Price I’d presume plays a part. Going for a night out even if you’ve been pre drinking is fucking extortionate.
Same reason they arent having kids, buying homes and appear to be ‘killing off’ most traditional sectors? They’ve had every last bit of value extracted from their labour to maximise profits and simply can’t afford it or are at least having to prioritise other aspects of their life just to cope
Weird, my pub business is booming.
According to my niece and nephew (21 and 19) the two big factors are price and security. Security is more of an issue for him than her – he is well aware that if he takes a kicking while drunk he’s likely to be treated as a suspect rather than a victim, regardless of the circumstance.
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In addition to safety, I bet image plays a part. If the likes of Instagram had been around in the 90s, we also may have thought twice about falling over, puking and worse.
I would have thought this is down to cost. It’s expensive. I’m not gen z, but I’ve never drank and I’ve always thought it was expensive! Even more so now as we’ve got less and less disposable income.
Probably because buying a single round for your mates costs an entire days wages…
Because theres more options for socialising now too. You still have a few drinks but its not “as” common to go out specifically to get plastered.
There are likely a lot of factors going on here. Speaking as a sixth form teacher I can say this:
Young people generally are much less social than when I was at school; to be more precise, they spend a greater portion of their time socialising online rather than in person so the opportunities for social drinking have diminished.
Obviously cost is the major factor due to the recent rising cost of living. However, youth drinking has been declining for a while now. The recent economic impact is not the sole factor.
Finally, a larger proportion of young people come from different cultural backgrounds which often have stronger taboos and prohibitions on alcohol.
To be clear, where I teach very few students are drinking alcohol or living lives of sex, drugs and decadence, because most of my students in Huddersfield here are Muslims! Fantastic, if you ask me.
I’m honestly happy for them, my neice is 17 now and has the occasional glass of wine but has 0 interest in getting smashed. She’s seen some of her friends get into absolute states and had to look after them too which I think definitely put her off. When I was her age all I wanted to do at the weekend, was get stoned and drunk with my mates, try our luck getting into the local pubs and inevitably end up in a park or on someone’s estate till silly hours of the morning.
I’m Gen z, and it’s making me cringe all the people blaming the cost. I don’t think that’s it. I don’t drink and neither do any of my mates, we still spend that money on weed or psychedelics, just not alcohol. Personally I just don’t enjoy being drunk and I’m really not a fan of pub culture. I think the internet might have another role to play as well, we do a lot more socialising online playing games and stuff, which drinking just doesn’t mesh with as opposed to getting high. I know way more people who smoke weed than drink, but maybe that’s just my social circles.
I like to have a few really cold beers outside, when the weather nice with a few friends and a couple of dogs. It’s lovely. But aside from the local spoons, which doesn’t have a beer garden, a pint is £4-£4.50, for anything, Carling, Stella etc basic stuff.
You can get an 18 pack of fans for the price of less than 3 pints and we all have gardens, so why bother?
And now that’s really been pared down to once every so often as can’t even justify spending that every other weekend.
Obviously it’s because they hate the alcoholic beverage sector and they want to kill it off and end all associated employment/economic activity.
Turns out every company being greedy and constantly hiking prices and keeping wages stagnant gives people a chance to question lifestyle choices.
Watching your parent’s generation abuse alcohol and looking at your own wallet being lighter than their’s ever was isn’t going to inspire you to copy them.
Social media has to play a role here.
We all know alcohol makes you do embarrassing things.
But when I was in my 20s, the only people that knew about those silly things I did were the people that happened to be with me at the time.
These days someone will record it and upload it to some social media platform and it’ll be available for everyone to see, forever.
That’s something I wouldn’t bother to risk.
What a fucking stupid article. A large amount of gen z are still teenagers so can’t go to the three pubs left from years of losing money and the rest of us generally don’t get time off of working to go for a pint.
I remember seeing the same articles blaming millennials for less people drinking booze no more than 5 years ago
Hopefully, this is the beginning of the end of the UK’s booze culture and the chokehold that alcohol has on this country.
There are so many better drugs to choose from, why would anyone choose one that just makes you feel bad?
When I was 18 – in the late 00s. I could take £20 out and have a great night – even food afterwards (mid week, student nights in particular).
I highly doubt this is possible now. In fact some student nights are now ticketed events. So you can kiss £10 of that away already.
Still. Good that youths are learning there is more to life than getting plastered every week.
Maybe they’re smarter than everyone gives them credit for?—-or by nature of being a bit more introspective have just decided not to do it
I only really drank on ‘nights out’ not at meals or at home because ‘one or two’ with a meal with friends didn’t really add to the event positively
I’ve always been a temperate drinker- my partner of 10 years has never seen me more than ‘tipsy’
I haven’t drank since 2019 now- I didn’t over Christmas that year because I was driving between houses (and don’t drink at home)—then lockdown happened and so I didn’t drink…then it became a bit of a challenge ‘I wonder how long I can go without drinking’
I’m getting married this week and it’s very much a decision now- am I Teetotal or do I just ‘not really drink’ and will have a drink at occasions.
We’ve also got a small child now and oddly I’m thinking soon I might start drinking a bit more—-so she sees responsible drinking and it isn’t ‘mysticised’ leading her to think it’s cool when she’s older
Price, hangovers aren’t worth it.
“Now I read that no alcohol is consumed during 29% of pub visits
Did this line surprise any one else? The writer seems to be suggesting that it is shocking that only 63% of restraunt visits involved drinking alcohol as if that is a surprisingly low amount but I actually find that a lot more than I expected. I was under the impression that not drinking alcohol at a restraunt was the default and people only did so ocassionally.
Well I’m Gen Z and I drink in moderation. I can’t say the same for other people because I have no Gen Z friends
Weed is cheaper and more enjoyable, there, answered
Cos it’s really expensive and who wants to be hungover when you work 3 jobs so you can afford your tiny box room in a noisy shared house? I’m just guessing.
Im not gen z, Ima millennial, but I just stopped enjoying the causal drinking. Having a few down the local pub just isnt enjoyable, half my age group who go out on the same night either get absolutely wasted and want to start a fight, or they do drugs for most of the night and suddenly ‘Im a pussy’ for not wanting to join in.
It’s because we don’t want to work for pennies then piss away our pennies drowning our sorrows, we were raised online we know there is so much more out there & so much potential to make something happen for ourselves.
It’s just been a bit shit since the pandemic really.
Massive influx of 18/19/20 year olds all learning their limits at once due to clubs/pubs having been closed when they turned 18 and a large amount of security who clearly missed the power trip going above and beyond to show how macho they are.
Because it’s expensive as fuck and we’re much more aware of the damages it causes
Because it’s getting on for five quid a sodding pint
Where’s this? Pardon the stereotype but I live in Newcastle and haven’t witnessed this at all.
18 Yo here, my theories for why this is are as follows.
Price: going out drinking unless it’s a spoons is expensive as fck
Health factor. Lots of people my age going to the gym etc and not smoking or drinking.
Drugs. This applies to me And my friendship group, we’d all started smoking weed before ever really drinking and simply preferred it and see no reason to drink.
Other hobbies available thanks to the Internet such as gaming. Know many people who just stay in every night and spend it gaming w friends instead.
Mix of a few things.
1) Cost. Beer is not the frivolous thing it was in my day (I’m 33). Can’t get drunk, home and a burger for £35. There are no £1 alcopops in uni clubs if you buy 10 at once. They earn less relative to living costs. It’s just expensive as fuck to exist. Particularly so if you’re young.
2) Where are you gonna go to get drunk? Again, in my day you could stay cheap – local WMC/Royal Legion etc and get most of the way there in a place you could chat. Then you go to maybe a single good bar for one then to the club. Where I grew up, there were 3 night clubs (2 of which where big, open till 4am. There was a rock pub, indie club, metal pub and a place that did drum and bass till the early hours. There was also a late night gaff that was somehow open till 5:59. You had choice, they had to compete on price, you could enjoy.
Now, you have spoons, shit holes, other crap chains, most of the club’s have been closed due to rent prices or that old chestnut of a person buying a house near a club or live music venue, repeatedly complaining about noise then it being closed.
If you’ve no real choice in end spot, why bother? Better to hang with mates on the cheap and then do festivals and gigs when they come up.
3) These youths don’t like dumb fucks – Seriously, I have a few grads/apprentices around work and their (I am being positive about this) refusal to tolerate cunts is excellent. Younger women now are absolutely not about to be lurched and letched at by groups of old pervs. They don’t want to accept free drinks to be seen to be “nice” from wrong ‘uns with bad intentions. Likewise the younger lads have a (again, wholly justified) fear of groups of drunken men. My best mate is 6ft 6, aged 16, trying to sneak in for a beer or two he would regularly get set on because he was seen as a good challenge.
Basically, the nonsense of being around a bunch of shits you don’t like because that’s what you’re supposed to do is not their vibe, and I support them in it.
4) They’re way more diverse – I grew up in a post industrial town in the NW, I had many a Muslim mate and neighbour. They aren’t angels in terms of not letting loose, but almost universally they would not fuck with booze and that won’t have changed. My little brother is 17, he has a lot of mates who are first generation from Nigeria from school, same deal – not fucking with booze whilst living at home.
Some smoke weed, they’ll take some drugs at the weekend, but they’re not getting drunk. But a lot of them are just happier hanging out, playing football or something then going home and playing online together. They don’t need a pub to be social
5) Drugs – cheaper than booze, at my going out peak, booze was cheap and drugs were more stigmatised, I was too late for the rave scene. As I’ve gotten older, I would much rather take a little MDMA, a glass of red and moderate water through the night. It feels better, at no point do I think “fighting is a good idea!”.
Also, drugs seem inflation proof which is oddly sweet in this day and age [note: I’m aware the drugs trade is awful. I’m not making it out to be anything other than that]
6) Need to be sober – In short, if you’re at uni, you absolutely need a 2:1, you have less money than ever and it goes less far on a night out. Same if you’re in work. Lower wage to living costs, gotta save to buy anything, gotta live far more smartly even if you’re not buying. Can’t be fucking drunk 3 times a week.
7) Social Media – like fuck did I ever pose for pictures. Fortunately it was the tail end of just cameras when I was out all the time at uni. No way would I feel happy having the world see that I basically had 4 going out outfits for 3 year. That ‘gram life needs a big budget to fake and a lot of them CBA going through the pain in the as system.
So yeah, we’ve priced out half of the night life industry, housing markets and wage stagflation. Can’t blame them, we just happened to be the tail end of when going out was doable.
Why aren’t gen Z drinking?
Why aren’t people in their 20s and 30s having kids?
Why aren’t the you th buying houses?
Why does this generation not want to get married?
MONEY! You don’t pay us enough and everything coat insane amounts so we don’t have any fucking money!!
Drinking on a night out every week is a viscous cycle of doom and despair, its miserable
I don’t blame them, society has been gutted and geared around boozing for centuries, and it has caused health problems, soial problems abound, couple tis with dwindling community centres, social outlets and groups, and we have just had a recipie for a terrible problem. Time we moved towards greater constructive outlets and learned some modration.
Shits fucking terrible. Am I really gonna go out, spend 40 quid on drink that tastes like shit, only to look like an embarrassment for a couple of hours then go home and be sick? No thanks.
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Price I’d presume plays a part. Going for a night out even if you’ve been pre drinking is fucking extortionate.
Same reason they arent having kids, buying homes and appear to be ‘killing off’ most traditional sectors? They’ve had every last bit of value extracted from their labour to maximise profits and simply can’t afford it or are at least having to prioritise other aspects of their life just to cope
Weird, my pub business is booming.
According to my niece and nephew (21 and 19) the two big factors are price and security. Security is more of an issue for him than her – he is well aware that if he takes a kicking while drunk he’s likely to be treated as a suspect rather than a victim, regardless of the circumstance.
Generation No Disposable Income to Blame For The Demise of Another Industry Shocker
In addition to safety, I bet image plays a part. If the likes of Instagram had been around in the 90s, we also may have thought twice about falling over, puking and worse.
I would have thought this is down to cost. It’s expensive. I’m not gen z, but I’ve never drank and I’ve always thought it was expensive! Even more so now as we’ve got less and less disposable income.
Probably because buying a single round for your mates costs an entire days wages…
Because theres more options for socialising now too. You still have a few drinks but its not “as” common to go out specifically to get plastered.
There are likely a lot of factors going on here. Speaking as a sixth form teacher I can say this:
Young people generally are much less social than when I was at school; to be more precise, they spend a greater portion of their time socialising online rather than in person so the opportunities for social drinking have diminished.
Obviously cost is the major factor due to the recent rising cost of living. However, youth drinking has been declining for a while now. The recent economic impact is not the sole factor.
Finally, a larger proportion of young people come from different cultural backgrounds which often have stronger taboos and prohibitions on alcohol.
To be clear, where I teach very few students are drinking alcohol or living lives of sex, drugs and decadence, because most of my students in Huddersfield here are Muslims! Fantastic, if you ask me.
I’m honestly happy for them, my neice is 17 now and has the occasional glass of wine but has 0 interest in getting smashed. She’s seen some of her friends get into absolute states and had to look after them too which I think definitely put her off. When I was her age all I wanted to do at the weekend, was get stoned and drunk with my mates, try our luck getting into the local pubs and inevitably end up in a park or on someone’s estate till silly hours of the morning.
I’m Gen z, and it’s making me cringe all the people blaming the cost. I don’t think that’s it. I don’t drink and neither do any of my mates, we still spend that money on weed or psychedelics, just not alcohol. Personally I just don’t enjoy being drunk and I’m really not a fan of pub culture. I think the internet might have another role to play as well, we do a lot more socialising online playing games and stuff, which drinking just doesn’t mesh with as opposed to getting high. I know way more people who smoke weed than drink, but maybe that’s just my social circles.
I like to have a few really cold beers outside, when the weather nice with a few friends and a couple of dogs. It’s lovely. But aside from the local spoons, which doesn’t have a beer garden, a pint is £4-£4.50, for anything, Carling, Stella etc basic stuff.
You can get an 18 pack of fans for the price of less than 3 pints and we all have gardens, so why bother?
And now that’s really been pared down to once every so often as can’t even justify spending that every other weekend.
Obviously it’s because they hate the alcoholic beverage sector and they want to kill it off and end all associated employment/economic activity.
Turns out every company being greedy and constantly hiking prices and keeping wages stagnant gives people a chance to question lifestyle choices.
Watching your parent’s generation abuse alcohol and looking at your own wallet being lighter than their’s ever was isn’t going to inspire you to copy them.
Social media has to play a role here.
We all know alcohol makes you do embarrassing things.
But when I was in my 20s, the only people that knew about those silly things I did were the people that happened to be with me at the time.
These days someone will record it and upload it to some social media platform and it’ll be available for everyone to see, forever.
That’s something I wouldn’t bother to risk.
What a fucking stupid article. A large amount of gen z are still teenagers so can’t go to the three pubs left from years of losing money and the rest of us generally don’t get time off of working to go for a pint.
I remember seeing the same articles blaming millennials for less people drinking booze no more than 5 years ago
Hopefully, this is the beginning of the end of the UK’s booze culture and the chokehold that alcohol has on this country.
There are so many better drugs to choose from, why would anyone choose one that just makes you feel bad?
When I was 18 – in the late 00s. I could take £20 out and have a great night – even food afterwards (mid week, student nights in particular).
I highly doubt this is possible now. In fact some student nights are now ticketed events. So you can kiss £10 of that away already.
Still. Good that youths are learning there is more to life than getting plastered every week.
Maybe they’re smarter than everyone gives them credit for?—-or by nature of being a bit more introspective have just decided not to do it
I only really drank on ‘nights out’ not at meals or at home because ‘one or two’ with a meal with friends didn’t really add to the event positively
I’ve always been a temperate drinker- my partner of 10 years has never seen me more than ‘tipsy’
I haven’t drank since 2019 now- I didn’t over Christmas that year because I was driving between houses (and don’t drink at home)—then lockdown happened and so I didn’t drink…then it became a bit of a challenge ‘I wonder how long I can go without drinking’
I’m getting married this week and it’s very much a decision now- am I Teetotal or do I just ‘not really drink’ and will have a drink at occasions.
We’ve also got a small child now and oddly I’m thinking soon I might start drinking a bit more—-so she sees responsible drinking and it isn’t ‘mysticised’ leading her to think it’s cool when she’s older
Price, hangovers aren’t worth it.
“Now I read that no alcohol is consumed during 29% of pub visits
Did this line surprise any one else? The writer seems to be suggesting that it is shocking that only 63% of restraunt visits involved drinking alcohol as if that is a surprisingly low amount but I actually find that a lot more than I expected. I was under the impression that not drinking alcohol at a restraunt was the default and people only did so ocassionally.
Well I’m Gen Z and I drink in moderation. I can’t say the same for other people because I have no Gen Z friends
Weed is cheaper and more enjoyable, there, answered
Cos it’s really expensive and who wants to be hungover when you work 3 jobs so you can afford your tiny box room in a noisy shared house? I’m just guessing.
Im not gen z, Ima millennial, but I just stopped enjoying the causal drinking. Having a few down the local pub just isnt enjoyable, half my age group who go out on the same night either get absolutely wasted and want to start a fight, or they do drugs for most of the night and suddenly ‘Im a pussy’ for not wanting to join in.
It’s because we don’t want to work for pennies then piss away our pennies drowning our sorrows, we were raised online we know there is so much more out there & so much potential to make something happen for ourselves.
It’s just been a bit shit since the pandemic really.
Massive influx of 18/19/20 year olds all learning their limits at once due to clubs/pubs having been closed when they turned 18 and a large amount of security who clearly missed the power trip going above and beyond to show how macho they are.
Because it’s expensive as fuck and we’re much more aware of the damages it causes
Because it’s getting on for five quid a sodding pint
Where’s this? Pardon the stereotype but I live in Newcastle and haven’t witnessed this at all.
18 Yo here, my theories for why this is are as follows.
Price: going out drinking unless it’s a spoons is expensive as fck
Health factor. Lots of people my age going to the gym etc and not smoking or drinking.
Drugs. This applies to me And my friendship group, we’d all started smoking weed before ever really drinking and simply preferred it and see no reason to drink.
Other hobbies available thanks to the Internet such as gaming. Know many people who just stay in every night and spend it gaming w friends instead.
Mix of a few things.
1) Cost. Beer is not the frivolous thing it was in my day (I’m 33). Can’t get drunk, home and a burger for £35. There are no £1 alcopops in uni clubs if you buy 10 at once. They earn less relative to living costs. It’s just expensive as fuck to exist. Particularly so if you’re young.
2) Where are you gonna go to get drunk? Again, in my day you could stay cheap – local WMC/Royal Legion etc and get most of the way there in a place you could chat. Then you go to maybe a single good bar for one then to the club. Where I grew up, there were 3 night clubs (2 of which where big, open till 4am. There was a rock pub, indie club, metal pub and a place that did drum and bass till the early hours. There was also a late night gaff that was somehow open till 5:59. You had choice, they had to compete on price, you could enjoy.
Now, you have spoons, shit holes, other crap chains, most of the club’s have been closed due to rent prices or that old chestnut of a person buying a house near a club or live music venue, repeatedly complaining about noise then it being closed.
If you’ve no real choice in end spot, why bother? Better to hang with mates on the cheap and then do festivals and gigs when they come up.
3) These youths don’t like dumb fucks – Seriously, I have a few grads/apprentices around work and their (I am being positive about this) refusal to tolerate cunts is excellent. Younger women now are absolutely not about to be lurched and letched at by groups of old pervs. They don’t want to accept free drinks to be seen to be “nice” from wrong ‘uns with bad intentions. Likewise the younger lads have a (again, wholly justified) fear of groups of drunken men. My best mate is 6ft 6, aged 16, trying to sneak in for a beer or two he would regularly get set on because he was seen as a good challenge.
Basically, the nonsense of being around a bunch of shits you don’t like because that’s what you’re supposed to do is not their vibe, and I support them in it.
4) They’re way more diverse – I grew up in a post industrial town in the NW, I had many a Muslim mate and neighbour. They aren’t angels in terms of not letting loose, but almost universally they would not fuck with booze and that won’t have changed. My little brother is 17, he has a lot of mates who are first generation from Nigeria from school, same deal – not fucking with booze whilst living at home.
Some smoke weed, they’ll take some drugs at the weekend, but they’re not getting drunk. But a lot of them are just happier hanging out, playing football or something then going home and playing online together. They don’t need a pub to be social
5) Drugs – cheaper than booze, at my going out peak, booze was cheap and drugs were more stigmatised, I was too late for the rave scene. As I’ve gotten older, I would much rather take a little MDMA, a glass of red and moderate water through the night. It feels better, at no point do I think “fighting is a good idea!”.
Also, drugs seem inflation proof which is oddly sweet in this day and age [note: I’m aware the drugs trade is awful. I’m not making it out to be anything other than that]
6) Need to be sober – In short, if you’re at uni, you absolutely need a 2:1, you have less money than ever and it goes less far on a night out. Same if you’re in work. Lower wage to living costs, gotta save to buy anything, gotta live far more smartly even if you’re not buying. Can’t be fucking drunk 3 times a week.
7) Social Media – like fuck did I ever pose for pictures. Fortunately it was the tail end of just cameras when I was out all the time at uni. No way would I feel happy having the world see that I basically had 4 going out outfits for 3 year. That ‘gram life needs a big budget to fake and a lot of them CBA going through the pain in the as system.
So yeah, we’ve priced out half of the night life industry, housing markets and wage stagflation. Can’t blame them, we just happened to be the tail end of when going out was doable.
Why aren’t gen Z drinking?
Why aren’t people in their 20s and 30s having kids?
Why aren’t the you th buying houses?
Why does this generation not want to get married?
MONEY! You don’t pay us enough and everything coat insane amounts so we don’t have any fucking money!!
Drinking on a night out every week is a viscous cycle of doom and despair, its miserable
I don’t blame them, society has been gutted and geared around boozing for centuries, and it has caused health problems, soial problems abound, couple tis with dwindling community centres, social outlets and groups, and we have just had a recipie for a terrible problem. Time we moved towards greater constructive outlets and learned some modration.
Shits fucking terrible. Am I really gonna go out, spend 40 quid on drink that tastes like shit, only to look like an embarrassment for a couple of hours then go home and be sick? No thanks.