They’re not final offers until they’re accepted. I don’t think they really appreciate how industrial action works.
I don’t think this dude appreciates how suit tailoring works either. Makes him look like he’s gonna snap at the knee
Time you went on strike I’d say, these industries have society over a barrel why would they not get what they’re worth?
Sorry, a pay cut is *not* generous
A predicted 6% pay cut is generous ?
Imagine having the audacity to call what is effectively a real wage cut of six percent “generous”. Casual reminder that MPs awarded themselves a 9 percent pay rise back in 2019. Now that was generous, especially with the public sector were restricted to 1 percent at the time. It’s also now being topped up to handle the COL crisis. The contempt is very real.
These “generous” pay rises are in fact pay cuts. Perhaps the unions should do a deal with the government. If all Tory MPs donate 5% of their wealth to charity so that they are 5% worse off this year, then the workers will also agree to taking a pay cut. Richy Sunak would only need to donate 37 million or so (take your pick of currency) to achieve a 5% cut – sounds generous enough to me.
I look forward to them having to find scabs for 15 different striking sectors.
That Jacob Rees-Mogg looking clown needs to get off his high horse if he thinks 5% is generous in 2022.
There is a lack of nuanced information being disseminated about NHS pay increases. The percentage pay increase depends on your banding and is not 4-5% for all NHS workers as the government and media keep stating.
I work in the NHS and the pay increase is 2.6% this year for myself, not 4-5%. For a number of other bandings it is less.
How Is it not clear to normal people. Tory government don’t give a flying fuck about plebs
Due to inflation my reckoning is that their receipts for vat will go up by the amount of inflation so they will have extra money to pay us if they chose.
We (fire service) got offered just 2%…..
That’s about £650 a year….before tax. Not even enough to pay for the increase in energy prices.
But we did get a load of Twitter posts from MPs saying thanks this week for fighting some of the worst fires since WW2….so I guess we will use them to fuel our cars, power our homes and feed our families.
Private sector here; I’ve just had a second round of payrises for the year, total pay upluft now since April running at 12%+ with an approx 11% bonus earlier in the year.
MPs and tories in general often bemoan the public sector for not being more “business like” but seem to ignore the fact that businesses who employ qualified professionals (the most appropriate proxy for NHS and local government, schools etc; zero point saying “but i got no payrise at the pie gristle factory” when you’re talking about sectors that largely employ graduates and qualified staff) are going to great lengths currently to keep their staff. The “business like” response here would be to give public sector bodies more flexibility on pay to retain good people.
Far from doing as Boris asked and being restrained, private sector employers are handing out large increases unprompted and I’m under no illusions that part of that is about looking over their shoulder at union activity in the public sector and preemptively stepping on it and I’m grateful to public sector peers fighting for better conditions as it has a knock on effect everywhere.
Of course a key differentiator between the sectors is pensions. Pensions are generally far more generous in the public sector but if you need to pay bills right now, a generous DB pension doesn’t help. Part of me wonders whether the solution to this, rightly or wrongly, isn’t for a renegotiation of pensions deals (which are unsustainable in some cases) to bring some of the 15 to 20% public sector bodies pay on top of payroll as contributions into current pay though, before anyone jumps on me, i appreciate how much of a bitter pill to swallow that might be given it will largely be younger generations impacted.
Either way; public sector staff largely worked through the pandemic and in the case of emergency services, teachers and a lot of local government staff, were asked to run towards the crisis whilst the rest of us holed up at home. It’s unconscionable now to expect burnt out public servants to have to fight like this just to stand still.
Open up the fucking purse strings, Nadim.
This guy has a decent chance of being the Chancellor in a few months, so we can look forward to Liz Truss’s new corporate tax cuts being coupled with ongoing inflation, wage repression and intense public spending cuts.
Although I am no fan and hope whoever wins loses the next GE, Sunak is genuinely the better and safer option of the two, so you can guarentee the Conservative members will put Truss in post with a sacking majority.
Anything less than 10% is a pay cut, so I don’t see why they would be accepted.
Pay cuts of 5% are not generous
This whole country needs to strike! The French wouldn’t put up with this bullshit! Greed prevails and they will kill us all off soon enough.
Lol, we’ll see about that pal
Payrise = 5%
Inflation = 12 %
If inflation > payrise then paycut = True
Pretty simple. This is not generous, it’s an insult.
Not generous in times like these. Inflation.
What they’re offering is a 6.1% pay cut
In the case of teachers, inflation has risen 15% since their last pay rise already
Didn’t they get an 11% pay raise?
Hey minister, I have enough of this shit pay saved up to not turn up for 2 and half years.
Try me.
How awful, strike strike strike
My company gave us a 4.5% pay rise and when we argued, I literally got;
– do you think you should be paid more for working more?
– we don’t take inflation into account when deciding pay rises.
Lol
Hmm. Strikes it is then.
“5% pay rises are generous and final offers”… says man who recently voted with his colleagues to give themselves a 13% pay rise plus increased living expenses, while complaining about the cheap champagne on offer in the free bar/restaurant at work.
5% is neither generous, nor a final offer
Narrator: ministers were wrong.
Unpopular opinion but government should be monitoring pay rises to ensure public sector roles have money to pay for employees. No good paying someone 10% more if it means cutting roles and upping workload by 15%.
What the government really SHOULD be doing to help us all is looking at ways to keep costs of living down. Rents, utilities, food, transport – the government can regulate these and keep costs low but choose not to. Instead they create a divide amongst us and smoke and mirrors about who deserves more pay.
The Minister believes a pay cut is generous. How is getting 4% less than inflation ‘generous’?
They’re not generous when they’re still under the rate of inflation. At 5% workers still lose.
I’d take that if offered.
As a public servant, I was only offered 2% for the 7th-8th yeah in a row.
Fuck them, and fuck that, general strike is the only way to bring the government and corrupt companies to heel.
5% ‘final’ offer for a raise.
10% inflation.
Are they even trying to be reasonable here?
I’d be happy to simply have all the public sector pay bodies run the same way as MPs do. Seems like a plan to me. Though I’d also accept their pay body working the same way as ours. See if they start to refuse the 9% payrises.
Not as generous as the pay rises MPs gave to themselves
Wages needs to be tied to inflation. We’re seeing 9% inflation right now, 5% pay rise is still worse off than last year.
So about a 5% pay cut on top of over a decade of pay cuts
still getting a pay cut of 4% after inflation. MaThS!
In fairness, the Torys have proved the last few years that they don’t understand negotiations.
Pay rises will still be required until industry owners stop keeping profits. The Tories cannot talk people out of cost-of-living crises and terrible wealth distribution forever. Then again, if they want a modern day equivalent of the French Revolution against them, I won’t complain.
I work in the private sector, I have nothing even close to the job security, quality of working environment or ethos that comes with a “government job”. If it doesn’t suit your requirements working for the government then go elsewhere. It’s not all about wages is it…….or is it ?
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They’re not final offers until they’re accepted. I don’t think they really appreciate how industrial action works.
I don’t think this dude appreciates how suit tailoring works either. Makes him look like he’s gonna snap at the knee
Time you went on strike I’d say, these industries have society over a barrel why would they not get what they’re worth?
Sorry, a pay cut is *not* generous
A predicted 6% pay cut is generous ?
Imagine having the audacity to call what is effectively a real wage cut of six percent “generous”. Casual reminder that MPs awarded themselves a 9 percent pay rise back in 2019. Now that was generous, especially with the public sector were restricted to 1 percent at the time. It’s also now being topped up to handle the COL crisis. The contempt is very real.
These “generous” pay rises are in fact pay cuts. Perhaps the unions should do a deal with the government. If all Tory MPs donate 5% of their wealth to charity so that they are 5% worse off this year, then the workers will also agree to taking a pay cut. Richy Sunak would only need to donate 37 million or so (take your pick of currency) to achieve a 5% cut – sounds generous enough to me.
I look forward to them having to find scabs for 15 different striking sectors.
That Jacob Rees-Mogg looking clown needs to get off his high horse if he thinks 5% is generous in 2022.
There is a lack of nuanced information being disseminated about NHS pay increases. The percentage pay increase depends on your banding and is not 4-5% for all NHS workers as the government and media keep stating.
I work in the NHS and the pay increase is 2.6% this year for myself, not 4-5%. For a number of other bandings it is less.
How Is it not clear to normal people. Tory government don’t give a flying fuck about plebs
Due to inflation my reckoning is that their receipts for vat will go up by the amount of inflation so they will have extra money to pay us if they chose.
We (fire service) got offered just 2%…..
That’s about £650 a year….before tax. Not even enough to pay for the increase in energy prices.
But we did get a load of Twitter posts from MPs saying thanks this week for fighting some of the worst fires since WW2….so I guess we will use them to fuel our cars, power our homes and feed our families.
Private sector here; I’ve just had a second round of payrises for the year, total pay upluft now since April running at 12%+ with an approx 11% bonus earlier in the year.
MPs and tories in general often bemoan the public sector for not being more “business like” but seem to ignore the fact that businesses who employ qualified professionals (the most appropriate proxy for NHS and local government, schools etc; zero point saying “but i got no payrise at the pie gristle factory” when you’re talking about sectors that largely employ graduates and qualified staff) are going to great lengths currently to keep their staff. The “business like” response here would be to give public sector bodies more flexibility on pay to retain good people.
Far from doing as Boris asked and being restrained, private sector employers are handing out large increases unprompted and I’m under no illusions that part of that is about looking over their shoulder at union activity in the public sector and preemptively stepping on it and I’m grateful to public sector peers fighting for better conditions as it has a knock on effect everywhere.
Of course a key differentiator between the sectors is pensions. Pensions are generally far more generous in the public sector but if you need to pay bills right now, a generous DB pension doesn’t help. Part of me wonders whether the solution to this, rightly or wrongly, isn’t for a renegotiation of pensions deals (which are unsustainable in some cases) to bring some of the 15 to 20% public sector bodies pay on top of payroll as contributions into current pay though, before anyone jumps on me, i appreciate how much of a bitter pill to swallow that might be given it will largely be younger generations impacted.
Either way; public sector staff largely worked through the pandemic and in the case of emergency services, teachers and a lot of local government staff, were asked to run towards the crisis whilst the rest of us holed up at home. It’s unconscionable now to expect burnt out public servants to have to fight like this just to stand still.
Open up the fucking purse strings, Nadim.
This guy has a decent chance of being the Chancellor in a few months, so we can look forward to Liz Truss’s new corporate tax cuts being coupled with ongoing inflation, wage repression and intense public spending cuts.
Although I am no fan and hope whoever wins loses the next GE, Sunak is genuinely the better and safer option of the two, so you can guarentee the Conservative members will put Truss in post with a sacking majority.
Anything less than 10% is a pay cut, so I don’t see why they would be accepted.
Pay cuts of 5% are not generous
This whole country needs to strike! The French wouldn’t put up with this bullshit! Greed prevails and they will kill us all off soon enough.
Lol, we’ll see about that pal
Payrise = 5%
Inflation = 12 %
If inflation > payrise then paycut = True
Pretty simple. This is not generous, it’s an insult.
Not generous in times like these. Inflation.
What they’re offering is a 6.1% pay cut
In the case of teachers, inflation has risen 15% since their last pay rise already
Didn’t they get an 11% pay raise?
Hey minister, I have enough of this shit pay saved up to not turn up for 2 and half years.
Try me.
How awful, strike strike strike
My company gave us a 4.5% pay rise and when we argued, I literally got;
– do you think you should be paid more for working more?
– we don’t take inflation into account when deciding pay rises.
Lol
Hmm. Strikes it is then.
“5% pay rises are generous and final offers”… says man who recently voted with his colleagues to give themselves a 13% pay rise plus increased living expenses, while complaining about the cheap champagne on offer in the free bar/restaurant at work.
5% is neither generous, nor a final offer
Narrator: ministers were wrong.
Unpopular opinion but government should be monitoring pay rises to ensure public sector roles have money to pay for employees. No good paying someone 10% more if it means cutting roles and upping workload by 15%.
What the government really SHOULD be doing to help us all is looking at ways to keep costs of living down. Rents, utilities, food, transport – the government can regulate these and keep costs low but choose not to. Instead they create a divide amongst us and smoke and mirrors about who deserves more pay.
The Minister believes a pay cut is generous. How is getting 4% less than inflation ‘generous’?
They’re not generous when they’re still under the rate of inflation. At 5% workers still lose.
I’d take that if offered.
As a public servant, I was only offered 2% for the 7th-8th yeah in a row.
Fuck them, and fuck that, general strike is the only way to bring the government and corrupt companies to heel.
5% ‘final’ offer for a raise.
10% inflation.
Are they even trying to be reasonable here?
I’d be happy to simply have all the public sector pay bodies run the same way as MPs do. Seems like a plan to me. Though I’d also accept their pay body working the same way as ours. See if they start to refuse the 9% payrises.
Not as generous as the pay rises MPs gave to themselves
Wages needs to be tied to inflation. We’re seeing 9% inflation right now, 5% pay rise is still worse off than last year.
So about a 5% pay cut on top of over a decade of pay cuts
still getting a pay cut of 4% after inflation. MaThS!
In fairness, the Torys have proved the last few years that they don’t understand negotiations.
Pay rises will still be required until industry owners stop keeping profits. The Tories cannot talk people out of cost-of-living crises and terrible wealth distribution forever. Then again, if they want a modern day equivalent of the French Revolution against them, I won’t complain.
I work in the private sector, I have nothing even close to the job security, quality of working environment or ethos that comes with a “government job”. If it doesn’t suit your requirements working for the government then go elsewhere. It’s not all about wages is it…….or is it ?