Conservative Twitter in an uproar over this. I don’t see the problem? It’s not like 13-year-olds will be shown hardcore porn in class.
Conservative Twitter in an uproar over this. I don’t see the problem? It’s not like 13-year-olds will be shown hardcore porn in class.
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>I don’t see the problem?
Neither should you, but then again that side of Twitter which calls itself “conservative” isn’t exactly known for being rational.
Good thing missed out on these subjects. I get all my trustworthy information from porn sites…
I go to xHamster for the local stories, Pornhub for the global stuff and eFukt for sports and the rest.
This is all stuff we went on a big day trip out to learn about towards the end of P7 in the North and again around the start of First Year – sexual orientation and gender identity obviously weren’t a topic of discussion back then, all they cover about pornography is that it exists but isn’t representative of reality and you should steer clear of it, ‘trustworthy information’ is presumably concerning legitimate websites, news outlets and how to fact-check sources rather than absorbing your current events and local affairs knowledge in the form of your tinfoil hat-wearing uncle’s mad meme posting habits
Like, teenagers are going to find porn. They just will, it is an inevitability. At least give them info on it.
This is probably about discussing porn and its affects rather than it being actual porn vids getting played in class.
it makes sense , since kids are going to find it out there anyway .
Its not like its the history of porn or anything *( from crude drawings , to woodcuttings , to the days of people smuggling dog eared copies of Razzle back from Britain , also the mysterious perverts who would leave copies of porn mags in bushes and woodlands .. )*
Actually its pretty important to teach kids that most porn doesn’t reflect real sex at all , its basically like learning to drive by watching the fast and the furious movies*.
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(* I mean maybe the people who film themselves at it and post it online , but that’s more like learning to drive by watching Russian Dashcam footage , lots of foreign people shouting , banging and people faking things for the camera.)
1 in every 5 sex crimes in Ireland is committed by a minor against another minor. ([source](https://www.newstalk.com/news/one-in-five-violent-sex-crimes-carried-out-by-children-against-children-1186003))
We need to teach our children that pornography is acting, it isn’t a reflection of real-life sex and relationships, that pornography often ignores consent and portrays sex as violent, that the people in it often don’t enjoy it, that it’s often had negative consequences on people’s lives, that it fetishists certain groups and portrays other groups negatively.
People can be radicalised by porn the way they can be by other things online. The regular stuff gets boring so the addict seeks out more and more violent and extreme things. This has real consequences. There are plenty of women talking about their experiences of suddenly being choked during sex without warning because their partner thought they’d like it because porn told them so. Strangulation is probably the biggest red flag that an abuser will go on to kill btw. “the mere presence of strangulation in a situation of domestic abuse increases the chances of homicide sevenfold” [source](https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/which-domestic-abusers-will-go-on-to-commit-murder-this-one-act-offers-a-clue/2017/11/16/80881ebc-c978-11e7-aa96-54417592cf72_story.html)
I think the healthiest thing to do is ignore sex and hope it goes away.
Back when I was in school. Maybe 11 or 12. In biology class They showed us all a video of some gal shittin out a baby in the bath. Did me no harm.
These are exactly the same people who were against the HPV vaccine for girls because they might go out and have sex if they weren’t properly terrified.
I like the idea. Teach them not to expect porn to be what the real thing is like. Help contextualise it.
I seen a guy get his head removed with a butcher knife on a crappy Sagem phone in 2004, video was 40×40 pixels at most.
I doubt the teacher will be pulling up 4k graphic images, but probably speaking about how porn is not real life and that streamers don’t love you and that when the bar maid winks you buy more drinks but not because she wants to run off with you.
Common sense stuff which in fairness is lacking in schools.
Conservatives believe – against all evidence – that problems go away if you ignore them.
Whatever your belief about pornography, whatever your worry is, education is the answer to it.
They should add I.T. security and privacy to that too. Warn kids about selfies, data harvesting, scams, virii/worms, grooming, etc. Call it Staying Safe Online.
The conservatives won’t be happy until we all ignore reality and they have us living in a church dominated society circa 1950s, that’s their golden age dream, you know when we had things like the Magdalene laundries, Mother and baby homes (where dead babies and infants were disposes of in septic tanks) forced adoption of babies born outside of wedlock, you know the good old days 🙂 but actually teaching kids about things that actually pertain to their lives…. Madness
2 steps to a bettrr life:
1. Come off twitter
2.
Pornography is often taught as part of Senior Cycle SPHE (the Senior curriculum is somewhat at the discretion of the teacher, but it’s a suggested topic).
So this plan is just bringing the topic from say 5th Year to 3rd Year, which makes sense, given that it’s too late to educate about porn at 16! Honestly it should probably be introduced at primarily level but anyway.
In case any parents out there are concerned, [here](https://www.drcc.ie/assets/files/pdf/drcc_resource_pornography_what_do_i_need_to_know.pdf) is an example of the kind of resources we use with Senior Cycle, so I’m sure it’s be similar for Junior Cycle.
What’s so disgusting about hearing your elderly father talk about seeeex.
I had seeeexxxxx
I (female) went to an all girl’s Catholic school and porn was never mentioned once. Fair enough this was 2000-2006 and in a Catholic school where Nuns were still actively teaching, so I guess I shouldn’t be surprised. 🙃
I would like to think these kinds of courses / discussions are heavily encouraged in mixed schools as I think having both boys and girls learning about this and talking about it openly could make it much more educational. When my Son becomes a teenager, and without wanting him to feel too awkward about it, I would like to talk to him about the importance of consent.
Endless free hardcore porn is a fucking scourge of the young.
It is, in my mind, among the most damaging and insidious things you can expose a teenager to who’s just learning about their own sexuality.
We, as a society really fucking need to talk about that and if it means we have to start with kids, so be it.
Idk why this is in my recommended, I’m not Irish, but if my schools had better education about gender identity it would have made My childhood significantly less traumatic for me, by hiding these things from ppl your not stopping them from funding out about sex/sexuality/gender identity, your putting them in a position where they won’t know how to deal with it when they find out on their own terms
It’s important that kids know about porn, since they are far more likely to encounter it these days than in the past, when it was banned. Our sex education was limited to pure biological information, which was not enough.
Additionally, what people may or not be staying on Twitter is irrelevant, since twitter is just a bunch of idiots talking shit. You may as well let us know what people are saying in YouTube comments.
Richie Sadlier I believe released a book this year about it called Lets Talk.
Read an article about it where he does look to tackle the problem with porn where its warping teenagers reality of what actual sex and love is and not what’s being protrayed on screen which as i’ve seen loads of people state already is just acting and the participants may not always be enjoying.
I haven’t seen anyone mention it in this comment section but I think this is a really good idea if it’s approached from a mental health angle too, not just educating teens that it’s scripted and fake.
Porn can be extremely addictive. There’s the likes of Ted Bundy who talked about how porn influenced his motives, but everyone looks at the 0.01% of men who carry out acts like that.
Nobody talks about the 99.99% of men who watch porn who wouldn’t hurt a fly, but suffer from mental health issues influenced by porn. I’m talking erectile dysfunction, relationship issues, lack of sleep from watching it late into the night, and the dopamine drain that porn is on the mind. Every organisms most fundamental instinct is to reproduce. Porn can tap into that instinct and get men hooked on it as the brain can’t tell the difference. It’s a taboo subject but a very real crisis
I’m a teacher and it means they will learn that porn isn’t realistic and it’s not what sex is like. It’s not graphic but a frank discussion about it. They all have phones at that age if you think some haven’t already been looking at porn etc your are naive.
Fuck the conservatives. It’s they who turned a blind eye to decades of child abuse, perpetrated by the Catholic Church, for fear of bringing shame to the community. Prudish arseholes.
What’s the problem. No porn will be shown. It’s mainly about consent and understand sex, sexuality, the real world which is BADLY needed in Ireland and the world over.
This is a good thing, and a big step forward in Irish education.
Couldn’t tell you how many classmates it have who have been utterly ruined by some of the most degenerate porn available. I think it’s necessary to set a precedent of healthy viewing and explain that what we see on the screen is very different to real life
Coming from a school that only taught “sex is bad you’ll get pregnant and die” and “abstinence is the only way to stay pure and nobody will want you if you’re all ‘used up’” this is a much better approach. I just hope it’s done right and not taught by a priest like it was for us. In fairness he did talk about pornography in our Relationships and Sexual Education class but it was only about it being a sin and “so easy to accidentally click on”.. the man gave us all really weird vibes as well as being a judgmental, self-righteous insufferable winge-bag. Also this wasn’t even a convent or religious school just a public community college with a chaplain!!
Edit: fixing autocorrect
The way people to react to this you’d assume the junior cycle was zero math, language and science but just pure unadulterated filth for three years.
I was taught sex education by a member of the Iona institute in school. My parents also had aome serious hang ups about it and taught me nothing but shame. It seriously screwed with my head because for years I had no understanding of contraception and anything around sex was seen as shameful. I had serious body image issues and had very low boundaries which other people took advantage of.
You NEED to teach kids these things. There is an ongoing cycle taught to us from church to parent to child in Ireland and I’ve met so many young people who are still working their way through this stuff. Harp on about it all you want but young people are going to have sex. Might as well equip them with the necessary information to make good choices.
If Conservatives could attack their own Sex pests and sex offenders with the same vitriol they reserve towards education and abortion access, the world would be a better place.
As a mother of two now adults and as a childcare worker for 14/15 years I think this is a fantastic idea. Age appropriate education is always a good thing. Children can learn about so much, so early as long as it’s approached correctly and this is the only worry I have about this new curricular education. If taught through a Catholic ethos it may not be as open, full disclosure or as clear as it should be. They tend to have a way of skirting around the facts and can have a closed approach to these matters. Hopefully my worries will be put to rest and it will be fully informative and a benefit to many. If people have a problem and many seem to sadly, then it shows their own ignorance.
Omg this reminds me of this wans mother in my year in school who told my mam at the hairdresser that she would never let her child near contraception because it would only give her ideas.
This was in like leaving cert and yer wan was bucking people since 4th yr. These people don’t realise that their dear aul darlings will learn from somewhere so you might as well get information from a reliable source
People are overthinking all this.
Most of my let’s say uncomfortable interactions with men (verging on sexual assault- unwanted arse/boob grabbing etc) happened when we were teenagers. Since I got into my twenties I feel like men know that women don’t like that stuff so they’re generally more respectful.
I’m all for teenagers learning that porn is BS.
When we were in 2-3rd year, about 15 years ago, the amount of fucking CRAZY porn that was sent around was unreal. I’m talking everything, fuckin animals and everything.
That shit should not be spread around by 13-14 year olds wildly , fucking hell.
This can only be a good thing.
Oh no. Education.
If you give your kid a smartphone they’re watching porn. Getting in a twist about this is so stupid