>The Germans became aware of the political danger associated with the mass burial of corpses in April 1943, when they discovered the graves of Polish victims of the 1940 Katyn massacre carried out by the Soviets near Smolensk. The bodies of the 10,000 Polish officers executed by the NKVD were well preserved despite their long burial. The Germans formed the Katyn Commission to prove that the Soviets were solely responsible, and used radio broadcast and newsfilm to alert the Allies to this war crime. Subsequently, the Nazi leadership, concerned about covering up their own crimes, issued the secret orders to exhume the corpses buried at death camps and burn them. The cremations began shortly after Himmler’s visit to the camp in late February or early March 1943.
This is also why Jeffrey Epstein targeted intellectuals. Without them there is no one to articulate the evil of the day.
(And once snared, you can either shut them up or use them to push whatever narrative you choose)
I have nothing against recalling tragic events and crimes of the past, especially crimes such as Katyn, the truth about which was, and still is, concealed or distorted by many for a long time. But I do not think that we need to publish gore photographs in order to do this. Not only because they are not pleasant to look at and they sensationalise the whole tragedy. But above all because these are pictures of the bodies of people who did not deserve to be seen in such a state. It was not their choice, to be turned into a shred of human flesh buried in a pit, in a forest, God only knows where. Let us have respect for these people and their memory.
I’ve wanted to write about this for a long time, but thought it might be misconstrued. So I am writing under a post dedicated to the tragedy of the Poles.
22 thousands people were killed by Soviets, they were shot and buried in 5 different, distant places in the Soviet Union, Katyn is just one of them. About 15 thousands of them were reserve officers or privates of the Polish Army or Border Protection Corps taken prisoner by the Red Army after Soviet invasion of Poland on 17 September 1939. Most of them were civilians that were called up after German invasion on 1 September, many of them belonged to the intellectual or social elite. Apart of them 7 thousands victims were non-military, mostly policemen.
It’s often forgotten by the list of victims does not end here. After the killing was done members of the victims families (about 60 thousands people) were deported from Poland, mostly to the Kazakhstan and put in the concentration camps.
Overall Soviet Army have taken about 240 thousands Polish POWs, about 40 thousands was released, similiar number was transferred to Germans. Many were killed on the spot. The rest was deported deep into Siberia. To this day the fate of about 100 thousands of them is unknown.
NKVD arrested much more Polish people, about 110 thousands. After the German invasion Soviets started to kill them on mass on the spot, it is estimated that about 20-30 thousands was killed in the prison massacres of June 1941.
Overall at least 320 thousands people were deported, some historians estimates that the real number was higher between 800-1 500 thousands.
Kinda on topic; but what does (or did) require to be considered an intellectual?
My great grandfather was there.
My Family couldn’t put a proper tombstone with reason of death all the way till 1989 when this fucking peace of shit of communist regime died.
Oh I thought it was the history sub, that explains why there’s an unusual amount of “g-gommunism b-bad!!!” here
It feels like someone reposts shit like this almost every other day. I-Army working overtime.
I was banned from r/russia yesterday, likely for implying soviets mightve done warcrimes just as the nazis did.
its sad that people only remember about german genocides and forget about eastern one’s…
I did not know a regular pre war cop was a *Polish intellectual*
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“It didn’t happen and anyway, they deserved it!”
Fuck the Russia
I wish the NKVD had been just as diligent in exhuming its own repressed in the USSR.
“Glorious” communism at work. It repeats everywhere where that ideologic disease appears.
The Russian World.
Never heard about the Katyn massacre until after school. Crazy
Polish intellectuals? Last time I checked it was 40k captured polish officers. That is not the same (not less of a crime)
No source but it’s okay because russia bad
And people praised the Soviet Union
Interesting bit from [Treblinka extermination camp](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treblinka_extermination_camp) Wiki page related to the discovery of bodies in Katyn.
>The Germans became aware of the political danger associated with the mass burial of corpses in April 1943, when they discovered the graves of Polish victims of the 1940 Katyn massacre carried out by the Soviets near Smolensk. The bodies of the 10,000 Polish officers executed by the NKVD were well preserved despite their long burial. The Germans formed the Katyn Commission to prove that the Soviets were solely responsible, and used radio broadcast and newsfilm to alert the Allies to this war crime. Subsequently, the Nazi leadership, concerned about covering up their own crimes, issued the secret orders to exhume the corpses buried at death camps and burn them. The cremations began shortly after Himmler’s visit to the camp in late February or early March 1943.
This is also why Jeffrey Epstein targeted intellectuals. Without them there is no one to articulate the evil of the day.
(And once snared, you can either shut them up or use them to push whatever narrative you choose)
I have nothing against recalling tragic events and crimes of the past, especially crimes such as Katyn, the truth about which was, and still is, concealed or distorted by many for a long time. But I do not think that we need to publish gore photographs in order to do this. Not only because they are not pleasant to look at and they sensationalise the whole tragedy. But above all because these are pictures of the bodies of people who did not deserve to be seen in such a state. It was not their choice, to be turned into a shred of human flesh buried in a pit, in a forest, God only knows where. Let us have respect for these people and their memory.
I’ve wanted to write about this for a long time, but thought it might be misconstrued. So I am writing under a post dedicated to the tragedy of the Poles.
Jacek Kaczmarski, ”[Katyń](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBVv7zMlksY)” (1985):
> Once uncovered, they scream with a musty mouth,
>They fly through hands that are rotten inside
>Into a ditch that will never be empty again –
>But there are no crosses. This is not ancestors cemetery
>Rusty buckles and buttons with eagle,
>Over bowls of skulls worms are chasing,
>Rotten photos, memorabilia, maps of towns and villages –
>But there are no weapons. This is not a battlefield.
>Maybe they were all sick with the same thing?
>The same round injuries just above the neck,
>Through which Gods gift seeped to the soil –
>But there are no signs that this is a grave of plague.
> There are still trees that have seen it,
> The earth still remembers the shape of a boot, the taste of blood.
> The sky knows the language in which commands were given,
> Before the gunshots which still echo
> There is only one such side of the world,
> Where something that does not exist, still cries out for vengeance,
> The grave no longer venerated, not even with laughter,
> An omitted pit – not for the Eagle, nor the Falcon…
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All authoritan goverments are the same.
Soviet Russia today says “get over it”. I am still not convinced that Smolensk crash was an accident
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-poland-politics-smolensk-idUSKCN21S16E
22 thousands people were killed by Soviets, they were shot and buried in 5 different, distant places in the Soviet Union, Katyn is just one of them. About 15 thousands of them were reserve officers or privates of the Polish Army or Border Protection Corps taken prisoner by the Red Army after Soviet invasion of Poland on 17 September 1939. Most of them were civilians that were called up after German invasion on 1 September, many of them belonged to the intellectual or social elite. Apart of them 7 thousands victims were non-military, mostly policemen.
It’s often forgotten by the list of victims does not end here. After the killing was done members of the victims families (about 60 thousands people) were deported from Poland, mostly to the Kazakhstan and put in the concentration camps.
Overall Soviet Army have taken about 240 thousands Polish POWs, about 40 thousands was released, similiar number was transferred to Germans. Many were killed on the spot. The rest was deported deep into Siberia. To this day the fate of about 100 thousands of them is unknown.
NKVD arrested much more Polish people, about 110 thousands. After the German invasion Soviets started to kill them on mass on the spot, it is estimated that about 20-30 thousands was killed in the prison massacres of June 1941.
Overall at least 320 thousands people were deported, some historians estimates that the real number was higher between 800-1 500 thousands.
Kinda on topic; but what does (or did) require to be considered an intellectual?
My great grandfather was there.
My Family couldn’t put a proper tombstone with reason of death all the way till 1989 when this fucking peace of shit of communist regime died.
Oh I thought it was the history sub, that explains why there’s an unusual amount of “g-gommunism b-bad!!!” here
It feels like someone reposts shit like this almost every other day. I-Army working overtime.
I was banned from r/russia yesterday, likely for implying soviets mightve done warcrimes just as the nazis did.
its sad that people only remember about german genocides and forget about eastern one’s…
I did not know a regular pre war cop was a *Polish intellectual*
We pay for this till this day.