The problem with a system that runs on convention is that when you have someone this unconventional, power grubbing and dare I say, with such popularist-fascist tendencies, the whole, “Honorable friends following convention system” completely breaks down.
The convention is that governments do not block votes of no confidence. But unfortunately, this wobbly thatched moron has decided that he is above conventions because he was born to rule.
I hate this and you should hate it too.
> A senior Labour source told the Mirror: “The Government is refusing to give us time for a vote of no confidence in the Commons despite all the conventions that this should be granted.
Can we all just agree that conventions don’t work as there is no one honourable left to uphold them.
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What a dictator. The sooner he’s gone the better – and his colleagues.
Our constitution is just ridiculous. The very government which it is alleged we have no confidence in controls the scheduling of the confidence vote?
Literal fascism, not surprising from a far right leader.
He just doesn’t give a fuck, does he?
He knows how it looks, he doesn’t care because he’s in charge and we’re not.
Time for the Queen to break convention and sack this fat fucker.
Well this is pretty clearly an affront to democracy.
One cunt will be replaced by the next, The conservative party’s values will not change by electing a new leader.
So who was it again on this sub that was arguing that Johnson’s government wasn’t heading towards fascism?
Edit: It a rhetorical question – I have a list 😉
The problem is that he’ll be gone normally before any consequences can get in motion to deal with this.
Isn’t the speaker meant to step in? I thought they controlled parliamentary business.
What the fuck? He’s allowed to just say no to a vote against him?
“We have given Labour the option to table a straightforward vote of no confidence in the government.
“They have chosen to play politics by tabling a vote of no confidence in the government and the prime minister. As the prime minister has already resigned and a leadership process is under way we do not feel this is a valuable use of parliamentary time.
“Should Labour amend their motion appropriately, they can have the next business day for it to be debated.
That’s what a government spokesperson has said in response according to Sky News.
It’s a bit of a game
They added in his name specifically which is not standard in a typical vonc but has happened once before in 1965
Normally the vote is no confidence in the gov but this says “while Boris Johnson is in charge”
Trying to force the tories to either explicitly support him or trigger a ge
Whereas a normal vonc they wound be able to say “yes I support the gov” (not bojo specifically)
This… really makes no sense. So should Starmer just submit a new bid reading “OK fine, we thought this was obvious, but since the opposition apparently misunderstood us previously, we want a no-confidence vote for this whole government. Not, as they seem to have interpreted our previous attempt, a no confidence vote in Boris Johnson”
Boris has done well to show that there’s no true democracy here. There’s no rule he won’t change in his favour, no crime he won’t cover up, and no person or institution who can truly hold him accountable. He’s shown where the limits actually are- and shown that there aren’t any. Nobody’s checked to see if the barriers to this kind of behaviour actually work.
The country is his hostage now.
There will need to be a civil war before this cunt leaves office.
He’s already been forced to resign… but still can’t accept he’s not very good
How the hell is this legal in a “democracy”. Pathetic.
Edit: in hindsight, it’s silly of me to think that it being illegal would stop this government.
This is GOP Republicunt-level gamesmanship. Trumpmanship if you like.
Run it. Show the population just how unwilling the Tories are to face a vote in the time-honoured way.
You can at least say he’s setting plenty of records. First it was worst Prime Minister in the history of Britain, then it was record number of resignations since the 30’s, then first PM to change the ministerial code upon breaking it. Now we’ve got first PM to block a no-confidence vote in his own government.
How this man isn’t in prison for the rest of his life is a demonstrable failure of not just British politics, but British opinion on common decency.
Atleast Netflix has content to write about on Season 6 of The Crown
its purely so he can stay on till another Tory takes over. If they voted against him, it would mean he has to resign and actually leave and we’d have an election…they want another Tory leader to take over till the next election…which should scare the shit out of everyone.
Look at what we’ve had. David Cameron who was more center not at all for Brexit. Then you had T May who was soft brexit, then Boris, hard brexit, doesn’t give a shit much…so who would you have next, someone very far on the right no doubt, who would makes things a lot worse for the country than the last 3 all put together. A few of them are talking about big tax cuts which would no doubt be for corporations and the wealthy, and they’d take the money from the NHS etc to fund it…the final nail in the NHS
What do people expect from the Tory party? They no longer care about conservation of tradition. They are only interested in maintaining power to thieve.
Tory voters have facilitated this debacle.
Boris has absolutely convinced me we need a constitution. All of our hallowed “conventions” are easily broken and there are no blocks to rampant fascism. Our conventions must become laws or the UK is looking at a dark path ahead
Made the mistake of looking at facebook comments for the same headline. Genuine despair when I see so many comments saying good for Boris/lol labour lose again.
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I’m honestly struggling to come to terms with the fact that so many people are genuinely braindead
We are looking at a solid two months of non government at a time of great need Tories don’t dgaf they just wanna get richer. The next government will have to deal with the unions who are currently being ignored.
Isn’t this the point where the Royals intervene? A sick government overulling a confidence vote to get them out, I mean that’s the whole point of the confidence vote. The Tories denying it is a move from the dictatorship handbook.
“Everyone loves me”
“So are we allowed to ask people what they think of you?”
“Of course not, piss off”
This is no longer a democracy. Its dictatorship from the elite who are just born into money. It always has been really but the Tories have made everything a lot worse & more obvious. Nothing but a corrupt mafia.
I say we vote Plaid Cymru and abandon the sinking ship alongside the Scots
Shrodinger’s Johnson- you cant kick him out because he’s resigned, but he’s still prime minister because he hasn’t resigned.
How can **HE** block the confidence vote when he is the **SUBJECT** of such a vote??
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Because of course he does.
The problem with a system that runs on convention is that when you have someone this unconventional, power grubbing and dare I say, with such popularist-fascist tendencies, the whole, “Honorable friends following convention system” completely breaks down.
The convention is that governments do not block votes of no confidence. But unfortunately, this wobbly thatched moron has decided that he is above conventions because he was born to rule.
I hate this and you should hate it too.
> A senior Labour source told the Mirror: “The Government is refusing to give us time for a vote of no confidence in the Commons despite all the conventions that this should be granted.
Can we all just agree that conventions don’t work as there is no one honourable left to uphold them.
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What a dictator. The sooner he’s gone the better – and his colleagues.
Our constitution is just ridiculous. The very government which it is alleged we have no confidence in controls the scheduling of the confidence vote?
Literal fascism, not surprising from a far right leader.
He just doesn’t give a fuck, does he?
He knows how it looks, he doesn’t care because he’s in charge and we’re not.
Time for the Queen to break convention and sack this fat fucker.
Well this is pretty clearly an affront to democracy.
One cunt will be replaced by the next, The conservative party’s values will not change by electing a new leader.
So who was it again on this sub that was arguing that Johnson’s government wasn’t heading towards fascism?
Edit: It a rhetorical question – I have a list 😉
The problem is that he’ll be gone normally before any consequences can get in motion to deal with this.
Isn’t the speaker meant to step in? I thought they controlled parliamentary business.
What the fuck? He’s allowed to just say no to a vote against him?
“We have given Labour the option to table a straightforward vote of no confidence in the government.
“They have chosen to play politics by tabling a vote of no confidence in the government and the prime minister. As the prime minister has already resigned and a leadership process is under way we do not feel this is a valuable use of parliamentary time.
“Should Labour amend their motion appropriately, they can have the next business day for it to be debated.
That’s what a government spokesperson has said in response according to Sky News.
It’s a bit of a game
They added in his name specifically which is not standard in a typical vonc but has happened once before in 1965
Normally the vote is no confidence in the gov but this says “while Boris Johnson is in charge”
Trying to force the tories to either explicitly support him or trigger a ge
Whereas a normal vonc they wound be able to say “yes I support the gov” (not bojo specifically)
This… really makes no sense. So should Starmer just submit a new bid reading “OK fine, we thought this was obvious, but since the opposition apparently misunderstood us previously, we want a no-confidence vote for this whole government. Not, as they seem to have interpreted our previous attempt, a no confidence vote in Boris Johnson”
Boris has done well to show that there’s no true democracy here. There’s no rule he won’t change in his favour, no crime he won’t cover up, and no person or institution who can truly hold him accountable. He’s shown where the limits actually are- and shown that there aren’t any. Nobody’s checked to see if the barriers to this kind of behaviour actually work.
The country is his hostage now.
There will need to be a civil war before this cunt leaves office.
He’s already been forced to resign… but still can’t accept he’s not very good
How the hell is this legal in a “democracy”. Pathetic.
Edit: in hindsight, it’s silly of me to think that it being illegal would stop this government.
This is GOP Republicunt-level gamesmanship. Trumpmanship if you like.
Run it. Show the population just how unwilling the Tories are to face a vote in the time-honoured way.
You can at least say he’s setting plenty of records. First it was worst Prime Minister in the history of Britain, then it was record number of resignations since the 30’s, then first PM to change the ministerial code upon breaking it. Now we’ve got first PM to block a no-confidence vote in his own government.
How this man isn’t in prison for the rest of his life is a demonstrable failure of not just British politics, but British opinion on common decency.
Atleast Netflix has content to write about on Season 6 of The Crown
its purely so he can stay on till another Tory takes over. If they voted against him, it would mean he has to resign and actually leave and we’d have an election…they want another Tory leader to take over till the next election…which should scare the shit out of everyone.
Look at what we’ve had. David Cameron who was more center not at all for Brexit. Then you had T May who was soft brexit, then Boris, hard brexit, doesn’t give a shit much…so who would you have next, someone very far on the right no doubt, who would makes things a lot worse for the country than the last 3 all put together. A few of them are talking about big tax cuts which would no doubt be for corporations and the wealthy, and they’d take the money from the NHS etc to fund it…the final nail in the NHS
What do people expect from the Tory party? They no longer care about conservation of tradition. They are only interested in maintaining power to thieve.
Tory voters have facilitated this debacle.
Boris has absolutely convinced me we need a constitution. All of our hallowed “conventions” are easily broken and there are no blocks to rampant fascism. Our conventions must become laws or the UK is looking at a dark path ahead
Made the mistake of looking at facebook comments for the same headline. Genuine despair when I see so many comments saying good for Boris/lol labour lose again.
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I’m honestly struggling to come to terms with the fact that so many people are genuinely braindead
We are looking at a solid two months of non government at a time of great need Tories don’t dgaf they just wanna get richer. The next government will have to deal with the unions who are currently being ignored.
Isn’t this the point where the Royals intervene? A sick government overulling a confidence vote to get them out, I mean that’s the whole point of the confidence vote. The Tories denying it is a move from the dictatorship handbook.
“Everyone loves me”
“So are we allowed to ask people what they think of you?”
“Of course not, piss off”
This is no longer a democracy. Its dictatorship from the elite who are just born into money. It always has been really but the Tories have made everything a lot worse & more obvious. Nothing but a corrupt mafia.
I say we vote Plaid Cymru and abandon the sinking ship alongside the Scots
Shrodinger’s Johnson- you cant kick him out because he’s resigned, but he’s still prime minister because he hasn’t resigned.
How can **HE** block the confidence vote when he is the **SUBJECT** of such a vote??