Will they blow up the houses or put balloons on them and sail away like that film Up, or will they sell them to people who need a house to live in?
He’s just such a ghastly little man. A problem for every solution.
This sounds like a selling point tbh.
>Mr Martin said the bill would “undermine” the capacity of working people “to afford a lot of things”, adding that Ireland had seen an “exceptionally strong” economic recovery.
What does this even mean? That working people shouldn’t have the capacity to afford a lot of things haha
He said that like it’s a bad thing.
The median income for Ireland is 38,500, so the rents would be around 800 euros per month.
In 2016, I was earning 27k per year and I paid 700 euros for a tiny 1 bed apartment in Dublin city centre, I’m now earning 31k and I pay 1250 for a studio…..
PBPs proposal is more than fine
Don’t threaten me with a good time!
Do all the I-can’t-see-a-problem guys realise that having no landlords doesn’t mean you can buy a house.
A situation where all homes are either occupier-owned or means-tested/provided by the state would be seen as a win. Private landlords do nothing but eke out a profit by restricting access to something everybody needs; somewhere to live.
The solution needs more than anything to have more houses built, any rent reduction measures are treating the symptoms rather than the problem. Still welcome but won’t solve anything in the long run.
I just bought a house for 340k. Saves me 400 a month on rent
It’s a pity PBP didn’t put even a little thought into their bill, because it’s a bit of a joke. They’ve made it easier for government to avoid engaging in a debate by putting so little effort in.
You’d hope even the PBP person who drafted this knows that it’s just to get some headlines – it’s shockingly poorly drafted.
For example, the new quango will: “determine criteria under which certain categories of accommodation may be designated as luxury accommodation. This shall not apply to more than five per cent of the rental housing stock in any local area at any particular time.”
No guidance is provided at all as to how they should determine these guidelines. That immediately raises the question of the principles and policies test.
Even beyond that the scheme is unworkable. “Local area” isn’t defined, the principal act doesn’t use that term. It does use “local electoral area”, so let’s just assume that’s what’s meant, it’s as charitable an interpretation as any. In any case, any criteria for luxury accomodation would have to be based on some objective factor of the accomodation – but this couldn’t apply to more than 5% of accommodation. That means you’d have to constantly redraft the criteria as more accomodation that fit the previous definition was built, leading to huge uncertainty. Would there have to be different criteria for each electoral area, or are they the same across the country? Are the new quango expected to develop criteria based on those in the most luxurious area of the country and apply those to everywhere? If not their drafting a whole host of regulations that will need to be constantly re-evaluated.
> be comprised of tenant and employee representatives.”
Nothing at all in the section about this quango that deals with what happens if they cannot agree on regulations. Does the minister just get to decide? Can they force them to agree or just pass alternative criteria in the absence of agreement?
These are all basic drafting points. Either the PBP drafters are incompetent or they obviously don’t expect this to go anywhere.
Hopefully it doesn’t pass then, I would hate to struggle to find a place to rent. I shudder to think of a world where I can’t get my choice of high quality reasonably priced rentals.
So it’s a win-win then.
Oh no.
Socialists wanting to get rid of landleeches?
Colour me shocked!
Oh no.
Free market.. Free market.. Free market.. Free market.. Free market.. Just keep saying it over and over , just keeping saying stuff that suggests free market, convince people that it means something.
Cry about it.
So you can just write a law that forcibly lowers my rent!? Looks like they’ve just solved the housing crisis everyone. We can all go home now.
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A country requires a functioning rental market because there is always a cohort who want or need rental properties.
When you consider how long it takes to buy and sell properties here, and the rigamarole of getting a mortgage, you can see why there are many different classes of individual who either cannot or do not want to buy and want to rent.
I don’t know enough about this bill to say what effect it would have but this “Durr hurr great, no landlords” infantile attitude is what feeds the likes of PBP and their populist nonsense.
The amount of stupid in r/ireland is startling
Yet another stupid, self-defeating, non-solution out of Leinster House, this time by the Left. Populist nonsense.
If every rental was sold to an owner-occupier in the morning, the amounts of both homes and people who need them would stay exactly the same. Wealthier tenants would buy houses, evicting less fortunate tenants onto the roadside. Many of those purchased houses would accommodate fewer people than when they were rented (owner-occupied houses much more likely to have spare rooms), so homelessness would skyrocket. Whole classes of people who NEED to rent, would be denied accommodation: off-campus students, nurses on placement during training, people not wealthy enough to get a mortgage, etc.
There is one solution and one solution only. Build more homes. Talking about greedy landlords is a waste of time and energy, because they’re a symptom, not the problem. More homes solves EVERY problem. Leaving Cert economics: Supply goes up, price goes down – for both sales and rents.
No landlords? Will the properties just collapse in on themselves like the poltergeist house?
Rent reduction doesn’t actually work as a solution more generally. Who cares about the landlords I’m worried about the homelessness that will cause.
That’s amazing. Maybe I could move back home. Fed up living in the states.
The problem is we need landlords to some degree, take international workers who are here for a short time, students who are not staying in the area or just people who need a roof without putting down roots. I agree, rents are far too high but that purposed bill goes way too far.
Wonderful
I just bought a 3 bed semi detached house 30 min from Blanch. The mortgage will be €100 more of what I pay for a studio in D7.
It’s not like the houses that were rented will just disappear, so I don’t see an issue with this. More houses for sale will just increase the supply
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Sounds good to me!
Will they blow up the houses or put balloons on them and sail away like that film Up, or will they sell them to people who need a house to live in?
He’s just such a ghastly little man. A problem for every solution.
This sounds like a selling point tbh.
>Mr Martin said the bill would “undermine” the capacity of working people “to afford a lot of things”, adding that Ireland had seen an “exceptionally strong” economic recovery.
What does this even mean? That working people shouldn’t have the capacity to afford a lot of things haha
He said that like it’s a bad thing.
The median income for Ireland is 38,500, so the rents would be around 800 euros per month.
In 2016, I was earning 27k per year and I paid 700 euros for a tiny 1 bed apartment in Dublin city centre, I’m now earning 31k and I pay 1250 for a studio…..
PBPs proposal is more than fine
Don’t threaten me with a good time!
Do all the I-can’t-see-a-problem guys realise that having no landlords doesn’t mean you can buy a house.
A situation where all homes are either occupier-owned or means-tested/provided by the state would be seen as a win. Private landlords do nothing but eke out a profit by restricting access to something everybody needs; somewhere to live.
The solution needs more than anything to have more houses built, any rent reduction measures are treating the symptoms rather than the problem. Still welcome but won’t solve anything in the long run.
I just bought a house for 340k. Saves me 400 a month on rent
It’s a pity PBP didn’t put even a little thought into their bill, because it’s a bit of a joke. They’ve made it easier for government to avoid engaging in a debate by putting so little effort in.
You’d hope even the PBP person who drafted this knows that it’s just to get some headlines – it’s shockingly poorly drafted.
For example, the new quango will: “determine criteria under which certain categories of accommodation may be designated as luxury accommodation. This shall not apply to more than five per cent of the rental housing stock in any local area at any particular time.”
No guidance is provided at all as to how they should determine these guidelines. That immediately raises the question of the principles and policies test.
Even beyond that the scheme is unworkable. “Local area” isn’t defined, the principal act doesn’t use that term. It does use “local electoral area”, so let’s just assume that’s what’s meant, it’s as charitable an interpretation as any. In any case, any criteria for luxury accomodation would have to be based on some objective factor of the accomodation – but this couldn’t apply to more than 5% of accommodation. That means you’d have to constantly redraft the criteria as more accomodation that fit the previous definition was built, leading to huge uncertainty. Would there have to be different criteria for each electoral area, or are they the same across the country? Are the new quango expected to develop criteria based on those in the most luxurious area of the country and apply those to everywhere? If not their drafting a whole host of regulations that will need to be constantly re-evaluated.
> be comprised of tenant and employee representatives.”
Nothing at all in the section about this quango that deals with what happens if they cannot agree on regulations. Does the minister just get to decide? Can they force them to agree or just pass alternative criteria in the absence of agreement?
These are all basic drafting points. Either the PBP drafters are incompetent or they obviously don’t expect this to go anywhere.
Hopefully it doesn’t pass then, I would hate to struggle to find a place to rent. I shudder to think of a world where I can’t get my choice of high quality reasonably priced rentals.
So it’s a win-win then.
Oh no.
Socialists wanting to get rid of landleeches?
Colour me shocked!
Oh no.
Free market.. Free market.. Free market.. Free market.. Free market.. Just keep saying it over and over , just keeping saying stuff that suggests free market, convince people that it means something.
Cry about it.
So you can just write a law that forcibly lowers my rent!? Looks like they’ve just solved the housing crisis everyone. We can all go home now.
[deleted]
A country requires a functioning rental market because there is always a cohort who want or need rental properties.
When you consider how long it takes to buy and sell properties here, and the rigamarole of getting a mortgage, you can see why there are many different classes of individual who either cannot or do not want to buy and want to rent.
I don’t know enough about this bill to say what effect it would have but this “Durr hurr great, no landlords” infantile attitude is what feeds the likes of PBP and their populist nonsense.
The amount of stupid in r/ireland is startling
Yet another stupid, self-defeating, non-solution out of Leinster House, this time by the Left. Populist nonsense.
If every rental was sold to an owner-occupier in the morning, the amounts of both homes and people who need them would stay exactly the same. Wealthier tenants would buy houses, evicting less fortunate tenants onto the roadside. Many of those purchased houses would accommodate fewer people than when they were rented (owner-occupied houses much more likely to have spare rooms), so homelessness would skyrocket. Whole classes of people who NEED to rent, would be denied accommodation: off-campus students, nurses on placement during training, people not wealthy enough to get a mortgage, etc.
There is one solution and one solution only. Build more homes. Talking about greedy landlords is a waste of time and energy, because they’re a symptom, not the problem. More homes solves EVERY problem. Leaving Cert economics: Supply goes up, price goes down – for both sales and rents.
No landlords? Will the properties just collapse in on themselves like the poltergeist house?
Rent reduction doesn’t actually work as a solution more generally. Who cares about the landlords I’m worried about the homelessness that will cause.
That’s amazing. Maybe I could move back home. Fed up living in the states.
https://c.tenor.com/zXlBfjivudkAAAAd/lionel-hutz-world-without-lawyers.gif
The problem is we need landlords to some degree, take international workers who are here for a short time, students who are not staying in the area or just people who need a roof without putting down roots. I agree, rents are far too high but that purposed bill goes way too far.
Wonderful
I just bought a 3 bed semi detached house 30 min from Blanch. The mortgage will be €100 more of what I pay for a studio in D7.
It’s not like the houses that were rented will just disappear, so I don’t see an issue with this. More houses for sale will just increase the supply
Oh no, how awful.
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