Life expectancy is just one metric — on which Switzerland does extremely well. Perhaps the additional spending also creates better quality-of-life.
All in all, I’d say it’s a perfectly good look for the Swiss health care system.
Depends how that graph is made. Swiss may pay more money for it, but they receive more in the first place.
And healthcare salaries are higher too. Leading to higher costs for same prestation.
I believe this graph would make much more sense if it showed the percentage of income rather that the total amount.
I am always very skeptical of PPP figures. Adjusted in % of GDP would be easier.
I think the graph actually makes it look better than it is. Swiss health care has one problem, and it’s not availability or quality. It’s the fact that it is stupidly expensive and inefficient. The growth in cost is the real cancer we have to fight.
How do you draw the conclusion that it looks bad?
Didn’t know we had the second highest life expectancy in the world. Pretty cool.
Obviously the longest the expectancy is, the more old people there are. These are the chief consumers of healthcare. Some of the correlation goes in that direction.
Also, the salaries of healthcare workers in Switzerland are high and the Swiss have high expectations as to what is covered by health insurance (I’m not talking about glasses or dental appointments, but multi-million francs cancer treatment, surgical robots, prostheses and the like).
We all agree that the swiss system is expensive, but as a person sitting in a hospital bed right now, i disagree is not a good look for the system as a whole.
We are pretty much grouped with the rest, among the best for life expectancy and costs that are pretty much comparable to the rest
This isn’t really a bad look as we are in the main trend, with many other countries.
This is definitely bad. Old people live too long and costly
/s
This graph is not adjustes by median income… if it was Switzerland would be further to the left
Based on your conclusion, what could be improved?
I remember that Switzerland’s health system has been criticized by the OECD because it was very expensive and the marginal gain in terms of system improvement for every franc invested was very small.
Personally, I think that the care itself is good, everything around a bit wasteful.
I worked at a health insurance. Our system is completely rigged and on the verge of breaking down because of company greed. The companys make millions with investments, complain about the high costs, cut benefits and the monthly fee is raised every year by politicians which get paid plentiful to block any progress in reforming the obligatory health insurance. Santesuisse and Curafutura doing the devils work here.
I work in the medical field and I cringe thinking about how politics tries to lower the costs. Big pharma and bullshit laws prevent this. And they KNOW it. It’s a farce really…
Breaking news: Switzerland is expensive
That graph is cursed at best.
I live in both Switzerland and Spain. Equal life expectancy it seems, but Spain has half the costs.
…it’s BS. I get ill in Spain you better believe I try to do everything to get my ass to Switzerland ASAP. You need “immediate treatment” in Spain you may get you appointment somewhere in the next 4 months.
Life expectancy is not the same as quality. And I would at least ask for what was included in “Health Expenditure”.
The main reason we moved to Switzerland was a fracture in my fathers spine. In Spain he would be considered paraplegic and the story end there. In Switzerland the operation and treatment was covered by their healthcare system.
My father still does sports at 62 and gets to enjoy playing around with his grandchildren. I assume his life expectancy would be the same no matter which way. His health costs obviously became massively higher by going with Switzerland, but I assume you he paid ’em smiling.
Ppl in the comments are super sensitive again. Yes, we have a high life expectancy. Yes, we are not as bad as the USA. But it still wouldn’t hurt to look at Japan, Italy or South korea and look what we could adopt from them here. These countries face the same demographical challenges as we do.
*** Not a good look for the American healthcare system at all.
This is a dumb post. Adjust for income and there is literally nothing to see here (PPP is not the same as income adjustment, by the way)
usa looks like the firework that goes off to the side and sounds like a fart
What’s the problem? It’s expensive and works. That’s just how the swiss do.
Close second, Switzerland! Work harder and you too can be garbage like us in the USA!! 🤣🤣
Tell me you cant read graphs without telling me you cant read graphs
Are you kidding? Did you ever eat at a German hospital? Do you know how little German nurses earn? Now compare that with our Nurses salary and our life expectancy…
The USA is paying more to live a shorter life. The swiss are trending with the other first world countries.
What do you mean by “it does not look good?”. CH is the second best country in life expectancy! Ok you pay a bit more but it actually does something!
Why not?
…only if your primary outcome is money. If you value human life I would argue Switzerland is not doing so badly
Of course it’s expensive….it’s Switzerland. In the swiss system, you pay for what you use.
This is not a good representation. Swiss salaries are very high compared to the rest. If you instead use % of income spent on health care, Switzerland will look a lot better.
Imagine my self, who lives in the US. I would *gladly* take Swiss healthcare over the US system.
You are also ranked #2 in the world in life expectancy. Perhaps the cost of being so high has diminishing returns for every increase in average life expectancy years. Although Japan spends a fraction of the cost and is ranked even higher, I think it would be an unfair comparison because their diet is exceptionally healthy (lots of fish and fiber).
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Life expectancy is just one metric — on which Switzerland does extremely well. Perhaps the additional spending also creates better quality-of-life.
All in all, I’d say it’s a perfectly good look for the Swiss health care system.
Depends how that graph is made. Swiss may pay more money for it, but they receive more in the first place.
And healthcare salaries are higher too. Leading to higher costs for same prestation.
I believe this graph would make much more sense if it showed the percentage of income rather that the total amount.
I am always very skeptical of PPP figures. Adjusted in % of GDP would be easier.
I think the graph actually makes it look better than it is. Swiss health care has one problem, and it’s not availability or quality. It’s the fact that it is stupidly expensive and inefficient. The growth in cost is the real cancer we have to fight.
How do you draw the conclusion that it looks bad?
Didn’t know we had the second highest life expectancy in the world. Pretty cool.
Obviously the longest the expectancy is, the more old people there are. These are the chief consumers of healthcare. Some of the correlation goes in that direction.
Also, the salaries of healthcare workers in Switzerland are high and the Swiss have high expectations as to what is covered by health insurance (I’m not talking about glasses or dental appointments, but multi-million francs cancer treatment, surgical robots, prostheses and the like).
We all agree that the swiss system is expensive, but as a person sitting in a hospital bed right now, i disagree is not a good look for the system as a whole.
We are pretty much grouped with the rest, among the best for life expectancy and costs that are pretty much comparable to the rest
This isn’t really a bad look as we are in the main trend, with many other countries.
This is definitely bad. Old people live too long and costly
/s
This graph is not adjustes by median income… if it was Switzerland would be further to the left
Based on your conclusion, what could be improved?
I remember that Switzerland’s health system has been criticized by the OECD because it was very expensive and the marginal gain in terms of system improvement for every franc invested was very small.
Personally, I think that the care itself is good, everything around a bit wasteful.
I worked at a health insurance. Our system is completely rigged and on the verge of breaking down because of company greed. The companys make millions with investments, complain about the high costs, cut benefits and the monthly fee is raised every year by politicians which get paid plentiful to block any progress in reforming the obligatory health insurance. Santesuisse and Curafutura doing the devils work here.
I work in the medical field and I cringe thinking about how politics tries to lower the costs. Big pharma and bullshit laws prevent this. And they KNOW it. It’s a farce really…
Breaking news: Switzerland is expensive
That graph is cursed at best.
I live in both Switzerland and Spain. Equal life expectancy it seems, but Spain has half the costs.
…it’s BS. I get ill in Spain you better believe I try to do everything to get my ass to Switzerland ASAP. You need “immediate treatment” in Spain you may get you appointment somewhere in the next 4 months.
Life expectancy is not the same as quality. And I would at least ask for what was included in “Health Expenditure”.
The main reason we moved to Switzerland was a fracture in my fathers spine. In Spain he would be considered paraplegic and the story end there. In Switzerland the operation and treatment was covered by their healthcare system.
My father still does sports at 62 and gets to enjoy playing around with his grandchildren. I assume his life expectancy would be the same no matter which way. His health costs obviously became massively higher by going with Switzerland, but I assume you he paid ’em smiling.
Ppl in the comments are super sensitive again. Yes, we have a high life expectancy. Yes, we are not as bad as the USA. But it still wouldn’t hurt to look at Japan, Italy or South korea and look what we could adopt from them here. These countries face the same demographical challenges as we do.
*** Not a good look for the American healthcare system at all.
This is a dumb post. Adjust for income and there is literally nothing to see here (PPP is not the same as income adjustment, by the way)
usa looks like the firework that goes off to the side and sounds like a fart
What’s the problem? It’s expensive and works. That’s just how the swiss do.
Close second, Switzerland! Work harder and you too can be garbage like us in the USA!! 🤣🤣
Tell me you cant read graphs without telling me you cant read graphs
Are you kidding? Did you ever eat at a German hospital? Do you know how little German nurses earn? Now compare that with our Nurses salary and our life expectancy…
The USA is paying more to live a shorter life. The swiss are trending with the other first world countries.
What do you mean by “it does not look good?”. CH is the second best country in life expectancy! Ok you pay a bit more but it actually does something!
Why not?
…only if your primary outcome is money. If you value human life I would argue Switzerland is not doing so badly
Of course it’s expensive….it’s Switzerland. In the swiss system, you pay for what you use.
This is not a good representation. Swiss salaries are very high compared to the rest. If you instead use % of income spent on health care, Switzerland will look a lot better.
Imagine my self, who lives in the US. I would *gladly* take Swiss healthcare over the US system.
You are also ranked #2 in the world in life expectancy. Perhaps the cost of being so high has diminishing returns for every increase in average life expectancy years. Although Japan spends a fraction of the cost and is ranked even higher, I think it would be an unfair comparison because their diet is exceptionally healthy (lots of fish and fiber).
Do we have the same chart? Looks great to me