could be an opportunity to socialise – isn’t it more likely that people will get deliberately discouraged if they go to places like shopping centres to keep warm? I can imagine stuff like communal seating will be removed for example, if it gets used by ‘non-paying’ people.
This is an advantage of working long hours at work, I guess… I’m usually out from 7am to 10/11pm everyday and often the weekend too depending on workload. Helps to cut back on fuel costs heating my flat! (Well, it would do if I wasn’t splitting the bill with flat mates who WFH…)
Also work pays for dinner if still working past 8pm, well I suppose I’ll just keep a sleeping bag in my office too.
I imagine libraries and places like that are already popular for keeping warm in the winter.
Working from home may become less popular too, will be interesting to see after the summer.
A couple I know who are disabled will sit in Wetherspoons from morning til night in the colder months, they both have a coffee each which I believe is bottomless (probably isn’t now), so for £1.98 a day they’d keep warm in there (again, probably not now 99p a cup)
Other people will sit in the bookies all day, free tea and coffee, heater on full blast while they sit and do a 50p bet now and then.
Bring back the mead hall … or the longhouse. Oh, damn, they became pubs… and most are now closed. :/
In all seriousness, not all people could walk or get to a communal ‘warm bank’, even if this is deemed remotely acceptable. Walking in ice and snow is treacherous for all, possibly deadly for the elderly or less nimble.
District Heating would be a good idea albeit more of a long term idea. On a recent episode of Secrets of the London Underground they showed a project that used waste heat from the trains to heat the neighbourhood.
Collectively we broke society
But it’s ok because we created a class of maybe fewer than a thousand people worldwide who control something like 75% of the entire global wealth
A class of people who didn’t exist at all in human history even as late as the 1980’s
A class who’s members make something insane like as much as 100,000 times or 1,000,000 the median income of the countries they live in.
We made the wealth and inequality gap between a medieval serf and their liege lord not just larger, not 100 times larger but tens of thousands of times larger……
Amazing
Just amazing
If it gets to that point just dont pay…
Or people returning to the office en masse so they can be warm on someone else’s pound. Or spend as much time as possible in pubs or coffee shops, wherever companies are paying for the heating.
I suspect we will find a way to villainise these people too. They will be treated the same as those who use food banks are, as if this is a way of life that people are choosing to live. People do not want to use food banks or clothes banks, they will not want to use heating banks either. It’s embarrassing to think that there are people out there who believe the likes of Mail when they frame all of their poor-bashing as people choosing Netflix and avocado toast over essentials. Cold and damp housing is a breeding ground for mould and illnesses, no one is going to choose amazing shows like Is It Cake? over hacking up their lungs. This is all a symptom of those at the top not even bothering to pretend to care about the average person.
Add on top the increase in house fires this winter as people try and burn things to stay warm.
Don’t worry, Keir Starmer is promising to remove charitable status from private schools.
I’m not sure how this will help but I imagine it will.
Conversely, I was sat in Wetherspoons for the aircon today. £3.25 for breakfast and unlimited coffee refills is great value.
Don’t (currently) agree with the argument that going into the office is better value than heating a home. If my wife and I head into London that’s ~£18 just for the TfL charges.
The saying “the true measure of any society can be found in how it treats its most vulnerable” can be applied here. People were struggling before this ‘crisis’ but it never changed anything. Now enough change might be achieved to take things back to ‘normal’ as people will see fit, where only the poor who deserve to suffer will suffer poverty.
However, I’m of the belief and hope that capitalism is now beyond recovery, we’re witnessing its final hours and we only have the choice to completely reform society casting away material ideologies or be doomed to complete collapse.
Shopping centres about to be busy again, but not for spending.
Tory1: write that down write that down!!!
Tory2: and we could feed them gruel and make them do menial manual labour
Tory3: yeah yeah yeah, can’t be cold in a sweat shop, stands to reason that
Nationalise the lot without compensation as a fine for looting the country.
I always think back to some Frankie Boyle monologue about Brexit and the festival of Brexit, where we’d all end up waving flags around the annual ceremonial burning of a fatburg. It would be a popular event because the fatburg would not just give off light but heat as well.
Its called a Pub Martin. This was the case in the 80’s most pubs/McDonald’s had a few old dudes nursing a coffee all day. Sad to go back to that.
Yet people still will not riot and mass protest. What will it take?
At uni we used to save up our paper/cardboard recycling and gather sticks and logs from nearby woods to burn in a dustbin by the back door, stand around it in the evenings with drinks and a tinny old Bluetooth speaker.
Much cheaper than putting money on the gas meter, looks a practice I’ll be reviving this winter.
We already do this. When it’s too hot outside we head indoors to public spaces like libraries or cafés etc. Difference is… We shouldn’t have to because it’s too cold in the fucking house. They’re talking about this energy emergency lasting into 2023/24. Absolutely insane.
These days I actually feel quite lucky to live in a van when winter comes. It’s always been a struggle – I have a wood burner but that means finding or buying wood, chainsawing, chopping, trying to get a fire lit when the wood is wet, it’s raining, and I’ve just got in from work. I’ve done this for many years though and I’m mostly used to it. The past couple of winters, while it’s still just as much hassle, I’ve come to realise that I’m often warmer than my mates who live in bricks n mortar. I’m heating a much smaller space and it’s insulated as best I can manage.
I do know some people in older houses are unblocking old chimneys and using fire places that were plastered over decades ago – I have a mate who’s got a side gig as a chimney sweep and he’s busier each year.
This time of year the van is like a fucking oven, of course. Can’t have everything.
I heard Councils were dropping off a communal oil drums to huddle around.
Sunak has also pledged each family will be getting a free potato if he wins.
Guys I say this every 6 to 8 months, #generalstrike
Do you know how insane it is that the councils are toying with the idea of this instead of fucking enforcing the will of the people, which was a windfall tax on the big energy suppliers.
What are you guys complaining about? You wanted net-zero, now you’re going to get it.
>It’s experts said bills could rise from today’s record £1,971 to £3,245 in October and then further to £3,364 at the start of next year.
Fish me – why is Martin Lewis the only one talking about this?
Heat banks? They sound like a novel idea.
Said this in a different post… if I have to choose between energy bills and food as alot of others will, we should pay the energy and then collectively loot superstores for our food, they can’t arrest all of us.
This man just goes up and up in my estimation.
He is all over the place trying to raise awareness of the worsening crisis.
A month ago I knew who he was but had never watched his show.
Recently I have seen him on Newsnight and a lengthy interview with Nick Robinson on the BBC (Political Thinking). In the Nick Robinson interview Martin came over as someone who genuinely cares. He said he feels his mental health has been damaged as he feels there is no real advice he can give people to save money.
I’m glad he is using his profile to bring attention to the fact the govt needs to act.
Successive govts over decades have contributed to this crisis. They have failed to invest in energy infrastructure. Easier to import gas, LNG & Electricity instead of building new power stations. Failing to replace the capacity when nuclear power plants came to termination date. Failure to invest enough in renewables. Govt says were are at the mercy of global markets…. but we needn’t have been.
It’s proving impossible to get most people to be worried about this at the moment, particularly those who are still on their lovely fixed tariffs.
Martin’s doing his best to warn us, but everyone else seems to be mostly ostriching. I’m currently paying £460 a month (4 bed house, 3 half grown up children, my wife and I both have businesses that work from home) after being dumped by Avro to an Octopus variable tariff. These next few months are going to be awful for many people.
I remember Emperor Blair taking the free Beef and butter away from the poor. someone in the party stating that the poor people of the Uk had enough money to live on and didn’t need the EU food mountain to feed the poor of the united kingdom lol
Poverty will never change for the good of humanity.
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could be an opportunity to socialise – isn’t it more likely that people will get deliberately discouraged if they go to places like shopping centres to keep warm? I can imagine stuff like communal seating will be removed for example, if it gets used by ‘non-paying’ people.
This is an advantage of working long hours at work, I guess… I’m usually out from 7am to 10/11pm everyday and often the weekend too depending on workload. Helps to cut back on fuel costs heating my flat! (Well, it would do if I wasn’t splitting the bill with flat mates who WFH…)
Also work pays for dinner if still working past 8pm, well I suppose I’ll just keep a sleeping bag in my office too.
I imagine libraries and places like that are already popular for keeping warm in the winter.
Working from home may become less popular too, will be interesting to see after the summer.
A couple I know who are disabled will sit in Wetherspoons from morning til night in the colder months, they both have a coffee each which I believe is bottomless (probably isn’t now), so for £1.98 a day they’d keep warm in there (again, probably not now 99p a cup)
Other people will sit in the bookies all day, free tea and coffee, heater on full blast while they sit and do a 50p bet now and then.
Bring back the mead hall … or the longhouse. Oh, damn, they became pubs… and most are now closed. :/
In all seriousness, not all people could walk or get to a communal ‘warm bank’, even if this is deemed remotely acceptable. Walking in ice and snow is treacherous for all, possibly deadly for the elderly or less nimble.
District Heating would be a good idea albeit more of a long term idea. On a recent episode of Secrets of the London Underground they showed a project that used waste heat from the trains to heat the neighbourhood.
Collectively we broke society
But it’s ok because we created a class of maybe fewer than a thousand people worldwide who control something like 75% of the entire global wealth
A class of people who didn’t exist at all in human history even as late as the 1980’s
A class who’s members make something insane like as much as 100,000 times or 1,000,000 the median income of the countries they live in.
We made the wealth and inequality gap between a medieval serf and their liege lord not just larger, not 100 times larger but tens of thousands of times larger……
Amazing
Just amazing
If it gets to that point just dont pay…
Or people returning to the office en masse so they can be warm on someone else’s pound. Or spend as much time as possible in pubs or coffee shops, wherever companies are paying for the heating.
I suspect we will find a way to villainise these people too. They will be treated the same as those who use food banks are, as if this is a way of life that people are choosing to live. People do not want to use food banks or clothes banks, they will not want to use heating banks either. It’s embarrassing to think that there are people out there who believe the likes of Mail when they frame all of their poor-bashing as people choosing Netflix and avocado toast over essentials. Cold and damp housing is a breeding ground for mould and illnesses, no one is going to choose amazing shows like Is It Cake? over hacking up their lungs. This is all a symptom of those at the top not even bothering to pretend to care about the average person.
Add on top the increase in house fires this winter as people try and burn things to stay warm.
Don’t worry, Keir Starmer is promising to remove charitable status from private schools.
I’m not sure how this will help but I imagine it will.
Conversely, I was sat in Wetherspoons for the aircon today. £3.25 for breakfast and unlimited coffee refills is great value.
Don’t (currently) agree with the argument that going into the office is better value than heating a home. If my wife and I head into London that’s ~£18 just for the TfL charges.
The saying “the true measure of any society can be found in how it treats its most vulnerable” can be applied here. People were struggling before this ‘crisis’ but it never changed anything. Now enough change might be achieved to take things back to ‘normal’ as people will see fit, where only the poor who deserve to suffer will suffer poverty.
However, I’m of the belief and hope that capitalism is now beyond recovery, we’re witnessing its final hours and we only have the choice to completely reform society casting away material ideologies or be doomed to complete collapse.
Shopping centres about to be busy again, but not for spending.
Tory1: write that down write that down!!!
Tory2: and we could feed them gruel and make them do menial manual labour
Tory3: yeah yeah yeah, can’t be cold in a sweat shop, stands to reason that
Nationalise the lot without compensation as a fine for looting the country.
I always think back to some Frankie Boyle monologue about Brexit and the festival of Brexit, where we’d all end up waving flags around the annual ceremonial burning of a fatburg. It would be a popular event because the fatburg would not just give off light but heat as well.
Its called a Pub Martin. This was the case in the 80’s most pubs/McDonald’s had a few old dudes nursing a coffee all day. Sad to go back to that.
Yet people still will not riot and mass protest. What will it take?
At uni we used to save up our paper/cardboard recycling and gather sticks and logs from nearby woods to burn in a dustbin by the back door, stand around it in the evenings with drinks and a tinny old Bluetooth speaker.
Much cheaper than putting money on the gas meter, looks a practice I’ll be reviving this winter.
We already do this. When it’s too hot outside we head indoors to public spaces like libraries or cafés etc. Difference is… We shouldn’t have to because it’s too cold in the fucking house. They’re talking about this energy emergency lasting into 2023/24. Absolutely insane.
These days I actually feel quite lucky to live in a van when winter comes. It’s always been a struggle – I have a wood burner but that means finding or buying wood, chainsawing, chopping, trying to get a fire lit when the wood is wet, it’s raining, and I’ve just got in from work. I’ve done this for many years though and I’m mostly used to it. The past couple of winters, while it’s still just as much hassle, I’ve come to realise that I’m often warmer than my mates who live in bricks n mortar. I’m heating a much smaller space and it’s insulated as best I can manage.
I do know some people in older houses are unblocking old chimneys and using fire places that were plastered over decades ago – I have a mate who’s got a side gig as a chimney sweep and he’s busier each year.
This time of year the van is like a fucking oven, of course. Can’t have everything.
I heard Councils were dropping off a communal oil drums to huddle around.
Sunak has also pledged each family will be getting a free potato if he wins.
Guys I say this every 6 to 8 months, #generalstrike
Do you know how insane it is that the councils are toying with the idea of this instead of fucking enforcing the will of the people, which was a windfall tax on the big energy suppliers.
What are you guys complaining about? You wanted net-zero, now you’re going to get it.
No heat -> no carbon emissions.
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>It’s experts said bills could rise from today’s record £1,971 to £3,245 in October and then further to £3,364 at the start of next year.
Fish me – why is Martin Lewis the only one talking about this?
Heat banks? They sound like a novel idea.
Said this in a different post… if I have to choose between energy bills and food as alot of others will, we should pay the energy and then collectively loot superstores for our food, they can’t arrest all of us.
This man just goes up and up in my estimation.
He is all over the place trying to raise awareness of the worsening crisis.
A month ago I knew who he was but had never watched his show.
Recently I have seen him on Newsnight and a lengthy interview with Nick Robinson on the BBC (Political Thinking). In the Nick Robinson interview Martin came over as someone who genuinely cares. He said he feels his mental health has been damaged as he feels there is no real advice he can give people to save money.
I’m glad he is using his profile to bring attention to the fact the govt needs to act.
Successive govts over decades have contributed to this crisis. They have failed to invest in energy infrastructure. Easier to import gas, LNG & Electricity instead of building new power stations. Failing to replace the capacity when nuclear power plants came to termination date. Failure to invest enough in renewables. Govt says were are at the mercy of global markets…. but we needn’t have been.
It’s proving impossible to get most people to be worried about this at the moment, particularly those who are still on their lovely fixed tariffs.
Martin’s doing his best to warn us, but everyone else seems to be mostly ostriching. I’m currently paying £460 a month (4 bed house, 3 half grown up children, my wife and I both have businesses that work from home) after being dumped by Avro to an Octopus variable tariff. These next few months are going to be awful for many people.
I remember Emperor Blair taking the free Beef and butter away from the poor. someone in the party stating that the poor people of the Uk had enough money to live on and didn’t need the EU food mountain to feed the poor of the united kingdom lol
Poverty will never change for the good of humanity.