For many of those who vote blue at every election, a vote for the Conservatives is a vote for low taxation, wealth creation and restrained public spending.
The Tories have long been the party trusted to balance the books and to restore and protect household wealth for those willing to work hard for it.
Yet now Tory Britain is facing an existential crisis, for we have ended up with a tax-guzzling government hell-bent on squeezing the life out of second-homeownership.
But for the nation’s younger voters, the future is very bleak. Graduates are leaving university with unfathomable amounts of student debt, stagnant wages and surging inflation. Many have been condemned to begin their working lives behind a desk at home, deprived of any professional inspiration or career traction.
Most dispiriting of all are ever-rising house prices, which mean many young adults now have no real prospect of ever buying their own home. Figures this week revealed that property prices are now close to 22pc higher than in March 2020.
As the average house now costs nine times the average salary, the only hope for many Millennials is the Bank of Mum and Dad or an inheritance windfall. And here therein lies the Tory party’s problem.
A generation of potential voters are stuck in a relentless rent cycle, unable to take the first step on the property ladder, but also the first step towards a vote for the Conservatives – who are now badly flagging in the polls.
Even now, in the thick of a leadership contest, we are being fed soundbite politics instead of sound economic proposals that could go someway to fix the property problem.
Leadership contenders know that the party needs to get young people on the housing ladder, but are yet to find the imagination or ingenuity to rise to the challenge. So far, the only stance taken has been pledges to cut housing targets.
In the face of Labour’s reckless public overspending, the Tories were the party elected to balance the books. In the wake of Brexit, it was the party we elected to restore national and economic pride.
Yet Britain has ended up with the largest tax burden in modern history and a generation of young adults who are up to their eyeballs in debt and see the wealth enjoyed by their parents and grandparents as simply unattainable.
How willing will these young voters be to forgive the Tories? The economic squeeze is not only a disaster for the young, but it’s ugly for the future of the Conservative Party.
The only good news is that, with a change of leadership, the Conservatives now have a chance to wipe the slate clean and rebuild Tory Britain before the next election.
A place on the property ladder and a war chest of wealth are two good reasons to vote Tory, but the party is fast running out of supporters.
The Telegraph – “Are we the baddies?”
The final line of the article, which seems to be a conclusion, is at best confusing and at worst confused.
It’s not who the ‘young’ (under 45) will vote for, it’s whether they will vote at all.
18 to 44 year olds averaged under 60% turnout in 2019
According to the tories, people under 50 are avacodo work shy, streaming pieces of shit who whine about everything and are entitled bastards because we are expected to put up with constantly being fucked over.
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I have no hope of ever learning how to drive, getting a house or flat of my own. If the tories could get away with it, they would make people my age(i’m almost 30) pay a lot more tax whilst the rich pay less. The tories can fuck themselves. Looong and hard. If I’m unfortunate enough to require an ambulance, I can see myself dying because the NHS is being fucked over so the tories can sell it to their mates.
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Oh and retirement? HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA! I’ll be working until i’m 90.
Of the people I know of my generation those that do own a home did so with massive amounts of help from their parents or by inheritance. The rest of us are going to be renting forever and won’t have any option to retire. So I sympathise entirely with millennials and GenZ who have it even worse. I just wish more of them would vote even though it feels pointless.
I may be a little old (43) for this, but I can well understand the logic of the younger voter.
I have been made redundant three times.
Typical graduate salaries have remained static for Twenty. Fucking. Years.
My own father was doing a job not too dissimilar to my own. And while I was fortunate enough to be sent to private schools, I don’t have the money to do the same for any kids I might have. Why not? Because school fees have kept up with inflation much more than salaries have.
I’ll be the first to admit I’m earning a good salary, and I’m nowhere near as badly off as an awful lot of people. But how the hell come I’m in a similar position (job-title wise) to Mum and Dad, but in a house half the size of the houses I grew up in?
I realise that won’t get me any sympathy from a huge number of renters who think “my heart fucking bleeds” – but I assure anyone reading this, I’m a hell of a lot closer to you than I am ever going to be to the likes of Jeff Fucking Bezos.
The issue for Labour (and, indeed, other parties) being that the actual “young” (18-25) for the most part don’t vote at all.
Anyone under 50 that votes tory is just so out of touch, just can’t talk to them they’re delusional
Hopefully all of this makes a move to break down the tories and maybe have a chance under other governments (although there is no one currently that I’d vote for as a party I support, which is depressing)
Let’s just hope the whole system breaks down and we get actual reform
I’m 44 and worked all my life and I still have no chance of owning a home so the young have no chance
I accepted never owning a home last April and just last month accepted that I’m not going to be able to retire also. I’m no longer paying into a pension and just investing that money into myself
As a young person I have no reason to vote Tory or anyone. None of them represent myself, my beliefs or family and friends. They are all crooks in it for money and power.
Nobody else surprised that the Telegraph turned so scathingly on the Tories here?
If it hadn’t been for the inevitable “Labour reckless spending” line I’d have forgotten which paper it was.
Wow, the Telegraph really make no effort to hide their allegiance. They really are the Torygraph eh!
Never mind the young; I’m 43 in just over a month and I wouldn’t vote Tory if you held me down and stuck a shotgun in my mouth.
Absolutely disgusting how the general public have been treated. So many people out there struggling whilst these smug ass holes are bleeding people dry. People not being afford to live will come at a price and the greed of the corporations and the powers that be deserve to be on the receiving end
How does anyone have a reason to vote for them at this point, they’re trying to say they’ll do this and do that as if they’re not the ones who could’ve already been doing it lol, the country’s a shit show because of them
Be fair, i’m in my 30’s, own my own home and have no reason to vote Tory.
This is a *huge* problem in the US at the moment. The causes here, and which also be an issue in the UK…?
* private equity firms buying up entry level homes and turning them into rentals…thus robbing the wealth-building opportunity of home ownership from young people and taking it for themselves
* local governments supporting very strict zoning that disallows the building of higher density units, because old people are being very selfish
* businesses not sharing productivity gains with employees (this has been going on for decades, with investors and upper management taking productivity gains for themselves rather than sharing)
My suggestion is to spend a while sharing a rental, even if you’re a couple. Save that extra $100k and then you can compete with the private equity firms paying in cash for homes.
And why would they vote for the other side of the coin ? You think your Labor is some kind of savior ?
The future is fucked and more and more young people are getting up to date. It keeps on getting fucked since we plan on going on with the “growth of GDP” as the ultimate goal of humanity, while being in competition with each other.
This is a joke, like in many countries. The main political parties are too deeply affiliated with private corps and in the current system, we’ll never see the changes necessary to adapt our society to a finite planet.
I feel it should be mandatory for people to vote. Of course they could still spoil the ballot but how can you have an effective democracy when it’s so easy to influence people to not come out and vote?
If you clapped for the NHS – no reason to vote Tory.
If you’re worried about house prices, train prices or utility prices, then you’d never vote Tory.
If you’re Christian, then obviously you’d never vote Tory.
If you believe in a fair society, then you’d never vote Tory.
If you want a government that works for YOU, rather than lining its own pockets at the public expense, then you’d never vote Tory.
Loads of them still will because “muh taxes”
> For many of those who vote blue at every election, a vote for the Conservatives is a vote for low taxation, wealth creation and restrained public spending.
So fantasists?
– Tories have grown public debt year over year, not very restrained.
– Inequality is greater than any comparable economy apart from the US, doesn’t sound like wealth creation
– Wage growth in the UK since 2015 9%. Compared to 40% in Germany and 39% in France. Creating wealth for who?
– Council tax has grown every year under the tories because that’s where they’re pushing the tax
and all the rest of the stats here: https://twitter.com/RussInCheshire/status/1548982466995802112
Fuck the Telegraph pushing this narrative. The Tories have plundered the country’s wealth and impoverished British citizens for their own gain.
This again. Look what Elon Musk achieved after he gave up Netflix and expensive coffees.
There is never a good reason to vote Tory
Maybe the young finally need to come out and vote for once.
Most of the young I know who vote tory do so for the whole culture war thing.
I know its Saturday but young people can you work just a teensy bit harder, my pension needs topping up.
PS I’m putting up the rent in line with inflation plus three percent.
I’ll be completely honest, I don’t vote because I don’t get it
Country is going to shit, I’m sure it’s more complicated than Tory bad labour good.
If I don’t understand, why should I vote?
All of my well off older friends vote Tory. They don’t understand what it’s like living now. They grew up in the age of affordability and easy credit. Everyone got a house and 2 cars on a single person salary
On the other had, all my younger friends want labour. From what I’ve seen, they don’t actually know why. Their reasons vary from “fuck the Tory’s” to wanting free education, free housing, free this, free that, without understanding the UK doesn’t have a magic money tree
I’m 31 and I just feel I don’t know enough about politics to vote, and everyone around me that does vote is either heavily biased or just a moron
It’s a good thing we ousted unelectable Corbyn who wanted to build a large amount of social housing, provide housing at a discount for first time buyers, or right to buy which would allow renters to buy from their private landlords. Such unelectable policies. Now we have Keir Starmer, who understands the housing crisis but won’t do anything about it. Except maybe give ftb first dibs on new builds. Apparently discouraging investment is a better idea than actually paying for social housing so lower income households can get on the ladder and not be dependant on the state.
But as long as he doesn’t appear socialist it’s fine. That’s far more electable apparently.
JCs housing policies were literally the reason I voted for him. So disappointed others didn’t see the same.
I actually couldn’t agree more with this. I’ve always voted Conservative and been happy with that decision but recently I don’t believe they are the right party anymore, especially is Rishi become PM. Who else could we vote for? There’s no other party I personally find capable or able to fulfil the needs of young people. Their priority’s are not in the right place. I honestly think we need a new party that isn’t right or left wing. We need a party that represents young people and our best interests.
34, home owner, wouldn’t vote tories if they were offering to pay off my mortgage.
They have done irreparable harm to my friends and family, to all brits, and to our international standing and there’s every indication they plan to continue.
I’m 38 and own my home outright. If I didn’t stay at home through Uni until I was 25 letting me save a good chunk, I would have had no hope of ever owning it.
Ignore the lie of “embrace your independence”, it exsists to get you into the renters market and once your stuck there its gg.
Fuck em all, but especially the cunts, neither built anywhere near enough himes whilst in power
I’m 38 and hate that some of my friends talk about how Labour will ruin their businesses and the Torys are the only party to support businesses. They’ve clearly been indoctrinated by the Daily Heil (or similar bog roll quality news).
Everyone needs to start engaging in political dialogue with their nearest and dearest to try and create an opportunity for change. Moaning on reddit isn’t it (much as I like to moan on reddit).
But yeah, FPTP doesn’t work, hence why the tories don’t use it to elect their leader. They use a form of alternative voting where the lowest score is knocked out and another round is held. We could run that (ranked choice 1-3) nationally but it would ruin the tories forever hence why they don’t want it.
But it works just fine in Germany…..
BUT WATCH THEM DO IT ANYWAY!
A lot of the politically engaged denizens of UKPol and this sub don’t get it-
It’s not just about the Tories, Labour, Lib Dems, SNP or whatever party.
The system works against young people and against anybody who wants a semblance of choice in who governs the country.
The system breeds political opportunists and narcissists – it allows the two major parties to openly lie because they will never truly die under FPTP.
In PR, a party can be punished for lying, and they often are. Parties die in those countries all the time and get replaced by newer ones.
However, most don’t die but they do get significantly reduced authority from what they once had. They lose much of their voting blocs to newer ones and then either work with them or try to reform themselves to have a chance of coming into government next time around.
That is part of the reason why they almost always have coalitions and not majority government. People in those countries have choices.
The British public don’t, and that is extremely disillusioning for many young people, because this is their future that is at stake more than anyone else’s.
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For many of those who vote blue at every election, a vote for the Conservatives is a vote for low taxation, wealth creation and restrained public spending.
The Tories have long been the party trusted to balance the books and to restore and protect household wealth for those willing to work hard for it.
Yet now Tory Britain is facing an existential crisis, for we have ended up with a tax-guzzling government hell-bent on squeezing the life out of second-homeownership.
But for the nation’s younger voters, the future is very bleak. Graduates are leaving university with unfathomable amounts of student debt, stagnant wages and surging inflation. Many have been condemned to begin their working lives behind a desk at home, deprived of any professional inspiration or career traction.
Most dispiriting of all are ever-rising house prices, which mean many young adults now have no real prospect of ever buying their own home. Figures this week revealed that property prices are now close to 22pc higher than in March 2020.
As the average house now costs nine times the average salary, the only hope for many Millennials is the Bank of Mum and Dad or an inheritance windfall. And here therein lies the Tory party’s problem.
A generation of potential voters are stuck in a relentless rent cycle, unable to take the first step on the property ladder, but also the first step towards a vote for the Conservatives – who are now badly flagging in the polls.
Even now, in the thick of a leadership contest, we are being fed soundbite politics instead of sound economic proposals that could go someway to fix the property problem.
Leadership contenders know that the party needs to get young people on the housing ladder, but are yet to find the imagination or ingenuity to rise to the challenge. So far, the only stance taken has been pledges to cut housing targets.
In the face of Labour’s reckless public overspending, the Tories were the party elected to balance the books. In the wake of Brexit, it was the party we elected to restore national and economic pride.
Yet Britain has ended up with the largest tax burden in modern history and a generation of young adults who are up to their eyeballs in debt and see the wealth enjoyed by their parents and grandparents as simply unattainable.
How willing will these young voters be to forgive the Tories? The economic squeeze is not only a disaster for the young, but it’s ugly for the future of the Conservative Party.
The only good news is that, with a change of leadership, the Conservatives now have a chance to wipe the slate clean and rebuild Tory Britain before the next election.
A place on the property ladder and a war chest of wealth are two good reasons to vote Tory, but the party is fast running out of supporters.
The Telegraph – “Are we the baddies?”
The final line of the article, which seems to be a conclusion, is at best confusing and at worst confused.
It’s not who the ‘young’ (under 45) will vote for, it’s whether they will vote at all.
18 to 44 year olds averaged under 60% turnout in 2019
According to the tories, people under 50 are avacodo work shy, streaming pieces of shit who whine about everything and are entitled bastards because we are expected to put up with constantly being fucked over.
​
I have no hope of ever learning how to drive, getting a house or flat of my own. If the tories could get away with it, they would make people my age(i’m almost 30) pay a lot more tax whilst the rich pay less. The tories can fuck themselves. Looong and hard. If I’m unfortunate enough to require an ambulance, I can see myself dying because the NHS is being fucked over so the tories can sell it to their mates.
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Oh and retirement? HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA! I’ll be working until i’m 90.
Of the people I know of my generation those that do own a home did so with massive amounts of help from their parents or by inheritance. The rest of us are going to be renting forever and won’t have any option to retire. So I sympathise entirely with millennials and GenZ who have it even worse. I just wish more of them would vote even though it feels pointless.
I may be a little old (43) for this, but I can well understand the logic of the younger voter.
I have been made redundant three times.
Typical graduate salaries have remained static for Twenty. Fucking. Years.
My own father was doing a job not too dissimilar to my own. And while I was fortunate enough to be sent to private schools, I don’t have the money to do the same for any kids I might have. Why not? Because school fees have kept up with inflation much more than salaries have.
I’ll be the first to admit I’m earning a good salary, and I’m nowhere near as badly off as an awful lot of people. But how the hell come I’m in a similar position (job-title wise) to Mum and Dad, but in a house half the size of the houses I grew up in?
I realise that won’t get me any sympathy from a huge number of renters who think “my heart fucking bleeds” – but I assure anyone reading this, I’m a hell of a lot closer to you than I am ever going to be to the likes of Jeff Fucking Bezos.
The issue for Labour (and, indeed, other parties) being that the actual “young” (18-25) for the most part don’t vote at all.
Anyone under 50 that votes tory is just so out of touch, just can’t talk to them they’re delusional
Hopefully all of this makes a move to break down the tories and maybe have a chance under other governments (although there is no one currently that I’d vote for as a party I support, which is depressing)
Let’s just hope the whole system breaks down and we get actual reform
I’m 44 and worked all my life and I still have no chance of owning a home so the young have no chance
I accepted never owning a home last April and just last month accepted that I’m not going to be able to retire also. I’m no longer paying into a pension and just investing that money into myself
As a young person I have no reason to vote Tory or anyone. None of them represent myself, my beliefs or family and friends. They are all crooks in it for money and power.
Nobody else surprised that the Telegraph turned so scathingly on the Tories here?
If it hadn’t been for the inevitable “Labour reckless spending” line I’d have forgotten which paper it was.
Wow, the Telegraph really make no effort to hide their allegiance. They really are the Torygraph eh!
Never mind the young; I’m 43 in just over a month and I wouldn’t vote Tory if you held me down and stuck a shotgun in my mouth.
Absolutely disgusting how the general public have been treated. So many people out there struggling whilst these smug ass holes are bleeding people dry. People not being afford to live will come at a price and the greed of the corporations and the powers that be deserve to be on the receiving end
How does anyone have a reason to vote for them at this point, they’re trying to say they’ll do this and do that as if they’re not the ones who could’ve already been doing it lol, the country’s a shit show because of them
Be fair, i’m in my 30’s, own my own home and have no reason to vote Tory.
This is a *huge* problem in the US at the moment. The causes here, and which also be an issue in the UK…?
* private equity firms buying up entry level homes and turning them into rentals…thus robbing the wealth-building opportunity of home ownership from young people and taking it for themselves
* local governments supporting very strict zoning that disallows the building of higher density units, because old people are being very selfish
* businesses not sharing productivity gains with employees (this has been going on for decades, with investors and upper management taking productivity gains for themselves rather than sharing)
My suggestion is to spend a while sharing a rental, even if you’re a couple. Save that extra $100k and then you can compete with the private equity firms paying in cash for homes.
And why would they vote for the other side of the coin ? You think your Labor is some kind of savior ?
The future is fucked and more and more young people are getting up to date. It keeps on getting fucked since we plan on going on with the “growth of GDP” as the ultimate goal of humanity, while being in competition with each other.
This is a joke, like in many countries. The main political parties are too deeply affiliated with private corps and in the current system, we’ll never see the changes necessary to adapt our society to a finite planet.
I feel it should be mandatory for people to vote. Of course they could still spoil the ballot but how can you have an effective democracy when it’s so easy to influence people to not come out and vote?
If you clapped for the NHS – no reason to vote Tory.
If you’re worried about house prices, train prices or utility prices, then you’d never vote Tory.
If you’re Christian, then obviously you’d never vote Tory.
If you believe in a fair society, then you’d never vote Tory.
If you want a government that works for YOU, rather than lining its own pockets at the public expense, then you’d never vote Tory.
Loads of them still will because “muh taxes”
> For many of those who vote blue at every election, a vote for the Conservatives is a vote for low taxation, wealth creation and restrained public spending.
So fantasists?
– Tories have grown public debt year over year, not very restrained.
– Inequality is greater than any comparable economy apart from the US, doesn’t sound like wealth creation
– Wage growth in the UK since 2015 9%. Compared to 40% in Germany and 39% in France. Creating wealth for who?
– Council tax has grown every year under the tories because that’s where they’re pushing the tax
and all the rest of the stats here: https://twitter.com/RussInCheshire/status/1548982466995802112
Fuck the Telegraph pushing this narrative. The Tories have plundered the country’s wealth and impoverished British citizens for their own gain.
This again. Look what Elon Musk achieved after he gave up Netflix and expensive coffees.
There is never a good reason to vote Tory
Maybe the young finally need to come out and vote for once.
Most of the young I know who vote tory do so for the whole culture war thing.
I know its Saturday but young people can you work just a teensy bit harder, my pension needs topping up.
PS I’m putting up the rent in line with inflation plus three percent.
I’ll be completely honest, I don’t vote because I don’t get it
Country is going to shit, I’m sure it’s more complicated than Tory bad labour good.
If I don’t understand, why should I vote?
All of my well off older friends vote Tory. They don’t understand what it’s like living now. They grew up in the age of affordability and easy credit. Everyone got a house and 2 cars on a single person salary
On the other had, all my younger friends want labour. From what I’ve seen, they don’t actually know why. Their reasons vary from “fuck the Tory’s” to wanting free education, free housing, free this, free that, without understanding the UK doesn’t have a magic money tree
I’m 31 and I just feel I don’t know enough about politics to vote, and everyone around me that does vote is either heavily biased or just a moron
It’s a good thing we ousted unelectable Corbyn who wanted to build a large amount of social housing, provide housing at a discount for first time buyers, or right to buy which would allow renters to buy from their private landlords. Such unelectable policies. Now we have Keir Starmer, who understands the housing crisis but won’t do anything about it. Except maybe give ftb first dibs on new builds. Apparently discouraging investment is a better idea than actually paying for social housing so lower income households can get on the ladder and not be dependant on the state.
But as long as he doesn’t appear socialist it’s fine. That’s far more electable apparently.
JCs housing policies were literally the reason I voted for him. So disappointed others didn’t see the same.
I actually couldn’t agree more with this. I’ve always voted Conservative and been happy with that decision but recently I don’t believe they are the right party anymore, especially is Rishi become PM. Who else could we vote for? There’s no other party I personally find capable or able to fulfil the needs of young people. Their priority’s are not in the right place. I honestly think we need a new party that isn’t right or left wing. We need a party that represents young people and our best interests.
34, home owner, wouldn’t vote tories if they were offering to pay off my mortgage.
They have done irreparable harm to my friends and family, to all brits, and to our international standing and there’s every indication they plan to continue.
I’m 38 and own my home outright. If I didn’t stay at home through Uni until I was 25 letting me save a good chunk, I would have had no hope of ever owning it.
Ignore the lie of “embrace your independence”, it exsists to get you into the renters market and once your stuck there its gg.
Fuck em all, but especially the cunts, neither built anywhere near enough himes whilst in power
You don’t have to be old to be successful
Only thing I can see to do is support the Make votes matter movement https://www.makevotesmatter.org.uk/events
I’m 38 and hate that some of my friends talk about how Labour will ruin their businesses and the Torys are the only party to support businesses. They’ve clearly been indoctrinated by the Daily Heil (or similar bog roll quality news).
Everyone needs to start engaging in political dialogue with their nearest and dearest to try and create an opportunity for change. Moaning on reddit isn’t it (much as I like to moan on reddit).
But yeah, FPTP doesn’t work, hence why the tories don’t use it to elect their leader. They use a form of alternative voting where the lowest score is knocked out and another round is held. We could run that (ranked choice 1-3) nationally but it would ruin the tories forever hence why they don’t want it.
But it works just fine in Germany…..
BUT WATCH THEM DO IT ANYWAY!
A lot of the politically engaged denizens of UKPol and this sub don’t get it-
It’s not just about the Tories, Labour, Lib Dems, SNP or whatever party.
The system works against young people and against anybody who wants a semblance of choice in who governs the country.
The system breeds political opportunists and narcissists – it allows the two major parties to openly lie because they will never truly die under FPTP.
In PR, a party can be punished for lying, and they often are. Parties die in those countries all the time and get replaced by newer ones.
However, most don’t die but they do get significantly reduced authority from what they once had. They lose much of their voting blocs to newer ones and then either work with them or try to reform themselves to have a chance of coming into government next time around.
That is part of the reason why they almost always have coalitions and not majority government. People in those countries have choices.
The British public don’t, and that is extremely disillusioning for many young people, because this is their future that is at stake more than anyone else’s.