What exactly is he offering to voters that is different to the tories?
What is the point of Labour anymore. It’s just become the Conservative enabling party.
Mad how people will still say they’re better than the Tories.
I must say, There’s some excellent campaigning going on here by labour ^^^for ^^^the ^^^Lib ^^^Dems
Why shouldn’t the NHS outsource services? It does not mean that healthcare cannot be free at the point of delivery. Gp surgeries are small businesses, do people want to bring all GPs back into the NHS? What about fleet management? Logistics?
Keirservative Starmer should lead the tories in the next GE.
Why can’t we just have nice things?
Let’s hear this in context really.
>Well look, there is some private provision in the NHS and we’re likely to have to continue with that. But I actually do believe strongly in the NHS as a Public service.
It depends what the outsourcing is. Outsourcing is necessary, almost every company needs to outsource. The NHS doesn’t have the expertise to run its own IT systems for example. Nor should it, really. It’s a health service.
The trouble is neither government or the NHS have experts with free reign to implement the needed systems and services who can just tell ministers and jobsworths to get lost. It’s a problem across government in every area.
We need a better LOTO
This seems to me like labour shooting themselves in the leg. “We’ve already got the votes of everyone who’s unhappy with the Tories so it doesn’t matte what we say. Let’s try and get the conservative voters aswell! Oh shit now neither are gonna vote for us”.
I actually hate this man.
FFS Keir if you want to be leader of the Tory party that badly there’s a job opening
Like so many lefties, I fundamentally disagree with the concept of for-profit healthcare provision, so I find this 180 very disappointing. I guess I’ll have to hold my nose to prevent the gagging when I next vote for these pricks. God, I hate FPTP.
No surprise he is following new Labour policy to gain power and them good old corporate bribes fucking slimey cunt.
This country no longer has a party to represent workers its a disgrace to Labours history.
Man who stands for nothing continues to stand for nothing. Fuck this country.
Anyone got a link that ain’t a broken piece of shit that wants me to subscribe.
Gandhi said when going against the establishment, this. First they will ignore you. Then they will ridicule. Then they will fight you. If still you stand they will try to make you them…. That was Blair and it is Starmer.. The illusions of choice vs the delusions of difference.
Time to consider voting Lib Dem or Green.
This is just another Tory in a red tie.
Yet, the sort of Labour party voters want! One that pretends to not be c***** whilst gearing all policies towards the upper class d that control the main media outlets.
It’s guaranteed he gets on power based on that, the only thing that’s left to be seen is whether he’s towing the line enough to get in but actually a decent human being, or just more rebadged excrement.
He has to say this – what is he going to do – Nationalise all GP practises? Christ, what a meaningless attack. At least he is being truthful.
How is he NOT just like the Tories?
This is the cost to “making labour electable”.
We are once again faced with the exciting reality of electing either class traitors or national traitors.
I look forward to the carnage!
It’s essentially impossible to end that. So many resources in the NHS need to be supplied privately. You can’t bring everything in house. That being said, the health service should privatise. We don’t have the political willpower to fund it anymore.
Oh yeah cause that’ll make the NHS better, it’s not fit for purpose. To many admins/consultants. Scrap it and start again if you want Universal Health Care.
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What exactly is he offering to voters that is different to the tories?
What is the point of Labour anymore. It’s just become the Conservative enabling party.
Mad how people will still say they’re better than the Tories.
I must say, There’s some excellent campaigning going on here by labour ^^^for ^^^the ^^^Lib ^^^Dems
Why shouldn’t the NHS outsource services? It does not mean that healthcare cannot be free at the point of delivery. Gp surgeries are small businesses, do people want to bring all GPs back into the NHS? What about fleet management? Logistics?
Keirservative Starmer should lead the tories in the next GE.
Why can’t we just have nice things?
Let’s hear this in context really.
>Well look, there is some private provision in the NHS and we’re likely to have to continue with that. But I actually do believe strongly in the NHS as a Public service.
https://youtu.be/FsdZ5Ubxmt0?t=31
This is how he “gets Brexit to work” selling it off and insurer access for healthcare. Tory in disguise.
> Labour leader suggests breaking promise could help him win election
Worth pointing out that [76% of the public want privatisation of the NHS to end](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/coronavirus-uk-nhs-privatisation-hospital-survey-a9598826.html). So when Kier says he’s doing it to win an election, he doesn’t mean he’s trying to win public support. And you would’ve thought those two things would be aligned _in a democracy_.
It depends what the outsourcing is. Outsourcing is necessary, almost every company needs to outsource. The NHS doesn’t have the expertise to run its own IT systems for example. Nor should it, really. It’s a health service.
The trouble is neither government or the NHS have experts with free reign to implement the needed systems and services who can just tell ministers and jobsworths to get lost. It’s a problem across government in every area.
We need a better LOTO
This seems to me like labour shooting themselves in the leg. “We’ve already got the votes of everyone who’s unhappy with the Tories so it doesn’t matte what we say. Let’s try and get the conservative voters aswell! Oh shit now neither are gonna vote for us”.
I actually hate this man.
FFS Keir if you want to be leader of the Tory party that badly there’s a job opening
Like so many lefties, I fundamentally disagree with the concept of for-profit healthcare provision, so I find this 180 very disappointing. I guess I’ll have to hold my nose to prevent the gagging when I next vote for these pricks. God, I hate FPTP.
No surprise he is following new Labour policy to gain power and them good old corporate bribes fucking slimey cunt.
This country no longer has a party to represent workers its a disgrace to Labours history.
Man who stands for nothing continues to stand for nothing. Fuck this country.
Anyone got a link that ain’t a broken piece of shit that wants me to subscribe.
Gandhi said when going against the establishment, this. First they will ignore you. Then they will ridicule. Then they will fight you. If still you stand they will try to make you them…. That was Blair and it is Starmer.. The illusions of choice vs the delusions of difference.
Time to consider voting Lib Dem or Green.
This is just another Tory in a red tie.
Yet, the sort of Labour party voters want! One that pretends to not be c***** whilst gearing all policies towards the upper class d that control the main media outlets.
It’s guaranteed he gets on power based on that, the only thing that’s left to be seen is whether he’s towing the line enough to get in but actually a decent human being, or just more rebadged excrement.
He has to say this – what is he going to do – Nationalise all GP practises? Christ, what a meaningless attack. At least he is being truthful.
How is he NOT just like the Tories?
This is the cost to “making labour electable”.
We are once again faced with the exciting reality of electing either class traitors or national traitors.
I look forward to the carnage!
It’s essentially impossible to end that. So many resources in the NHS need to be supplied privately. You can’t bring everything in house. That being said, the health service should privatise. We don’t have the political willpower to fund it anymore.
Oh yeah cause that’ll make the NHS better, it’s not fit for purpose. To many admins/consultants. Scrap it and start again if you want Universal Health Care.