TLDR: “Client-Side Scanning by its nature creates serious security and privacy risks for all society while the assistance it can provide for law enforcement is at best problematic. There are multiple ways in which client-side scanning can fail, can be evaded, and can be abused.”
There is a problem when you consider families sending pictures of their new born baked or toddlers first baths, or innocuous other firsts where the scan deems the image as CP.
Its obvious that the government dont give a shit about child protection. This is just another excuse for them to spy on us.
“protecting the children” card again. what a surprise.
So now I have to let their software run scans on my phone, with my electricity, to prove I’m not a pedo? Fuck off
… And of course, there’s no risk of a “false positive” result; nor is there any way in which a malicious actor could gain access to a mobile device over its network connection in order to plant illegal images or documents; nor would there be any commercial damage to the companies who make such software.
There are so many way in which this could go wrong that I have to question the expertise of these cybersecurity “chiefs”.
Join r/openrightsgroup to help campaign against this push from the government and GCHQ’s push to break encryption.
“As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation.” – Adolf Hitler.
I mean, if even Hitler was aware that this is a bullshit excuse…..
What BS…
What was done about KNOWN child abuse? All those hundreds of girls sacrificed?
F all.
Can’t see this solving anything. Only the absolute dumbest of perverts would then continue to store it on their phones after this policy went into effect. So I guess that just leaves several billion other non-phone devices to store it on, afterwards.
In a sense you’re just using natural selection to thin out the herd and thereby allow the survival of more clever perverts. :/
Job done.
>Muffett said: “It’s weird that they frame abuse as a ‘societal problem’ yet demand only technological solutions for it. Perhaps it would be more effective to use their funding to adopt harm-reduction approaches, hiring more social workers to implement them?”
Because cybersecurity chiefs only have the hammer of technical solutions and this looks like a nail. They are probably no more able to hire more social workers than the British Museum or the Health and Safety Executive, especially in a political environment where shrinking the public sector is the name of the game.
It’s also a *global* social problem, good luck hiring social workers in Syria or Russia or wherever these kids are being abused.
To me this suggests the world has just run out of options for dealing with child abuse and feeble “detect a few careless pedos” measures like this are all they have left
How long until someone is arrested for having photos of their own kids on their own phone? This is bollocks, especially when it’s the Peado protectors in government pushing for this!
I agree with the overarching reasons here. But what happened to innocent till proven guilty? This is essentially spyware and I have no doubt this will be abused. There must be a better way.
It starts with this, which is fully justified, I’m a victim of child sexual abuse as well in several different ways on several occasions.
But when are we going to start doing this for memes? When is the government going to also include scanning for “hate speech”? That 4chan meme you screenshotted to show your friends how stupid it is, or likewise that edgy meme you saved for shock value, will phones be scanned for that?
This is a slippery slope. Eventually it’ll surpass just pedophilia & “hate crime”
This is clearly wrong.
The scanning will obviously not be 100% accurate. There will surely need to be a human eye involved at some stage? Just scrolling through people’s nudes lol.
If they plan on using hashes, I don’t see how they isn’t quite easy to avoid?
> Heads of GCHQ and NCSC say client-side scanning could protect children and privacy at the same time
Utter bollocks. It’s more invasion of privacy dressed up as “won’t someone think of the children?”
> “We’ve found no reason why client-side scanning techniques cannot be implemented safely in many of the situations one will encounter,” they wrote in a discussion paper published on Thursday, which the pair said was “not government policy”.
Then you haven’t looked very hard… Malicious users can use this approach to check for _anything_ they find objectionable and you’d never know.
Profiling millions of people to see how widely received a political leaflet is? No problem with this system.
Haha what a load of lies
They just want a way to spy on the population, and come up with some cover story To justify it
So transparent
Don’t worry. If you use Windows 10, it’s already doing this.
What if it scans images of short women who happen to be blessed with good genes and look like teens?
What if it scans images of newborns sent to relatives?
What if it scans art and deems it porn?
Almost nobody in the industry supports this.
Of *course* the fascist bootlicking twats at GCHQ and NCSC would though.
What happens when a parent has pictures on their phones of their naked children? I mean, technically that is against the law right?
It’s how it starts then it’s anything that gose against the party it’ll be like in China
Fuck right off. Protecting children is a worthy cause but you can’t take away the privacy of innocent people. Especially not when this is so open to abuse
Titles like this just further convince me “UK Cybersecurity chiefs” wouldn’t know an ASA if you shoved it up their ass sideways.
I’d bet most of them needed help with VCR’s.
A quote from the article: “It’s weird that they frame abuse as a ‘societal problem’ yet demand only technological solutions for it.”
It’s not “weird” at all. “Leaders” in this country have a history of thinking that solutions to complex problems can be short-cut by technology rather than investment and time. See also “smart” motorways, the Brexit customs IT system, and pretty much any other government IT project…
They need massive overarching power to detect pedophiles, who they then do not jail? Who is falling for that bullshit?
Cos Britain cares so much about the kids.
There was that episode of Sherlock where Mycroft threatened someone that he could have child porn put on his laptop and phone to incriminate him.
Nothing is ever 100% hack proof someone will a security vulnerability and peoples private photos will be leaked.
Whether it’s happening already, ignorance is “bliss”, or whether they are getting ahead of a “disclosure “scoop by some journalist (if they still exist) with this government it’s a giant step down that slippery slope we descended 12yrs ago.
it’s a long way to go about dealing with it when we barely even prosecute the worst offenders for it.
nice excuse… “cyber jim will fix it”….
Title should be changed to clarify flag “cybersecurity chiefs” = “law enforcement and intelligence chiefs”.
We are talking about GCHQ and NCSC here.
I don’t necessarily disagree with them but as with all of this, it needs to be proportionate; and from their headline ask, it doesn’t sound proportionate.
I say this as someone ho used to work for a UK intelligence service.
Ahh, ye olde ‘think of the children’ ploy. What they gonna do, email them to Ghislaine Maxwell so she can carry on doing business from her ~~cushy low security office~~ cell? Wouldn’t put it past them at this stage.
Except it won’t be used for that will it? It’s the government taking a leaf out of the ccps books again.
We definitely are not a police state like China guys no way not us
As I’ve said before:
‘If you don’t let us spy on you, you must be a paedo’.
They’re leading with child abuse because it’s incredibly easy to shoot down anyone arguing against these plans.
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Great, do parliament first.
Where in general I am up for stuff like this to stop child abuse, these type of scans on phones are a slippery slope to much worse things to come.
If you are interested in why this is a very bad idea…
[Bugs in our Pockets: The Risks of Client-Side Scanning, Embargoed until 0200 CET Oct 15 – October 14, 2021](https://regmedia.co.uk/2021/10/14/key_risks_paper.pdf)
TLDR: “Client-Side Scanning by its nature creates serious security and privacy risks for all society while the assistance it can provide for law enforcement is at best problematic. There are multiple ways in which client-side scanning can fail, can be evaded, and can be abused.”
There is a problem when you consider families sending pictures of their new born baked or toddlers first baths, or innocuous other firsts where the scan deems the image as CP.
Its obvious that the government dont give a shit about child protection. This is just another excuse for them to spy on us.
“protecting the children” card again. what a surprise.
So now I have to let their software run scans on my phone, with my electricity, to prove I’m not a pedo? Fuck off
… And of course, there’s no risk of a “false positive” result; nor is there any way in which a malicious actor could gain access to a mobile device over its network connection in order to plant illegal images or documents; nor would there be any commercial damage to the companies who make such software.
There are so many way in which this could go wrong that I have to question the expertise of these cybersecurity “chiefs”.
This is just one more attempt from GCHQ and the Home Office to legitimise their goal to get around any and all encryption. More from Alec Muffett [here](https://alecmuffett.com/article/16236) and from [Open Rights Group here](https://www.openrightsgroup.org/campaign/save-encryption/https://www.openrightsgroup.org/campaign/save-encryption/).
Join r/openrightsgroup to help campaign against this push from the government and GCHQ’s push to break encryption.
“As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation.” – Adolf Hitler.
I mean, if even Hitler was aware that this is a bullshit excuse…..
What BS…
What was done about KNOWN child abuse? All those hundreds of girls sacrificed?
F all.
Can’t see this solving anything. Only the absolute dumbest of perverts would then continue to store it on their phones after this policy went into effect. So I guess that just leaves several billion other non-phone devices to store it on, afterwards.
In a sense you’re just using natural selection to thin out the herd and thereby allow the survival of more clever perverts. :/
Job done.
>Muffett said: “It’s weird that they frame abuse as a ‘societal problem’ yet demand only technological solutions for it. Perhaps it would be more effective to use their funding to adopt harm-reduction approaches, hiring more social workers to implement them?”
Because cybersecurity chiefs only have the hammer of technical solutions and this looks like a nail. They are probably no more able to hire more social workers than the British Museum or the Health and Safety Executive, especially in a political environment where shrinking the public sector is the name of the game.
It’s also a *global* social problem, good luck hiring social workers in Syria or Russia or wherever these kids are being abused.
To me this suggests the world has just run out of options for dealing with child abuse and feeble “detect a few careless pedos” measures like this are all they have left
How long until someone is arrested for having photos of their own kids on their own phone? This is bollocks, especially when it’s the Peado protectors in government pushing for this!
I agree with the overarching reasons here. But what happened to innocent till proven guilty? This is essentially spyware and I have no doubt this will be abused. There must be a better way.
It starts with this, which is fully justified, I’m a victim of child sexual abuse as well in several different ways on several occasions.
But when are we going to start doing this for memes? When is the government going to also include scanning for “hate speech”? That 4chan meme you screenshotted to show your friends how stupid it is, or likewise that edgy meme you saved for shock value, will phones be scanned for that?
This is a slippery slope. Eventually it’ll surpass just pedophilia & “hate crime”
This is clearly wrong.
The scanning will obviously not be 100% accurate. There will surely need to be a human eye involved at some stage? Just scrolling through people’s nudes lol.
If they plan on using hashes, I don’t see how they isn’t quite easy to avoid?
> Heads of GCHQ and NCSC say client-side scanning could protect children and privacy at the same time
Utter bollocks. It’s more invasion of privacy dressed up as “won’t someone think of the children?”
> “We’ve found no reason why client-side scanning techniques cannot be implemented safely in many of the situations one will encounter,” they wrote in a discussion paper published on Thursday, which the pair said was “not government policy”.
Then you haven’t looked very hard… Malicious users can use this approach to check for _anything_ they find objectionable and you’d never know.
Profiling millions of people to see how widely received a political leaflet is? No problem with this system.
Haha what a load of lies
They just want a way to spy on the population, and come up with some cover story To justify it
So transparent
Don’t worry. If you use Windows 10, it’s already doing this.
What if it scans images of short women who happen to be blessed with good genes and look like teens?
What if it scans images of newborns sent to relatives?
What if it scans art and deems it porn?
Almost nobody in the industry supports this.
Of *course* the fascist bootlicking twats at GCHQ and NCSC would though.
What happens when a parent has pictures on their phones of their naked children? I mean, technically that is against the law right?
It’s how it starts then it’s anything that gose against the party it’ll be like in China
Fuck right off. Protecting children is a worthy cause but you can’t take away the privacy of innocent people. Especially not when this is so open to abuse
Titles like this just further convince me “UK Cybersecurity chiefs” wouldn’t know an ASA if you shoved it up their ass sideways.
I’d bet most of them needed help with VCR’s.
A quote from the article: “It’s weird that they frame abuse as a ‘societal problem’ yet demand only technological solutions for it.”
It’s not “weird” at all. “Leaders” in this country have a history of thinking that solutions to complex problems can be short-cut by technology rather than investment and time. See also “smart” motorways, the Brexit customs IT system, and pretty much any other government IT project…
They need massive overarching power to detect pedophiles, who they then do not jail? Who is falling for that bullshit?
Cos Britain cares so much about the kids.
There was that episode of Sherlock where Mycroft threatened someone that he could have child porn put on his laptop and phone to incriminate him.
Nothing is ever 100% hack proof someone will a security vulnerability and peoples private photos will be leaked.
Whether it’s happening already, ignorance is “bliss”, or whether they are getting ahead of a “disclosure “scoop by some journalist (if they still exist) with this government it’s a giant step down that slippery slope we descended 12yrs ago.
Our response to this story is here –
UK Intelligence chief’s plan to scan our phones turns them into ‘spies in your pocket’ – https://www.openrightsgroup.org/press-releases/uk-intelligence-chiefs-plan-to-scan-our-phones-turns-them-into-spies-in-your-pocket/
it’s a long way to go about dealing with it when we barely even prosecute the worst offenders for it.
nice excuse… “cyber jim will fix it”….
Title should be changed to clarify flag “cybersecurity chiefs” = “law enforcement and intelligence chiefs”.
We are talking about GCHQ and NCSC here.
I don’t necessarily disagree with them but as with all of this, it needs to be proportionate; and from their headline ask, it doesn’t sound proportionate.
I say this as someone ho used to work for a UK intelligence service.
Ahh, ye olde ‘think of the children’ ploy. What they gonna do, email them to Ghislaine Maxwell so she can carry on doing business from her ~~cushy low security office~~ cell? Wouldn’t put it past them at this stage.
Except it won’t be used for that will it? It’s the government taking a leaf out of the ccps books again.
We definitely are not a police state like China guys no way not us
As I’ve said before:
‘If you don’t let us spy on you, you must be a paedo’.
They’re leading with child abuse because it’s incredibly easy to shoot down anyone arguing against these plans.