>Do Britons support or oppose the proposed law that would criminalise disruptive protests such as locking buildings or blocking trains stations and airports? (11 May)
>Support 55%
>Oppose 16%
Pissing people off doesn’t stop climate change
This is also probably the laziest way of trying to fight climate change – literally just running onto the road screaming “someone do something”.
We thought about saving society from collapse, but then … it was going to be terribly inconvenient! And it was a hot day, so we had a bbq and arrested anyone that mentioned the collapse
I’ve jumped on almost every other “Eco activism” bandwagon before. But for fuck sake don’t block the motorways. It just alienates possible supporters and drives up interest in pushing Anti-Protest laws. JSO and IB take it too far sometimes.
“What do we want?”
**action on climate change**
“How shall we get it?”
**by doing nothing that inconveniences literally anyone, no-one must change any aspect of their daily lives at all**
Folks, I think we have a winning formula.
The rich laugh as the poor tear one another to pieces
In the end, the protesters are on the right side of history.
What history is left to be written that is.
Good. Maybe people will start to wake the fuck up now after these ridiculous few days. We are sleepwalking into our own demise.
It’s possible to be losing sleep about the threat of climate change, recognise the need for immediate action, be involved in protests and such and STILL think THIS SPECIFIC type of protest is wildly counterproductive to your aims.
If you ever wanted an excuse to say were finished as a species; look no further than this thread. We are going to kill our planet because we’ve driven ourselves to a society that needs to feed off one another.
Are there protests like this in other countries that we don’t see on the news?
Is anyone protesting the absolute fucktons of coal Germany is burning?
Keep up the good work!
I’m extremely sympathetic to the protestors… but I can’t help but feel that these kind of actions only push otherwise unaligned voters towards the anti-protest camp. You are giving people an excuse to disregard climate change… (if only for personal bitterness).
Think a general strike would be more effective but good luck with that
Lol @ all the car-people getting their little nickers twisted up in this thread.
I know arguing is what Reddit does best, but I’m still amazed both sides of this argument continue to bicker about whether protesting is the right thing to do.
They forget that the main problem the anti-protest squad has is not being able to support their family because of decades of poor pay and a wage slave producing government.
The pro-protest squad forget that the true offender of carbon emissions are the corporates who pay for the governments to give them fair reign to rip and tear into OUR planet, and block motorways.
Quite frankly, both sides are fucking wrong. If we want action we should be dragging the policy makers into the street by force and blowing holes into the companies that affect the planet the most. The nestle and Coca Colas who fund this kind of media, designed to split us into tribes.
Whatever the arguments each side has on protests, whatever your points and ripostes, the world is still slowly getting warmer. Day by Day.
I think I’m resigned to it though. The pandemic showed that some people will outright refuse to be asked to care for others by wearing a mask.
You’re not going to get action from the people until we’re already in the end result. And even then there will be those that deny it’s even happening.
The 4 horsemen could knock on their doors and they’d still say it’s nothing.
And if by some miracle we did get the country on the same page, we then have to tackle the remaining hundreds of countries who keep belching black smoke.
I don’t think it’s possible to change course.
I find it fascinating how anti oil protesters and those who want cheaper oil will protest by doing the same thing.
It makes more sense with these guys I must say.
Isn’t it this group of “geniuses” who used to block a lorry with oil, cooking oil?
I almost think these protestors, including the insulate Britain type people are government plants in order to push through more legislation to limit our rights to protest whilst having the support of the UK people.
Good. It’s time to prioritise the planet and the eco system over corporate profits that just disappear into the pockets of the rich anyway.
Good on them. Hopefully the heatwave has woken up a few more people to the severity of our current predicament.
We’ll see how claims of “global warming is here, we need to take drastic action!” from yesterday hold up against an inconvenience to people’s day.
It’s kind of amazing seeing people in this thread regurgitate the exact same anti-protest soundbites that were spat at all other progressive movements over the past few centuries. Such as the labour movement, the suffragettes, literally any kind of non-white political movement, voter reform, stonewall, and more recently BLM.
The criticisms of these protests have always been wrong. Every single time.
Every. Single. Time.
And they’re wrong again now.
My journey took two hours more than accounted for today, and I was terribly late as a result. Now I know why.
Civil disobedience is necessary for change and I support their actions. Some things are more important than being punctual.
TBH, I’ve just heard on the radio traffic report that this is “causing long delays” near the M4 junction. My first thought was “how can they tell that the delays are anything to do with the protests?”
The blockade is just as likely to make the M25 move faster than grind it to a halt. The bloody thing is already a blockade before protesters show up.
We should already be building Nuclear Power Plants.
We should already have no new Gas boilers in new builds from 2025.
We do have a ban on the sale of new ICE vehicles by 2030. I’d suggest that gets monitored regularly in case that can be brought forward if a break-through in technology occurs.
We should have actually had the funds to insulate homes better, which got scrapped after 5 minutes.
We should already have cheaper subsidised public transport to encourage people out of cars.
We should continue to give a grant towards an electric vehicle, subsidised from a tax on new ICE vehicles.
That said, I don’t believe in this blocking your average person. The protests should be inconveniencing ministers, outside corporation buildings.
Its far too hot to be worrying about climate change today, let’s fix it later
i wonder if this is how groups become radical/terror groups. People ask nicely first, pleadingly next, desperately second to last, then they will stop asking. now im on a list
As well-intentioned such movements might be, that demand to “just do something” trivializes the very real problems “just doing it” would result in.
One has to wonder how much of that has to do with the very common misconception that fossil fuels are only used as an electricity fuel, and not as resources for a myriad of quite important things like aspirin and fertilizer?
And no, I’m not arguing how fossil fuels are irreplaceable, I’m merely pointing out that we actually need something to replace them, we can’t just “wish them away” and expect that will just magically fix all the problems.
As much as I like driving I say good. I honestly want protestors causing as much disruption as they possibly can.
Whilst the protests are obviously campaigning for the correct thing and I support their cause 100% they are never going to get widespread support when the people they need support from are the same people they are inconveniencing. They need to disrupt the lives of politicians, the CEOs of big corporations etc.
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The only significant impact of these protests is increasing support for anti-protest laws:
>https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/1526563357406420992
>(Non-twitter alternative: https://nitter.net/RedfieldWilton/status/1526563357406420992)
>Do Britons support or oppose the proposed law that would criminalise disruptive protests such as locking buildings or blocking trains stations and airports? (11 May)
>Support 55%
>Oppose 16%
Pissing people off doesn’t stop climate change
This is also probably the laziest way of trying to fight climate change – literally just running onto the road screaming “someone do something”.
We thought about saving society from collapse, but then … it was going to be terribly inconvenient! And it was a hot day, so we had a bbq and arrested anyone that mentioned the collapse
I’ve jumped on almost every other “Eco activism” bandwagon before. But for fuck sake don’t block the motorways. It just alienates possible supporters and drives up interest in pushing Anti-Protest laws. JSO and IB take it too far sometimes.
“What do we want?”
**action on climate change**
“How shall we get it?”
**by doing nothing that inconveniences literally anyone, no-one must change any aspect of their daily lives at all**
Folks, I think we have a winning formula.
The rich laugh as the poor tear one another to pieces
In the end, the protesters are on the right side of history.
What history is left to be written that is.
Good. Maybe people will start to wake the fuck up now after these ridiculous few days. We are sleepwalking into our own demise.
It’s possible to be losing sleep about the threat of climate change, recognise the need for immediate action, be involved in protests and such and STILL think THIS SPECIFIC type of protest is wildly counterproductive to your aims.
If you ever wanted an excuse to say were finished as a species; look no further than this thread. We are going to kill our planet because we’ve driven ourselves to a society that needs to feed off one another.
Are there protests like this in other countries that we don’t see on the news?
Is anyone protesting the absolute fucktons of coal Germany is burning?
Keep up the good work!
I’m extremely sympathetic to the protestors… but I can’t help but feel that these kind of actions only push otherwise unaligned voters towards the anti-protest camp. You are giving people an excuse to disregard climate change… (if only for personal bitterness).
Think a general strike would be more effective but good luck with that
Lol @ all the car-people getting their little nickers twisted up in this thread.
I know arguing is what Reddit does best, but I’m still amazed both sides of this argument continue to bicker about whether protesting is the right thing to do.
They forget that the main problem the anti-protest squad has is not being able to support their family because of decades of poor pay and a wage slave producing government.
The pro-protest squad forget that the true offender of carbon emissions are the corporates who pay for the governments to give them fair reign to rip and tear into OUR planet, and block motorways.
Quite frankly, both sides are fucking wrong. If we want action we should be dragging the policy makers into the street by force and blowing holes into the companies that affect the planet the most. The nestle and Coca Colas who fund this kind of media, designed to split us into tribes.
Whatever the arguments each side has on protests, whatever your points and ripostes, the world is still slowly getting warmer. Day by Day.
I think I’m resigned to it though. The pandemic showed that some people will outright refuse to be asked to care for others by wearing a mask.
You’re not going to get action from the people until we’re already in the end result. And even then there will be those that deny it’s even happening.
The 4 horsemen could knock on their doors and they’d still say it’s nothing.
And if by some miracle we did get the country on the same page, we then have to tackle the remaining hundreds of countries who keep belching black smoke.
I don’t think it’s possible to change course.
I find it fascinating how anti oil protesters and those who want cheaper oil will protest by doing the same thing.
It makes more sense with these guys I must say.
Isn’t it this group of “geniuses” who used to block a lorry with oil, cooking oil?
I almost think these protestors, including the insulate Britain type people are government plants in order to push through more legislation to limit our rights to protest whilst having the support of the UK people.
Good. It’s time to prioritise the planet and the eco system over corporate profits that just disappear into the pockets of the rich anyway.
Good on them. Hopefully the heatwave has woken up a few more people to the severity of our current predicament.
We’ll see how claims of “global warming is here, we need to take drastic action!” from yesterday hold up against an inconvenience to people’s day.
It’s kind of amazing seeing people in this thread regurgitate the exact same anti-protest soundbites that were spat at all other progressive movements over the past few centuries. Such as the labour movement, the suffragettes, literally any kind of non-white political movement, voter reform, stonewall, and more recently BLM.
The criticisms of these protests have always been wrong. Every single time.
Every. Single. Time.
And they’re wrong again now.
My journey took two hours more than accounted for today, and I was terribly late as a result. Now I know why.
Civil disobedience is necessary for change and I support their actions. Some things are more important than being punctual.
TBH, I’ve just heard on the radio traffic report that this is “causing long delays” near the M4 junction. My first thought was “how can they tell that the delays are anything to do with the protests?”
The blockade is just as likely to make the M25 move faster than grind it to a halt. The bloody thing is already a blockade before protesters show up.
We should already be building Nuclear Power Plants.
We should already have no new Gas boilers in new builds from 2025.
We do have a ban on the sale of new ICE vehicles by 2030. I’d suggest that gets monitored regularly in case that can be brought forward if a break-through in technology occurs.
We should have actually had the funds to insulate homes better, which got scrapped after 5 minutes.
We should already have cheaper subsidised public transport to encourage people out of cars.
We should continue to give a grant towards an electric vehicle, subsidised from a tax on new ICE vehicles.
That said, I don’t believe in this blocking your average person. The protests should be inconveniencing ministers, outside corporation buildings.
Its far too hot to be worrying about climate change today, let’s fix it later
i wonder if this is how groups become radical/terror groups. People ask nicely first, pleadingly next, desperately second to last, then they will stop asking. now im on a list
As well-intentioned such movements might be, that demand to “just do something” trivializes the very real problems “just doing it” would result in.
Like “[just stop using the stuff that drives most of a modern economy](https://www.energy.gov/sites/prod/files/2019/11/f68/Products%20Made%20From%20Oil%20and%20Natural%20Gas%20Infographic.pdf)”, without even *trying* to offer a replacement.
One has to wonder how much of that has to do with the very common misconception that fossil fuels are only used as an electricity fuel, and not as resources for a myriad of quite important things like aspirin and fertilizer?
And no, I’m not arguing how fossil fuels are irreplaceable, I’m merely pointing out that we actually need something to replace them, we can’t just “wish them away” and expect that will just magically fix all the problems.
As much as I like driving I say good. I honestly want protestors causing as much disruption as they possibly can.
Whilst the protests are obviously campaigning for the correct thing and I support their cause 100% they are never going to get widespread support when the people they need support from are the same people they are inconveniencing. They need to disrupt the lives of politicians, the CEOs of big corporations etc.