This is absolutely awful but better get used to this unless the government start to properly invest in the NHS, which I can’t see happening too soon.
That’s enough time to fly to and fro Switzerland 5 times and still arrive faster at the hospital than the ambulance.
Welcome to tory Britain!
Where they don’t give a shit about you!
Let’s increase immigration to help.
You’d think after the first hour or two he’d have bunged her in the back of a cab. Instead he (this is one of the rare times I consider the term applicable) passive-aggressively kept ringing 999.
Wow, this is horrible. I’ve contemplated getting rid of our household car due to costs. But one of the key reasons not to get rid of it was poor ambulance response times.
However, what do you even do in a situation where you can’t or shouldn’t move the casualty? There is no planning your way out of that one. You are entirely at the mercy of the ambulance service.
I’m going to reiterate this again, if you have been waiting longer than 15-30 minutes for an ambulance in a serious situation , do not continue to wait, find any means you can to get your family member/friend to hospital. The ambulance service simply does not have the resources as is evident in the above article, however people also need to use some common sense.
And the son couldn’t call a neighbour, police or taxi? There’s zero chance of me leaving my mum lying on the floor for that long
I’m so disgusted; so utterly appalled by this
We don’t need more ambulances really we need more facilities for the ambulances to unload people to for medical care.
But hey, at taxes are lower in a way so minuscule that it only affects big businesses!
I guess we need to clap harder. I don’t expect anything else from this govt.
Not surprised, this isn’t recent either just been getting worse since covid. Had a number of times had to call ambulance at home and they were all encouraging you to make your own way by friend or taxi if possible as its a 6 hour wait. And I was wondering, well what happens if you don’t have the ability to call friend or taxi, your just dead?
Here is the thing though if you don’t go by ambulance you then have to queue to get into the emergency dept for about another couple of hours until a random secretary decides you are serious enough to jump the queue to the normal inside queue. Guy behind us was bleeding heavily from his leg… nope he had to wait on the ground.
The ambulance is faster in most places in 3rd world countries… Unironically…
Yep, that’s what 12 years of cuts do to a service. The Tories are and inhumane bunch of lying wasters who cared nothing for his mother and many like her. We need to revolt.
Not enough staff to meet demand.
Doesn’t matter why, be it funding, levels of pay, poor organisation or political interference.
There are not enough staff to meet demand.
If my mum was lying on the floor in pain I wouldn’t be sat there waiting for help for 11 hours I’d be getting her to hospital myself.
And yet some of them are putting out car fires. Caused my druggies.
I hate the Tories, but throwing more money at the NHS isn’t going to fix it. Its run dreadful with multiple people doing the same role in every department in every hospital and management / senior staff who are on mental amounts for doing a pittance of the new nurses.
It’s horrible to say but it needs to be took apart and rebuilt from ground up with a private methodology but owned by the public.
I assumed her son was 8 years old. He’s a middle aged man. Fucking hell – yes, the system is totally buggered, but what a hopeless cunt.
There must be an alternative, I would pay a private provider if I could, if the alternative is to die. This story could end up better if they would be honest and would say the ambulance is nowhere close. At least he would know nobody is coming and maybe would even order a taxi to the hospital. Or asked a neighbour for a ride
38 weeks minimum wait at my local hospital to see specialists, the NHS constitution says the maximum acceptable wait time is 18 weeks… this country is completely and utterly fucked but I swear most people haven’t realised how bad it’s gotten because they’ve not had to rely on the NHS for something serious yet.
One thing that isn’t covered here is that ambulance call outs for falls in the over 65s equates to 40% of all ambulance calls outs.
A number of these will involve picking the person up off the floor, checking their OK and settling them down. Not to sound heartless but that shouldn’t be a job for paramedics, especially when they are stretched to breaking point.
Unless something changes this will only get worse as the boomers are falling into that age demographic and they outnumber most other age groups.
There are nationalised health services all over the world and most of them don’t have problems like this. It’s a totally unneccesary, deliberate, and cruel choice by the Conservatives to deprive our public services of the resources they need to operate effectively.
And when the health service goes on strike to try and rectify shit like this, many of the same people thinking this is unacceptable will demonise them.
The other night, my 2-year-old was struggling to breathe. 999 told me I was a priority case, and therefore would be pushed to the top of the queue, and the ambulance would be with me in “oh we’re really busy right now so about an hour”. (This was 3am on a bog standard weeknight – literally the least busy time for ambulances)
Don’t know what would have happened if I didn’t have a car. I guess I’m rich enough to afford a car, and so therefore the Tories deem my child worth keeping alive?
So I work for the ambulance service and I see poor old dears who’ve fallen and can’t get up a lot. It is really heartbreaking, especially when they’ve been waiting for such a long time.
I’d love for everyone who needs an ambulance to be seen instantly it’s just not feasible! The problems facing the ambulance service (in my opinion)
Lack of staff – we have garages full of ambulances but not enough people to work on them.
Staff illness/burnout – lots of staff off with covid, stress, compassion fatigue, back injuries.
Rota – the rota is pretty nasty (at least in my area) 60 hour weeks are common, and that’s without including late finishes.
Pay – paramedics earn nowhere near enough. Actually no frontline NHS staff earn enough but that’s pretty much a given sadly.
Risk-averseness – we get sent to ‘check on things’ which are usually outside our area of expertise. Also the amount of paperwork we have to do for every job is insane. Make sure we tick all the boxes and get all the details, getting pulled up for missing things etc. Even a quick job takes an hour and a half and a lot of the time we convey to hospital for further checks to cover ourselves more than anything.
Hospital handover times – not having a go at hospitals, they’re in the same position as us. One day last week there was 1 bed free in the whole hospital. They were absolutely at capacity. Then you end up with every ambulance in the area queueing in the corridor with no one left to attend jobs.
Private ambulance companies – due to lack of staff, the NHS pays private companies lots and lots of money to fill the gaps in the rota. This causes the companies to be able to offer much better salaries so staff leave the NHS to work for them, meaning the NHS having to pay more private companies even more money and so the cycle continues.
Regular callers – we have a lot of time wasters, but they drop in the key words to the call takers and nobody wants to get sued so off we go on blue lights and sirens to someone who instantly tells us to fuck off.
General publics lack of common sense – about 40% of what we go to can be classed as bullshit that doesn’t require an ambulance.
Misunderstanding the word EMERGENCY – your hurty toe is not an emergency. Get a grip.
Care homes that don’t care. Y’all are more than capable of picking up Doris who only weights 20kg.
People who call an ambulance, get taken to hospital, then discharge themselves before any treatment. Why?
111 – so many people call 111 for advice and it feels like all they do is just dispatch an ambulance. I’ve been driving to a 96 y/o who had been on the floor for 6 hours and we get stood down to go to a 111 referral for abdo pain because “it codes higher” (abdominal pain could be a ruptured aorta so is more serious than a non-injury fall)
People think they’ll be seen faster if they go in by ambulance. You’ll be triaged the same! I can’t stress this enough. If your problem isn’t serious, you’ll be sat in the waiting room with everyone else. Why wait 6 hours for an ambulance to then wait another 6 hours in hospital? Get yourself down there and save 6 hours.
Its terrifying one of my neighbors found some random guy completely nonsensical and in and out of consciousness with the shallowest breathing i’ve even seen on something alive behind the bins it took nearly 6 hours to get an ambulance out by which point he was looking really bad. I can almost understand it if it had been called in as a drunk guy is asleep behind the bins but dude didn’t look like the kind of person to be using the bins as temporary accommodation and lacked the smell of a guy on a drinking binge and all of this was communicated multiple times.
So if it looks bad and you seriously think someone can’t wait an in determinant amount of time for urgent care consider bundling them and yourself into a taxi to the nearest A and E (assuming its safe to attempt to do so don’t move people with suspected back injuries unless you have a spine board and a couple of trained professionals.)
The clapping clearly wasn’t loud enough 🙄
But don’t worry, Sunak is talking about closing the borders again. You know, all the usual important stuff
This is awful and should have never happened. Having said that…
He left his mum hurt on the floor for eleven hours? Has he never heard of a taxi?
I’m sorry but why are so many people apparently incapable of trying to help the elderly person up themselves and getting them to hospital by car or cab? I know people are worried that they might cause more damage but I find it hard to believe it is always preferable to leave someone on the floor for that long without attempting anything themselves
I think there should be a course to attend about basic health self-care
I don’t mean like the first ad. But how to look after yourself if you got a cold, stomach flu etc
So this free ambulance up for patients who need them, so when person can’t be moved by an untrained person there more ambulances for them
This is what the tories want. People dying in ambulances. They want the UK public to lose all faith in the NHS so that it’ll easier to destroy completely.
Many senior figures in the party will make staggering amounts of money.
The Conservatives are a death cult.
I knew things were bad but this is on a whole new level
The problem is that its not management or admin staff hiring and retention, its clinical staff retention and hiring. You can have as many managers and admin staff as you like, that won’t change the fact that if you haven’t got the nurses, doctors and consultants, the waiting times and lists will just keep going up. The NHS is competing with not only private clinics in the UK, they are also competing with other countries.
When tube drivers are on £57k a year and a band 6/7 nurse gets £36k, you can start to see the simmering disgruntlement of nurses. My other half is a nurse doing an anesthetics course that takes 5 years, tube driving training take 6 months and get paid £20k more.
Lets not forget the constant attacks by the media, politicians and the public. I heard someone on TV this morning who luckily got her hip replacement paid for by someone and then proceeded to say “I have paid my National Insurance, I have paid in my dues, and I am outraged”. I just had to turn it off when I heard that. No wonder they are having problems with clinical staff retention when the people like this just dont give a damn about them. Why should clinical staff put up with all kinds of shit all the time. No respect for them, no understanding, no nothing. At this rate, there won’t be an NHS because there will be no clinical staff who wants to work for them.
Classic Britain
The Tories don’t even give a shit about this crisis. It isn’t even on their radar. Simply not bothered.
Turned up to visit a care client this morning only to have his relative answer the door and tell me he’d fallen during the night and bled to death waiting for an ambulance. He was such a cheerful chap and relatively healthy for his age.
We have a few clients that are high falls risk, so you’re always aware how long it might take an ambulance if something happens, but it’s never been made so horrifically relevant to me.
Where do they live and how far are they from
The hospital.
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This is absolutely awful but better get used to this unless the government start to properly invest in the NHS, which I can’t see happening too soon.
That’s enough time to fly to and fro Switzerland 5 times and still arrive faster at the hospital than the ambulance.
Welcome to tory Britain!
Where they don’t give a shit about you!
Let’s increase immigration to help.
You’d think after the first hour or two he’d have bunged her in the back of a cab. Instead he (this is one of the rare times I consider the term applicable) passive-aggressively kept ringing 999.
Wow, this is horrible. I’ve contemplated getting rid of our household car due to costs. But one of the key reasons not to get rid of it was poor ambulance response times.
However, what do you even do in a situation where you can’t or shouldn’t move the casualty? There is no planning your way out of that one. You are entirely at the mercy of the ambulance service.
I’m going to reiterate this again, if you have been waiting longer than 15-30 minutes for an ambulance in a serious situation , do not continue to wait, find any means you can to get your family member/friend to hospital. The ambulance service simply does not have the resources as is evident in the above article, however people also need to use some common sense.
And the son couldn’t call a neighbour, police or taxi? There’s zero chance of me leaving my mum lying on the floor for that long
I’m so disgusted; so utterly appalled by this
We don’t need more ambulances really we need more facilities for the ambulances to unload people to for medical care.
But hey, at taxes are lower in a way so minuscule that it only affects big businesses!
I guess we need to clap harder. I don’t expect anything else from this govt.
Not surprised, this isn’t recent either just been getting worse since covid. Had a number of times had to call ambulance at home and they were all encouraging you to make your own way by friend or taxi if possible as its a 6 hour wait. And I was wondering, well what happens if you don’t have the ability to call friend or taxi, your just dead?
Here is the thing though if you don’t go by ambulance you then have to queue to get into the emergency dept for about another couple of hours until a random secretary decides you are serious enough to jump the queue to the normal inside queue. Guy behind us was bleeding heavily from his leg… nope he had to wait on the ground.
The ambulance is faster in most places in 3rd world countries… Unironically…
Yep, that’s what 12 years of cuts do to a service. The Tories are and inhumane bunch of lying wasters who cared nothing for his mother and many like her. We need to revolt.
Not enough staff to meet demand.
Doesn’t matter why, be it funding, levels of pay, poor organisation or political interference.
There are not enough staff to meet demand.
If my mum was lying on the floor in pain I wouldn’t be sat there waiting for help for 11 hours I’d be getting her to hospital myself.
And yet some of them are putting out car fires. Caused my druggies.
I hate the Tories, but throwing more money at the NHS isn’t going to fix it. Its run dreadful with multiple people doing the same role in every department in every hospital and management / senior staff who are on mental amounts for doing a pittance of the new nurses.
It’s horrible to say but it needs to be took apart and rebuilt from ground up with a private methodology but owned by the public.
I assumed her son was 8 years old. He’s a middle aged man. Fucking hell – yes, the system is totally buggered, but what a hopeless cunt.
There must be an alternative, I would pay a private provider if I could, if the alternative is to die. This story could end up better if they would be honest and would say the ambulance is nowhere close. At least he would know nobody is coming and maybe would even order a taxi to the hospital. Or asked a neighbour for a ride
38 weeks minimum wait at my local hospital to see specialists, the NHS constitution says the maximum acceptable wait time is 18 weeks… this country is completely and utterly fucked but I swear most people haven’t realised how bad it’s gotten because they’ve not had to rely on the NHS for something serious yet.
One thing that isn’t covered here is that ambulance call outs for falls in the over 65s equates to 40% of all ambulance calls outs.
A number of these will involve picking the person up off the floor, checking their OK and settling them down. Not to sound heartless but that shouldn’t be a job for paramedics, especially when they are stretched to breaking point.
Unless something changes this will only get worse as the boomers are falling into that age demographic and they outnumber most other age groups.
There are nationalised health services all over the world and most of them don’t have problems like this. It’s a totally unneccesary, deliberate, and cruel choice by the Conservatives to deprive our public services of the resources they need to operate effectively.
And when the health service goes on strike to try and rectify shit like this, many of the same people thinking this is unacceptable will demonise them.
The other night, my 2-year-old was struggling to breathe. 999 told me I was a priority case, and therefore would be pushed to the top of the queue, and the ambulance would be with me in “oh we’re really busy right now so about an hour”. (This was 3am on a bog standard weeknight – literally the least busy time for ambulances)
Don’t know what would have happened if I didn’t have a car. I guess I’m rich enough to afford a car, and so therefore the Tories deem my child worth keeping alive?
So I work for the ambulance service and I see poor old dears who’ve fallen and can’t get up a lot. It is really heartbreaking, especially when they’ve been waiting for such a long time.
I’d love for everyone who needs an ambulance to be seen instantly it’s just not feasible! The problems facing the ambulance service (in my opinion)
Lack of staff – we have garages full of ambulances but not enough people to work on them.
Staff illness/burnout – lots of staff off with covid, stress, compassion fatigue, back injuries.
Rota – the rota is pretty nasty (at least in my area) 60 hour weeks are common, and that’s without including late finishes.
Pay – paramedics earn nowhere near enough. Actually no frontline NHS staff earn enough but that’s pretty much a given sadly.
Risk-averseness – we get sent to ‘check on things’ which are usually outside our area of expertise. Also the amount of paperwork we have to do for every job is insane. Make sure we tick all the boxes and get all the details, getting pulled up for missing things etc. Even a quick job takes an hour and a half and a lot of the time we convey to hospital for further checks to cover ourselves more than anything.
Hospital handover times – not having a go at hospitals, they’re in the same position as us. One day last week there was 1 bed free in the whole hospital. They were absolutely at capacity. Then you end up with every ambulance in the area queueing in the corridor with no one left to attend jobs.
Private ambulance companies – due to lack of staff, the NHS pays private companies lots and lots of money to fill the gaps in the rota. This causes the companies to be able to offer much better salaries so staff leave the NHS to work for them, meaning the NHS having to pay more private companies even more money and so the cycle continues.
Regular callers – we have a lot of time wasters, but they drop in the key words to the call takers and nobody wants to get sued so off we go on blue lights and sirens to someone who instantly tells us to fuck off.
General publics lack of common sense – about 40% of what we go to can be classed as bullshit that doesn’t require an ambulance.
Misunderstanding the word EMERGENCY – your hurty toe is not an emergency. Get a grip.
Care homes that don’t care. Y’all are more than capable of picking up Doris who only weights 20kg.
People who call an ambulance, get taken to hospital, then discharge themselves before any treatment. Why?
111 – so many people call 111 for advice and it feels like all they do is just dispatch an ambulance. I’ve been driving to a 96 y/o who had been on the floor for 6 hours and we get stood down to go to a 111 referral for abdo pain because “it codes higher” (abdominal pain could be a ruptured aorta so is more serious than a non-injury fall)
People think they’ll be seen faster if they go in by ambulance. You’ll be triaged the same! I can’t stress this enough. If your problem isn’t serious, you’ll be sat in the waiting room with everyone else. Why wait 6 hours for an ambulance to then wait another 6 hours in hospital? Get yourself down there and save 6 hours.
Its terrifying one of my neighbors found some random guy completely nonsensical and in and out of consciousness with the shallowest breathing i’ve even seen on something alive behind the bins it took nearly 6 hours to get an ambulance out by which point he was looking really bad. I can almost understand it if it had been called in as a drunk guy is asleep behind the bins but dude didn’t look like the kind of person to be using the bins as temporary accommodation and lacked the smell of a guy on a drinking binge and all of this was communicated multiple times.
So if it looks bad and you seriously think someone can’t wait an in determinant amount of time for urgent care consider bundling them and yourself into a taxi to the nearest A and E (assuming its safe to attempt to do so don’t move people with suspected back injuries unless you have a spine board and a couple of trained professionals.)
The clapping clearly wasn’t loud enough 🙄
But don’t worry, Sunak is talking about closing the borders again. You know, all the usual important stuff
This is awful and should have never happened. Having said that…
He left his mum hurt on the floor for eleven hours? Has he never heard of a taxi?
I’m sorry but why are so many people apparently incapable of trying to help the elderly person up themselves and getting them to hospital by car or cab? I know people are worried that they might cause more damage but I find it hard to believe it is always preferable to leave someone on the floor for that long without attempting anything themselves
I think there should be a course to attend about basic health self-care
I don’t mean like the first ad. But how to look after yourself if you got a cold, stomach flu etc
So this free ambulance up for patients who need them, so when person can’t be moved by an untrained person there more ambulances for them
This is what the tories want. People dying in ambulances. They want the UK public to lose all faith in the NHS so that it’ll easier to destroy completely.
Many senior figures in the party will make staggering amounts of money.
The Conservatives are a death cult.
I knew things were bad but this is on a whole new level
The problem is that its not management or admin staff hiring and retention, its clinical staff retention and hiring. You can have as many managers and admin staff as you like, that won’t change the fact that if you haven’t got the nurses, doctors and consultants, the waiting times and lists will just keep going up. The NHS is competing with not only private clinics in the UK, they are also competing with other countries.
When tube drivers are on £57k a year and a band 6/7 nurse gets £36k, you can start to see the simmering disgruntlement of nurses. My other half is a nurse doing an anesthetics course that takes 5 years, tube driving training take 6 months and get paid £20k more.
Lets not forget the constant attacks by the media, politicians and the public. I heard someone on TV this morning who luckily got her hip replacement paid for by someone and then proceeded to say “I have paid my National Insurance, I have paid in my dues, and I am outraged”. I just had to turn it off when I heard that. No wonder they are having problems with clinical staff retention when the people like this just dont give a damn about them. Why should clinical staff put up with all kinds of shit all the time. No respect for them, no understanding, no nothing. At this rate, there won’t be an NHS because there will be no clinical staff who wants to work for them.
Classic Britain
The Tories don’t even give a shit about this crisis. It isn’t even on their radar. Simply not bothered.
Turned up to visit a care client this morning only to have his relative answer the door and tell me he’d fallen during the night and bled to death waiting for an ambulance. He was such a cheerful chap and relatively healthy for his age.
We have a few clients that are high falls risk, so you’re always aware how long it might take an ambulance if something happens, but it’s never been made so horrifically relevant to me.
Where do they live and how far are they from
The hospital.