There’s a spectrum of exposure to Russian gas across the EU, with some countries (Portugal, Spain, Ireland, Norway, etc.) being almost entirely unaffected, all the way up to Germany and Hungary with significantly more exposure.
Trying to apply the same rules to all of them will just cause unnecessary pain and annoyance to no benefit.
Some forget that gas comsumption is already reduced to a bare minimum in southern Europe. When the 2008 crisis hit there wasn’t a whole lot of solidarity with the southern countries, dutch and germans said the southern countries should be more ready for financial adversity and as a result the South felt the harsher consequences of the crisis. Now it’s our turn: you shouldn’t have become so dependent on Russian gas, we paid the price of energy independence before hand, why should we pay it again?
Germany is the country that told everyone relying on Russian gas was good and that everyone was dumb for moving away from it.
Germany should be the one who has to shoulder the biggest burden.
We should all shoot ourselves in the feet and squash our economy to show solidarity with Germany’s lack of farsighting
>The future targets must notably take into account the export capacities of each country, the officials added,
Other officials have mentioned that “the levels of gas storage in each country” should be a guiding factor.
*As in: little chance of getting help if you didn’t prepare yourself in the first place.*
Germany should not try to live beyond their means energy-wise and then beg for energy bailouts. Some austerity seems to be in order.
This is dumb, we are less affected by Russian Gas, decreasing our consumption would mean being able to export to Germany and other countries that are dependent.
Germany or Italy facing an economic crisis is not in our best interests.
That said, a uniform target of 15% is perhaps not the best implementation, but do we have the time to find the perfect solution ? Winter is coming fast.
Gas reduction should happen wherever it can happen with the least harm.
It’s very much geographically and historically determined, the closer to Russia, the more dependent on it. It’s not uniquely a matter of choice as some imply.
Do keep in mind that for example France has been dependent on Germany for a few years as well to deal with its electricity production problems as well. Solidarity in energy matters is a good thing that benefits everyone, there is no need to try turn energy supply it into a matter of morality that needs punishments and rewards.
isnt that nice from all our neighbours, eh? they are taking our money, they shit on us for getting russian gas, but they buy the same russian gas back from us and they are are fine when we give our energy to them because your fucking nuclear plants are shit (hello france), but now helping our industry? (that is important for the whole EU too) nahhhhhh fam.
I hope we remember that in the future.
Probably won’t happen then. We know the southern countries are already opposed and if France joins in it probs won’t happen
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Makes sense.
There’s a spectrum of exposure to Russian gas across the EU, with some countries (Portugal, Spain, Ireland, Norway, etc.) being almost entirely unaffected, all the way up to Germany and Hungary with significantly more exposure.
Trying to apply the same rules to all of them will just cause unnecessary pain and annoyance to no benefit.
Some forget that gas comsumption is already reduced to a bare minimum in southern Europe. When the 2008 crisis hit there wasn’t a whole lot of solidarity with the southern countries, dutch and germans said the southern countries should be more ready for financial adversity and as a result the South felt the harsher consequences of the crisis. Now it’s our turn: you shouldn’t have become so dependent on Russian gas, we paid the price of energy independence before hand, why should we pay it again?
Germany is the country that told everyone relying on Russian gas was good and that everyone was dumb for moving away from it.
Germany should be the one who has to shoulder the biggest burden.
We should all shoot ourselves in the feet and squash our economy to show solidarity with Germany’s lack of farsighting
>The future targets must notably take into account the export capacities of each country, the officials added,
Other officials have mentioned that “the levels of gas storage in each country” should be a guiding factor.
*As in: little chance of getting help if you didn’t prepare yourself in the first place.*
Germany should not try to live beyond their means energy-wise and then beg for energy bailouts. Some austerity seems to be in order.
This is dumb, we are less affected by Russian Gas, decreasing our consumption would mean being able to export to Germany and other countries that are dependent.
Germany or Italy facing an economic crisis is not in our best interests.
That said, a uniform target of 15% is perhaps not the best implementation, but do we have the time to find the perfect solution ? Winter is coming fast.
Gas reduction should happen wherever it can happen with the least harm.
It’s very much geographically and historically determined, the closer to Russia, the more dependent on it. It’s not uniquely a matter of choice as some imply.
Do keep in mind that for example France has been dependent on Germany for a few years as well to deal with its electricity production problems as well. Solidarity in energy matters is a good thing that benefits everyone, there is no need to try turn energy supply it into a matter of morality that needs punishments and rewards.
isnt that nice from all our neighbours, eh? they are taking our money, they shit on us for getting russian gas, but they buy the same russian gas back from us and they are are fine when we give our energy to them because your fucking nuclear plants are shit (hello france), but now helping our industry? (that is important for the whole EU too) nahhhhhh fam.
I hope we remember that in the future.
Probably won’t happen then. We know the southern countries are already opposed and if France joins in it probs won’t happen