now i’m having identity crisis and i don’t know who i am anymore. /s

  2. Ancient Bulgars a.k.a proto Bulgars don’t really have much in common with modern Bulgarians who are mostly of Slavic/Thracian/Celtic origin. But yeah, proto Bulgars were either Turkic or Iranian people as far as I know. Not sure though if there is any Bulgar trace left in modern Bulgaria except the name. Even if there is it would be extremely small.

  4. It’s one of the hypothetical theories. The other one, which could pass as the main one is that they were Turkic with some Iranic elements(Sarmatian/Alanic).

  5. Iran didn’t exist back then, it is used as the geo-location, we here say: “proto-bulgarians come from central Asia” which is more accurate.

  6. The Proto-Iranians are believed to have emerged as a separate branch of the Indo-Iranians in Central Asia around the mid-2nd millennium BCE

    As an Asian it is fascinating for me

  9. I here the theory, but most likely the proto Bulgarians are with turkic origin and they come to Europe with hunic invasions. Part of our genome is proto Bulgarian today, but we have also slavic, greek, kumam and many others.

  10. I think this is the Aryan theory of origin of the Bulgarians. God knows where we came from, but I have friends from Iran and it seems we do indeed have common words.

    Balkan is the name of Stara planina. And “gerdan” means necklace.

  11. There are several relevant studies that could shed some light on the origin of the modern-day Bulgarians. Analyzing the Y-chromosome variation, a study published in 2013 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3590186) concludes that “Haplogroups common in the Middle East (J and G) and in South Western Asia (R-L23*) occur at frequencies of 19% and 5%, respectively. Haplogroups C, N and Q, distinctive for Altaic and Central Asian Turkic-speaking populations, occur at the negligible frequency of only 1.5%. Principal Component analyses group Bulgarians with European populations, apart from Central Asian Turkic-speaking groups and South Western Asia populations.”

    Another one comparing the mitochondrial DNA haplogroups published the following PCA plot (https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Comparison-of-mtDNA-haplogroups-between-populations-by-PCA-analysis-Insert-upper-left_fig1_323839943). As you can see from this plot PC1 (principal component 1 or the X-axis) shows that the Bulgarians are closely related to the populations of Italy, Hungary and Greece, while PC2 groups us closely to other eastern European nations.

    The admixture of Iranian genes in both cases is negligible, which clearly demonstrates that the proto-bulgarians were just a small percentage of the people who formed the Bulgarian identity and nationality.

  12. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_studies_on_Bulgarians

    The article in Bulgarian seems more detailed, lots of graphics, etc. The English one seems to answer your question regarding the Bulgars. Keep in mind Bulgars and Bulgarians are different terms.

    tl;dr

    According to antropological and genetic research, around 2.5% of the DNA comes from Northeast Asia:

    Around 4% of Bulgarian genes are derived outside of Europe and the Middle East or are of undetermined origin (by 858 CE), of which 2.3% are from Northeast Asia and correspond to Asian tribes such as Bulgars, a consistent very low frequency for Eastern Europe as far as Uralic-speaking Hungarians. The percentage, however, may vary by regions as the less numerous Bulgars were concentrated around the northeast, failing to settle throughout the country’s numerous tribes as the significant donor tribes.

  13. Not genetically, no. There are some fascinating cultural traits the bulgars shared with us that you also have.

    Ayran for the win 🙂

  14. No offense, but we likely have much more in common with the Thracians than you have with actual persians/aryans. Bulgarians were most likely a mixture of different groups (predominantly aryan) and likely used the turkic language for convenience in certain aspects.

  15. This theory is interesting and is one I have heard before .But I have to say that sadly the true origin of the Bulgar tribes is probably lost to history .One of the problems we have with determining our origin (as far as I know )is that very few burials of Bulgar noblemen (since they had the purest blood, least mixed with Slavs and others ), containing bones have been found .Without bones or remains to DNA test there is no real way to find out . Add to this the fact that the first mention of the Bulgars is from the 4 century and by that time we were already living in what is nowadays Southern Russia and Kazakhstan and that at this time we had no writing system , so we didn’t write anything down ourselves , all we have are other peoples observations of us , which may or may not be fully correct . All this makes finding out the truth hard , if not impossible .

  16. Bulgar turks used to live around crimean peninsula before coming down with all the nomads. But slavic influence is so strong i dont think there is any turkishness left from them. All turkish words are from ottoman times.

  18. the area that it is theorized we are from is quite big and yes specifically east Iran and actually much more Afghanistan is probably where we came from

  20. If you trace the origin of “Tangraa” believe it origins from China so… Bulgarian origin is super questionable. There is a written fact that the first khan to the Bulgarians tribe is “Avitohole” aka Attila. Making it even more problematic. My personal theory is that Bulgarians are a mixed bags of tribes leaded by a main family(tribe) called Bulguar or something along this line. However I have no intrinsic proof this is a fact. Same can be said to any claim of made for the past 50-90 years because of facts that were presented were not solid enough.

    If gene sampling is made a fun fact will be revealed.

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