I’m wondering what modern Ukraine would have looked like without holomodor, ww2 nazi atrocities, soviet rule, Chernobyl and the ongoing war. A country part of the most populous and powerful European countries, close to UK, France or Italy level no doubt. Such a waste…
Horrifying
also worth noting “This article is being considered for deletion in accordance with Wikipedia’s deletion policy.”
2 hours from the time it was posted and already found some reddit ghoulish tankies, wohoo i am in luck!
Had a college professor try and tell my class that this wasn’t a genocide, just a famine.
Never met such an intelligent person say something so stupid
Ukrainian poet Oleksand Oles back then wrote poem which unfortunately is also relevant for current situation. In 1932-33 they starved to death around 7millions. In 2014-21 around 14k was killed by russian occupants.
When Ukraine for the right to life
fought with executioners,
lived and died
and waited only for sympathy ,
Europe was silent
When Ukraine in unequal struggle
all shed blood and tears flowed
And waited for friendly help,
Europe was silent
When Ukraine gathered bloody harvest
for the executioner,
died herself and even lost words from hunger ,
Europe was silent
When Ukraine cursed life and became a grave,
as tears rolled down the demon of evil,
Europe was silent
Putin: It.s fake news.
Mr Jones, movie showing Garreth jones (welsh journalist) who exposed the famine is recommended. It’s insane how easily media today exposes things within seconds with the internet available. Not the case back then with his story.
Stalin, Putin, Łukashenka, same shit different year. Our leaders won’t do shit about what’s happening to Ukraine/Belarus, but least we can do is stand in solidarity. As long as i breathe, i’ll be helping all Ukrainians and Belarusians who migrated here to poland or whatever country i’ll be living in next.
I invite everyone to do the same. Graphic designers, design posters and flyers! Audiophiles, make good use of your equipment and interview your local immigrants who want to speak out and need a platform! Writers, i don’t know shit about writing, just do your thing!
Change starts with people, and we don’t have a lot of time. If we struggle on the issue for too long, all that’ll be left for Ukrainians is to leave their homes and flee west. And right wing will act all oblivious on why we got another round of refugees after campaigning for our countries to “just focus on ourselves” ignoring what’s happening around us.
I suck at motivating speeches but come on, the people we’re talking about are same people as us. Except that they live in horrors you wouldn’t even believe. I considered myself rather educated on the subject by my father until i met people from Donetsk, Crimea, Minsk.
Many people here consider them less intelligent due to the fact that their polish is often not the best, forgetting that it’s not their first language, it’s tough af to learn, and in their home tongue i can listen to them for hours.
This isn’t another reddit problem like “A politician posted a mean comment online”, it’s hell that’s happening on earth right now. Right now people living in Donetsk are trying to visit their families, and are wondering if they’ll even make it back through the border again. Back in poland they have to watch their every step because an angry employer is all it takes for them to be sent back.
Please think about it and don’t dehumanize them.
edit: I know i sound triggered af, and frankly, yeah i am, i’m not denying that. I’m pissed off. My friends are living through hell, when i see their stories on fb when they’re at borders etc, i ask them “Please be careful” and not in a “You had a little to drink, be safe on your way home!” way. In a “Please don’t get shot please don’t get shot” way. I’m triggered, angry, pissed off.
My brother’s wife was born in the Ukrainian USSR in the 80’s, and she still has a grandma alive that was born in the 1930s. I often wonder how much terrible shit she has seen in her life. Holodomor, WW2, Stalinism, and more. I do wonder if being on the black sea towards Romania, and being a russian speaker spared her from the worst of the horrors
how come all those communist subreddits haven’t been banned yet?
they’re just as bad or even worse than the_donald, european, etc, all of which are banned
Soviet famin saw the deaths of over 20 million people. 5 million Russians died in the Moscow region alone…
Ah yes the toxic relationship between Rusdian and Ukraine, and you wonder why Ukraine is trying to stay away like a wife running from her abusive husband.
maybe in europe we should remember the atrocities of communism, seeing what is happening now.
One of the many ways in which the USSR resembled its predecessor was the way it treated the periphery nations like this.
I always see these posts, yet hardly have ever seen the starvation in India posted. The famine caused by the napoleonic wars, irelands potato famine. Just saying, there is other history.
If you want to learn more about this, Red Famine by Anne Applebaum and Bloodlands by Timothy Snyder.
Romanians starve to death too after ww2, Soviets pull lot’s of resources out of Romania, leaving people in difficulty to survive at the first natural disaster, they lost lot’s of animals in a water crisis and started to sell goods from the house to actually survive.
For most of them crimes Soviets never answer for invading poland, taking bessarabia from Romania and making agreements with nazi. Look today what soviets learn ! They no face charges for anything bad they done, and they feel free to do what ever harm they want to do in this world, just because they are nuclear power.
Sadly to believe there could be another war happening if there is use of nuclear weapons, if the nuclear weapons would be totally removed, then there would be lots of fights by now, considering the military politics are present nowadays.
It’s scary how communism isn’t treated like nazizm and fascism
Just another example of the evils of Capitalism…. ah shit nvm lol
You should read “Bloodlands”.
the holodomar was one of the worst atrocities in history hands down.
I’ve read about this in ‘everything flows’ by Vasili Grossman. A USSR journalist, it’s mindbogeling the things he describes. Parents cannibalising their starved children, entire villages wiped out by famine.
It’s one of those books that makes me thankfull that I live in a non-totalitarian society.
not only there
Reminder that nazis and communists should be resisted with equal ferocity
To be honest, almost everyone in the USSR was starving at that time, due to Stalin’s idiotic policies. He was not a competent statesmen despite what people think.
Still, Ukranians were hit that hard because Russian leadership was biased against them and appropriated what they produced.
And to this day there are still people denying the Holodomor.
I once had a discussion in another sub because some communist refused to accept that communism was, at least, as bad as Nazism because they also killed several millions of people.
He got hundreds of upvotes, I got downvoted to hell and even got banned for “promoting hate” in that sub.
And people still think ideologies are absent of issues just because they think theirs is the best one…
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I’m wondering what modern Ukraine would have looked like without holomodor, ww2 nazi atrocities, soviet rule, Chernobyl and the ongoing war. A country part of the most populous and powerful European countries, close to UK, France or Italy level no doubt. Such a waste…
Horrifying
also worth noting “This article is being considered for deletion in accordance with Wikipedia’s deletion policy.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_communist_regimes
1984 comes to life.
r/propagandaposters
2 hours from the time it was posted and already found some reddit ghoulish tankies, wohoo i am in luck!
Had a college professor try and tell my class that this wasn’t a genocide, just a famine.
Never met such an intelligent person say something so stupid
Ukrainian poet Oleksand Oles back then wrote poem which unfortunately is also relevant for current situation. In 1932-33 they starved to death around 7millions. In 2014-21 around 14k was killed by russian occupants.
When Ukraine for the right to life
fought with executioners,
lived and died
and waited only for sympathy ,
Europe was silent
When Ukraine in unequal struggle
all shed blood and tears flowed
And waited for friendly help,
Europe was silent
When Ukraine gathered bloody harvest
for the executioner,
died herself and even lost words from hunger ,
Europe was silent
When Ukraine cursed life and became a grave,
as tears rolled down the demon of evil,
Europe was silent
Putin: It.s fake news.
Mr Jones, movie showing Garreth jones (welsh journalist) who exposed the famine is recommended. It’s insane how easily media today exposes things within seconds with the internet available. Not the case back then with his story.
Stalin, Putin, Łukashenka, same shit different year. Our leaders won’t do shit about what’s happening to Ukraine/Belarus, but least we can do is stand in solidarity. As long as i breathe, i’ll be helping all Ukrainians and Belarusians who migrated here to poland or whatever country i’ll be living in next.
I invite everyone to do the same. Graphic designers, design posters and flyers! Audiophiles, make good use of your equipment and interview your local immigrants who want to speak out and need a platform! Writers, i don’t know shit about writing, just do your thing!
Change starts with people, and we don’t have a lot of time. If we struggle on the issue for too long, all that’ll be left for Ukrainians is to leave their homes and flee west. And right wing will act all oblivious on why we got another round of refugees after campaigning for our countries to “just focus on ourselves” ignoring what’s happening around us.
I suck at motivating speeches but come on, the people we’re talking about are same people as us. Except that they live in horrors you wouldn’t even believe. I considered myself rather educated on the subject by my father until i met people from Donetsk, Crimea, Minsk.
Many people here consider them less intelligent due to the fact that their polish is often not the best, forgetting that it’s not their first language, it’s tough af to learn, and in their home tongue i can listen to them for hours.
This isn’t another reddit problem like “A politician posted a mean comment online”, it’s hell that’s happening on earth right now. Right now people living in Donetsk are trying to visit their families, and are wondering if they’ll even make it back through the border again. Back in poland they have to watch their every step because an angry employer is all it takes for them to be sent back.
Please think about it and don’t dehumanize them.
edit: I know i sound triggered af, and frankly, yeah i am, i’m not denying that. I’m pissed off. My friends are living through hell, when i see their stories on fb when they’re at borders etc, i ask them “Please be careful” and not in a “You had a little to drink, be safe on your way home!” way. In a “Please don’t get shot please don’t get shot” way. I’m triggered, angry, pissed off.
My brother’s wife was born in the Ukrainian USSR in the 80’s, and she still has a grandma alive that was born in the 1930s. I often wonder how much terrible shit she has seen in her life. Holodomor, WW2, Stalinism, and more. I do wonder if being on the black sea towards Romania, and being a russian speaker spared her from the worst of the horrors
how come all those communist subreddits haven’t been banned yet?
they’re just as bad or even worse than the_donald, european, etc, all of which are banned
Soviet famin saw the deaths of over 20 million people. 5 million Russians died in the Moscow region alone…
Ah yes the toxic relationship between Rusdian and Ukraine, and you wonder why Ukraine is trying to stay away like a wife running from her abusive husband.
maybe in europe we should remember the atrocities of communism, seeing what is happening now.
One of the many ways in which the USSR resembled its predecessor was the way it treated the periphery nations like this.
I always see these posts, yet hardly have ever seen the starvation in India posted. The famine caused by the napoleonic wars, irelands potato famine. Just saying, there is other history.
If you want to learn more about this, Red Famine by Anne Applebaum and Bloodlands by Timothy Snyder.
Romanians starve to death too after ww2, Soviets pull lot’s of resources out of Romania, leaving people in difficulty to survive at the first natural disaster, they lost lot’s of animals in a water crisis and started to sell goods from the house to actually survive.
For most of them crimes Soviets never answer for invading poland, taking bessarabia from Romania and making agreements with nazi. Look today what soviets learn ! They no face charges for anything bad they done, and they feel free to do what ever harm they want to do in this world, just because they are nuclear power.
Sadly to believe there could be another war happening if there is use of nuclear weapons, if the nuclear weapons would be totally removed, then there would be lots of fights by now, considering the military politics are present nowadays.
It’s scary how communism isn’t treated like nazizm and fascism
Just another example of the evils of Capitalism…. ah shit nvm lol
You should read “Bloodlands”.
the holodomar was one of the worst atrocities in history hands down.
I’ve read about this in ‘everything flows’ by Vasili Grossman. A USSR journalist, it’s mindbogeling the things he describes. Parents cannibalising their starved children, entire villages wiped out by famine.
It’s one of those books that makes me thankfull that I live in a non-totalitarian society.
not only there
Reminder that nazis and communists should be resisted with equal ferocity
To be honest, almost everyone in the USSR was starving at that time, due to Stalin’s idiotic policies. He was not a competent statesmen despite what people think.
Still, Ukranians were hit that hard because Russian leadership was biased against them and appropriated what they produced.
And to this day there are still people denying the Holodomor.
I once had a discussion in another sub because some communist refused to accept that communism was, at least, as bad as Nazism because they also killed several millions of people.
He got hundreds of upvotes, I got downvoted to hell and even got banned for “promoting hate” in that sub.
And people still think ideologies are absent of issues just because they think theirs is the best one…