We don’t have an unlimited carrying capacity, that’s not too say we don’t have room for more currently, but there is an upper limit.
February was a long time ago.
> A large majority of respondents (84 per cent) to the poll said that they agreed with the statement “There is a limit to the number of asylum seekers and refugees Ireland can cope with”
> However, despite this, a large majority (82 per cent) also agree that “It is important that Ireland lives up to its international obligations to protect people who are at risk”. International law requires Ireland to offer protection to people who are risk from war or persecution in their home countries.
> A clear majority also disagree with the Government’s policy of treating refugees from Ukraine differently to other refugees.
Voters acknowledging that a limit exists is not the same as voters favouring a limit. Shame on the Irish Times for this divisive headline.
My biggest issue has always been that we had a lot of refugees from non-EU countries living in horrible horrible conditions in Direct Provisions… Potentially for years!
But then we have these non-EU refugees coming here and getting the same rights as Irish citizens from the very beginning. They got PPS numbers, medical cards, free accommodation! Just because they look more like us than someone fleeing from Syria.
It should be the same for all refugees coming here, otherwise it’s just blatant racism.
It’s only right. Not out of badness, xenophobia or any of that malarkey. But practicality. The government can lick up to the EU all they want. But between housing, homelessness and the cost of living already being a trainwreck. The government is in no position to be inviting a few hundred thousand people in.
Leaving our housing crisis out of this, even though its likely the key factor in the voting here…
We keep taking in people from problematic areas, historically.
We’ve no facilities for them.
We end up putting these people into “temporary” accommodation.
Which inevitably becomes permanent.
..which causes problems, protests, and pressure on the state.
Helping those in need is great, and something we should 100% be doing… but at what point do we plan ahead to allow us to do this kind of humanitarian aid in a morally correct way, providing even adequate standards of living?
And further to that, how can we consistently take in those in need and treat them like second class citizens.. all the while pretending that were doing the Lords work?
It doesn’t add up for me, and it’s a good example of this country right now. We half arse it, and the cracks grow bigger day by day.
Not surprising at all to anyone thats willing to be honest about all this. Even before you factor in the housing crisis making people feel resentful to anyone being let in for obvious reasons or any other less tangible issues there are reasons to not like it. Anyone that has any number of Ukrainian refugees staying in their locale has seen a lot of entitlement in those that have arrived. Businesses and public groups are constantly being approached by people doing group work for the refugees constantly asking “Gibs free stuffs for da Ukrainians”. This wears on them and even those that were in a position to do it are constantly approached again and again and simply cant do it but are then made to feel bad for their inability to do anything. People are harassed in the street by aggressive begging from them. Hell not even “Gis a euro for da bus” but a brusk “Give me your cigarettes”. There are also quite a large number of fighting age men in the Ukrainian groups that were they from Ukraine it would have been illegal to leave but theres doubts since they are clearly north African and Indian and lack an eastern European accent.
We should do what we can to help those in genuine need but every country has a limit in what they can realistically do and most people in the country would say we have gone beyond that already.
It just shows how out of touch government politicians are when they say there shouldn’t be any cap.
This is just common sense
Divisive and misleading headline
Obviously we have capacity limits, but let’s not pretend that the people who are championing limiting refugee numbers coming into the country the loudest don’t have xenophobic and racist agendas.
Edit: Well that didn’t take long. The “I’m not racist but” crowd are out already.
there is not a single mention of direct provision for any of the ukrainian refugees whereas every single refugee from Syria was famously put in direct provision for years. There seems to be a government policy to drive down housing supply to increase prices.
When you have a huge housing crises and the country relies on tourism we need to have accommodation available for both and taking in so many refugees hurts both of those things. The government really needs to get housing sorted but they never will cause they are cunts.
Another fine mess this government got the country into!
I don’t think we should take them if we have no houses, or no houses of decent quality, to put them. But that’s only if other EU countries can give them good quality housing
I have met some UKrainians and they are great people but they are a country of 40 million people – everyone needs to get real here – the only ones that stand to benefit are government ministers virtue signalling for top EU jobs.
I’m so glad we destroyed the euro to take in all these people from a non eu country 😁
How many displaced Iraqi and Afghans did we take on compared to Ukraine?
It’s a numbers game at the end of the day. We can only cope with so much based on our infrastructure and only so much before our culture is affected
It’s sounds worse but at a certain point we just don’t have to resources to safely support them.
This is nothing new. Just that it rarely gets recognised by the MSM.
The country voted in 2004 to restrict ‘anchor babies’.
Despite the MSM being against it, the referendum passed with an overwhelming 80% support.
Successive governments (and opposition parties) have done all they can to circumvent this very explicit announcement from the Irish populace.
Unlike the necessary re-run of the Lisbon treaty, this can be avoided by other means.
The elites in power simply do not live in the world affected by their policies.
They don’t compete with immigrants for housing, education or healthcare etc. They buy their own homes where few immigrants live. They pay for private healthcare and education, again, not being in competition with immigrants.
They live in this fantasyland where immigration is all rainbows and flowers. The truth is, this country simply cannot cope with the levels successive governments have foisted upon the nation. It’s too small and consequently the amount of immigration is too large to manage.
Remember, if things like the cost of housing is only affecting you now, then count your blessings. It has been affecting the lower/working classes long before this.
Whenever you hear a politician espouse the virtues of immigration, remember when given a chance 80% of voters said ”Enough”.
It was the ”wrong” result. Which is why you’ll never be allowed to vote on a similar issue again.
It’s all very similar to the Green agenda. Great in theory, but in practice it leaves Germany as a slave to Russia, The Netherlands and France in mass protests and Sri Lanka in flames (with a lot more to come).
There’s no problem taking asylum seekers at all, let em come. it’s just we lack the facilities which is a crying shame and huge neglect by the government. Can’t house people or refugees. Bloody disgusting situation
“There is a limit to the number of asylum seekers and refugees Ireland can cope with”
Who d.f. would say no to that?!! Of course there is a limit, it’s not like we can have 8 billion people in Ireland.
This type of polling is really of little practical value because it is too binary and lacks any nuance which means you end up with overwhelming majorities for largely contradictory statements.
I’d like the IT to do a poll to see if people want fake asylum seekers (economic migrants) sent back without spending years on appeals.
Lads we can barely look after Irish Residents as it is.
Of course we have a limited supply of resources that’s already maxed out
I’m concerned that there’s 16% of people who think we can fit every refugee in the world into Ireland. Jaysus lads, you’d never get served at the pub.
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I don’t see why this is remotely controversial.
We don’t have an unlimited carrying capacity, that’s not too say we don’t have room for more currently, but there is an upper limit.
February was a long time ago.
> A large majority of respondents (84 per cent) to the poll said that they agreed with the statement “There is a limit to the number of asylum seekers and refugees Ireland can cope with”
> However, despite this, a large majority (82 per cent) also agree that “It is important that Ireland lives up to its international obligations to protect people who are at risk”. International law requires Ireland to offer protection to people who are risk from war or persecution in their home countries.
> A clear majority also disagree with the Government’s policy of treating refugees from Ukraine differently to other refugees.
Voters acknowledging that a limit exists is not the same as voters favouring a limit. Shame on the Irish Times for this divisive headline.
My biggest issue has always been that we had a lot of refugees from non-EU countries living in horrible horrible conditions in Direct Provisions… Potentially for years!
But then we have these non-EU refugees coming here and getting the same rights as Irish citizens from the very beginning. They got PPS numbers, medical cards, free accommodation! Just because they look more like us than someone fleeing from Syria.
It should be the same for all refugees coming here, otherwise it’s just blatant racism.
It’s only right. Not out of badness, xenophobia or any of that malarkey. But practicality. The government can lick up to the EU all they want. But between housing, homelessness and the cost of living already being a trainwreck. The government is in no position to be inviting a few hundred thousand people in.
Leaving our housing crisis out of this, even though its likely the key factor in the voting here…
We keep taking in people from problematic areas, historically.
We’ve no facilities for them.
We end up putting these people into “temporary” accommodation.
Which inevitably becomes permanent.
..which causes problems, protests, and pressure on the state.
Helping those in need is great, and something we should 100% be doing… but at what point do we plan ahead to allow us to do this kind of humanitarian aid in a morally correct way, providing even adequate standards of living?
And further to that, how can we consistently take in those in need and treat them like second class citizens.. all the while pretending that were doing the Lords work?
It doesn’t add up for me, and it’s a good example of this country right now. We half arse it, and the cracks grow bigger day by day.
Not surprising at all to anyone thats willing to be honest about all this. Even before you factor in the housing crisis making people feel resentful to anyone being let in for obvious reasons or any other less tangible issues there are reasons to not like it. Anyone that has any number of Ukrainian refugees staying in their locale has seen a lot of entitlement in those that have arrived. Businesses and public groups are constantly being approached by people doing group work for the refugees constantly asking “Gibs free stuffs for da Ukrainians”. This wears on them and even those that were in a position to do it are constantly approached again and again and simply cant do it but are then made to feel bad for their inability to do anything. People are harassed in the street by aggressive begging from them. Hell not even “Gis a euro for da bus” but a brusk “Give me your cigarettes”. There are also quite a large number of fighting age men in the Ukrainian groups that were they from Ukraine it would have been illegal to leave but theres doubts since they are clearly north African and Indian and lack an eastern European accent.
We should do what we can to help those in genuine need but every country has a limit in what they can realistically do and most people in the country would say we have gone beyond that already.
It just shows how out of touch government politicians are when they say there shouldn’t be any cap.
This is just common sense
Divisive and misleading headline
Obviously we have capacity limits, but let’s not pretend that the people who are championing limiting refugee numbers coming into the country the loudest don’t have xenophobic and racist agendas.
Edit: Well that didn’t take long. The “I’m not racist but” crowd are out already.
there is not a single mention of direct provision for any of the ukrainian refugees whereas every single refugee from Syria was famously put in direct provision for years. There seems to be a government policy to drive down housing supply to increase prices.
When you have a huge housing crises and the country relies on tourism we need to have accommodation available for both and taking in so many refugees hurts both of those things. The government really needs to get housing sorted but they never will cause they are cunts.
Another fine mess this government got the country into!
I don’t think we should take them if we have no houses, or no houses of decent quality, to put them. But that’s only if other EU countries can give them good quality housing
I have met some UKrainians and they are great people but they are a country of 40 million people – everyone needs to get real here – the only ones that stand to benefit are government ministers virtue signalling for top EU jobs.
I’m so glad we destroyed the euro to take in all these people from a non eu country 😁
How many displaced Iraqi and Afghans did we take on compared to Ukraine?
It’s a numbers game at the end of the day. We can only cope with so much based on our infrastructure and only so much before our culture is affected
It’s sounds worse but at a certain point we just don’t have to resources to safely support them.
This is nothing new. Just that it rarely gets recognised by the MSM.
The country voted in 2004 to restrict ‘anchor babies’.
Despite the MSM being against it, the referendum passed with an overwhelming 80% support.
Successive governments (and opposition parties) have done all they can to circumvent this very explicit announcement from the Irish populace.
Unlike the necessary re-run of the Lisbon treaty, this can be avoided by other means.
The elites in power simply do not live in the world affected by their policies.
They don’t compete with immigrants for housing, education or healthcare etc. They buy their own homes where few immigrants live. They pay for private healthcare and education, again, not being in competition with immigrants.
They live in this fantasyland where immigration is all rainbows and flowers. The truth is, this country simply cannot cope with the levels successive governments have foisted upon the nation. It’s too small and consequently the amount of immigration is too large to manage.
Remember, if things like the cost of housing is only affecting you now, then count your blessings. It has been affecting the lower/working classes long before this.
Whenever you hear a politician espouse the virtues of immigration, remember when given a chance 80% of voters said ”Enough”.
It was the ”wrong” result. Which is why you’ll never be allowed to vote on a similar issue again.
It’s all very similar to the Green agenda. Great in theory, but in practice it leaves Germany as a slave to Russia, The Netherlands and France in mass protests and Sri Lanka in flames (with a lot more to come).
There’s no problem taking asylum seekers at all, let em come. it’s just we lack the facilities which is a crying shame and huge neglect by the government. Can’t house people or refugees. Bloody disgusting situation
“There is a limit to the number of asylum seekers and refugees Ireland can cope with”
Who d.f. would say no to that?!! Of course there is a limit, it’s not like we can have 8 billion people in Ireland.
This type of polling is really of little practical value because it is too binary and lacks any nuance which means you end up with overwhelming majorities for largely contradictory statements.
I’d like the IT to do a poll to see if people want fake asylum seekers (economic migrants) sent back without spending years on appeals.
Lads we can barely look after Irish Residents as it is.
Of course we have a limited supply of resources that’s already maxed out
I’m concerned that there’s 16% of people who think we can fit every refugee in the world into Ireland. Jaysus lads, you’d never get served at the pub.