The comments under this is a huge cesspitt, but to people who object, what is the alternative to SF in power? Genuine question.
The comments under this is a huge cesspitt, but to people who object, what is the alternative to SF in power? Genuine question.
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Another 100 years of failed policies…
Strong chance they will fuck it as well. But ffg need a boot in the hole and to have some fear that they cant keep swapping spit and have it their own way.
Honestly it just feels like for many TDs their main priority is keeping SF out of power. They could care less about actual issues. Just got to keep the old boys club that has existed since the founding of the state running a little bit longer. Even if in practice SF probably wont be that different.
SF will for sure have issues. They will have their special interests and dodgey back room deals with their own connections to the private sector. But the fact it isnt the same people in the same social circles making the shadowy deals that have gone on for generations probably terrifies a lot of people.
you cant just keep voting the same parties in – they have failed the younger generation miserably. I don’t think SF can do worse. At least i hope not. Dunno who will go into collation with them. But i think they will be the biggest single block in any new dail.
I genuinely don’t know. I’m untrusting and ambivalent at best with pretty much every party because I think no matter who’s in charge, the status quo ain’t gonna change. The systems we have in place are banjaxed and the problems are almost too big to fix that you’d need to dismantle the half the institutions in country, which would require money and dedication so I can’t see it happening.
The only things that sway me to SF is that they might work in order to keep their one chance at actual change and/or it would put the frighteners on FFG to do the same. I don’t think that will happen but at this stage I don’t what else we’re supposed to do.
FG/SD/Lab. SF policies are great soundbites (repeated ad nauseum) and they’re great hurlers on the ditch but – particularly in relation to solving housing and homelessness – there’s no surefire solution in place, nor has it been offered. I just can’t see them solving anything anytime soon. Great for speeches, appealing to the masses but no real solutions.
Also: the idea of scrapping the SCC and delay in addressing certain members of the party’s attitude to SA victims is a no to the party from me. I’d also like to see what would happen when they truly separate from the Army Council. I was very taken aback when MLMcD said “the IRA has gone away”. Anyone who can lie that easily and brazenly cannot be trusted.
Time for SF to shit or get off the potty.
Gonna vote for them just to see if they can walk the walk.
You can’t put workers and families first. Put one first and the other second if you must. Then explain what that’s supposed to mean because it sounds like the same bullshit opposition parties always come up with.
The lack of a credible opposition is one of Ireland’s biggest problems
I don’t like sinn fein but I dislike FG and FF more.
I will vote for sinn feint but not because I belive they will do anything to solve our problems. I want FFG to know that when they fuck the public like they have then they lose their jobs.
Next time they are in government (after a few years of the Sinn Fein circus) maybe they will remember it.
I would vote for someone who was like the Dutch or Swiss – good solutions and efficiency for everything
The overwhelming majority of “independents” are FFG space cadets in disguise.
Healy Raes? Out and out FF. Michael Lowry? More FG than Leo. Those, among others, would in their fuck agree with anything SF, let alone the opposition, says.
This is a political stunt because SF genuinely couldn’t be that stupid to think they could win.
If SF ever get in it’ll be the death of educated middle class workers. They will be taxed into oblivion.
Honestly it’s an impossible question to answer. Unfortunately the recent votes by protest (Trump and Brexit) absolutely fucked a lot of things up. I really hope those aiming to vote at least weigh up the consequences of protest voting without looking at policies etc. Greens got in recently (imo) because people didn’t want to vote ff/fg/sf, not because of their stellar manifesto.
If you’re gonna flip ff/fg the bird (as expected next election) then be prepared to consider that maybe the grass may not be greener.
I’ve never voted FG in my life and would struggle to ever I think. Grew up voting fg and sf. Just can’t see past the sound bites of SF now and suspect people will get a land when they figure out it’s a power grab with little substance.
It’s not that the current gov is any good, they’re not they’re shit. But SF wouldn’t be an improvement at all, they have no plan they just spout what people want to hear while rubbing their hands together at the thought of a border poll
I just cant vote for SF cause they are less pro europe
I honestly hope for a day when the vitriol in our politics reduces and we start seeing the idea of multi party coalitions between parties like SF/FFFGG, along with the Soc dems, Labour etc.
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The current hate isn’t helpful to any of us, not even a little. An SF government might help that grow closer, or spell the end of SF. Either way, what’s happening now, it isn’t working for you or me.
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It’s working for landlords who think owning a property is a profession.
It’s working for the top tier earners who don’t have concerns on where the next meal is coming from.
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It’s not working for renters facing extortionate rents.
It’s not working for students.
It’s not working for low to middle earners.
It’s not working for the nurses, the only people in a hospital who might still just about give a shit.
It’s not working for hopeful first time buyers.
It’s not working for single parents.
It’s not working for the majority.
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So fuck it. Let SF fuck it up as well. All it can do is inspire fear in politicians across the board that maybe, just maybe, we won’t simply accept their failures because of arbitrary party allegiance. Maybe we can be better. Because if we can’t, literally what the fuck is the point?
I legit don’t even know if she means ROI or UK at this point
I’m really disappointed that the Social Democrats lost momentum.
They really are all the same and I’ve not doubt that SF will capitulate once in office like so many other political parties.
We don’t have a decent alternative right now.
They’re classic hurlers on the ditch. Didn’t even have enough candidates to take a majority had they achieved one. In a way you’d almost want them to get voted in so people can see how out of touch they really are. They won’t be asked back a second time.
I say that with no allegiance to a party.
“what is the alternative to SF in power? Genuine question.”. Fuck it, i’ll do it. How do we all feel about taco tuesdays?
I’m apolitical but one experience of Sinn Fein in power in Waterford really concerned me. After the last local elections they managed to head up a pact that froze out FF and FG. This was the first time that the others had the numbers to leave the big two out in the cold.
For those that do not know, council pacts are put in place to organise votes. As the pact have the numbers, they can have whomever they want as mayors and basically decide on budgets and other council votes.
The first test of the SF led pact was the Local Property Tax. For years, when Sinn Fein were outside the pact, thus in the minority with no power at all behind their vote, they always proposed for it to be decreased. Without fail. Every year. Then, the first year they had power, they didn’t reduce it and in actual fact, increased it as per the instructions of the council CEO.
Then, the next text was the council’s annual budget. They couldn’t pass it. They spent two council meetings, amounting to about 15 hours or so and were so afraid of passing a budget that had a few necessary tax increases, and petrified of the social media backlash, that the pact collapsed and FF and FG merged with previous members of the pact, once again leaving Sinn Fein on the sidelines, where they are noisiest and probably most effective.
I’m going to be perfectly honest Sinn Fein will emerge as the largest party but they’ve pissed off every other party in the dail and are really going to struggle to form any kind of government unless they have a majority which is extremely unlikely in Ireland, also calling a no confidence vote now is the single stupidest idea at the moment, the government majority is only temporarily gone the two greens will be back before the year is up and the defectors will support the government anyway cause it’s within their interests to do so and even if it passed a forced general election now would be a complete waste of energy time and money. It’s all baiting simply because their ahead in the polls and their egos are through the roof.
Sinn Fein would be a disaster in housing.
I’ve worked in politics, in housing policy, and now I work with a company that tracks construction / build costs and trends.
Every idea Sinn Féin put forward in the last few years sounds good but would make housing immeasurably more difficult for regular people.
The election manifesto idea was to build 100,000 houses over 5 years, which is a pitiful amount and not even 20% of what we need.
In opposition, they want a tax rebate to renters of 1 month’s rent. Nice for a month, but as long as supply is an issue it’ll just drive rental prices up when we need to be getting them down. Doesn’t solve the problem.
And they were the largest party on most councils from 2014-2019. Councils are the main driver of affordable housing in Ireland – most will have heard the term “a council house.”
They built nothing, and blocked almost every development that came across the council – including plans that were 100% social housing, so it wasn’t about “stopping capitalism” or whatever.
My own concern of SF in government isn’t what they’ll do: it’s that they’ll probably do nothing, and Ireland REALLY needs some stuff done.
Edit: My own view on who should be in Govt is anybody but FG, and anybody but SF. Both parties are spectacular at getting nothing done.
On housing, I’d love to see a coalition of:
1. FF: older, but they have a social conscience and won’t leave everything to free market forces. Plus they’re gung-ho on social and affordable housing.
2. Soc Dems: only concern here is that nothing will pass their absolutist social justice filters BUT they’re young, bit of fresh thinking, not totally jaded yet.
3. Greens: Have a wing of the party that is just infrastructure policy nerds. Understand things like optimal residential planning, walkability, public transport etc.
But housing is almost entirely down to huge changes in the economy and demographics since the 50s.
Every country is struggling with it and it will take a generation to fix.
Honestly tweets like this highlight one of my issues with them atm how they continually act as if the government is somehow illegitimate or doesn’t deserve to be in power. You saw it before with them complaining about how Micheál was an “unelected Taoiseach” or how they were “the most popular party on the island”. It makes me concerned that if they get into power they’ll question the functioning of our democracy like a lot of other shitty populist movements out there and ultimately fuel polarisation between those who support them and those who don’t.
The Shinners won‘t change much coz the root of our problems are us and our thicko attitudes. I know many people who managed to get jobs in the civil service because they knew the right person. A lot of folks tend to wing it, their chosen approach to pretty much everything. In short, the country is the way it is because of us. FFG are not some evil occupier, removed from the wishes of the people . . . they are the people.
I want to give SF a chance. If they fuck up then we can vote them out. I doubt they can fix the rise in the cost of living though