Is there currently a ban on Brazilian beef into the EU? Also his also a racist shit stirrer.
Please, not that gobshite. He thinks Bill Gates has something to do with Corona as well.
Anybody else.
We export most of it anyway I think.
Can’t see any sense in culling herds in Europe the slack is obviously just coming from elsewhere. If you want less beef in the world encourage more people to eat plant based products or bugs or some shoite.
Though the two meat free Kiev’s I had earlier leave a lot to be desired.
Given who’s saying it, I’d nearly presume not.
At a glance, he’s started out with what could be charitably called a half-truth – the “National Herd” is “culled” all the time. Beef cattle are raised *for* slaughter. To reduce the “National Herd”, all you’d have to do is stop paying farmers to replace them with more.
The only sources I can find for this figure at a glance are the Farmers Journal (which is The Telegraph for Farmers) and that Gript pile of shite.
Now I don’t know what the best option is, there is seemingly solid reasoning for both, but we need to get real about the emergencies we’re staring down the barrel of. What is the objective analysis figures and all, of what the least carbon heavy option is between reducing the number of animals or maintaining it?
Whether we import beef depends on how much we, mainly non farmers eat.
Please explain why we would need to import Brazilian beef even if we were to reduce our national herd. We are the largest beef exporter in Europe and the 5th largest in the world. You’re telling me we couldn’t just consume some of that beef ourselves?
In any case, i am suck and tired of “why should we do anything if x won’t?” arguments. How would anything good in the world ever happen if we all thought like that all the time. We make change in other countries by penalising their exports, so they don’t have a market.
From the Mercosur deal agreed between Brazil & the EU a few years back:
>Under the agreement, the EU will allow 99,000 tonnes of beef (55% of which is for “fresh”, high quality beef, and
the remaining 45% for “frozen” beef) to enter its market with a 7.5% duty. This represents 1.2% of the total European beef consumption (8 million tonnes every
year). It will take 5 years until this amount is reached. This gradual phasing in period will provide the necessary time for European beef producers to adjust to the new market
reality.
>It is expected that, rather than creating an equivalent increase in imports, one of the effects of the new quota for “fresh” beef will be to replace some of the imports that
are already taking place. In addition, the agreed amounts will not lead to a significant increase in production on the Mercosur side.
Brazil alone already produces 11 million tonnes of beef every year and the agreed quota of 99,000 tonnes will still be split among the four countries.
Lastly, if Brazil are already planning on increasing their national herd and we haven’t made any plans to decrease our national herd, it’s pretty fucking obvious that they aren’t doing that to replace ‘our’ cattle.
He missed the part where it will make all food more expensive, not just meat. When you restrict access to a commodity, demand for its alternatives rise, inflating the price.
The it won’t be good for people already on the bread line. Especially since food prices have already gone up with the increased fuel prices.
Stop posting this fella, he’s a classic US style conservative grifter with no fixed principles.
By the way, he went to my school, his nickname was ‘johnny arse’
It’s simplistic nonsense of course. The meat from Brazil will be both inferior quality and more expensive.
The goal here is not to outsource our beef production but to reduce our consumption.
One, he’s a wagyu grade gobshite with awful takes across a wide range of issues. He’s a failed political wannabe that swerved hard to the right and it’s worked out really badly
Second, I’ve never seen so much whataboutism as about climate change and the national herd. It’s always a two step process, developed countries have to reduce their own emissions and then put pressure on the developing nations. Nobody has to buy Brazilian beef, don’t import it into Europe. They get the message eventually.
What we can’t do though is say well I’m not going to bother changing my own behaviour because India, China and Brazil don’t care about climate issues. Somebody has to take a stand
We have to train out cattle so they can take those Brazilians on a 1 to 4 fight and win
Essentially nothing John McGuirk says is true.
First off – no farmer is going to be forced to ‘cull’ any cows, or cut their herd numbers.
Second – i can not find any source which backs up this ‘fact’ about Brazil, I remember reading about in in the Farmers Journal, but it was a speculative article with no decent proof and also, the IFA have the journal in their pockets.
Third – the majority of our meat is exported. If farmers choose to produce less, then it’s up to consumers to buy Irish meat, so supermarkets keep buying it, if the demand for Irish beef is high, there is plenty to go around the country. Consumers may need to pay slightly more.
The reality here is the IFA are the biggest lobbying group in the country. They run an incredibly successful propaganda campaign, but, let me tell you, they don’t give two shits about ‘family farms’, they care about the industrial farms – who give them tons of money to lobby the gov – who will probably lose a bit of profit because of this.
Sincerely, a very pissed off 5th gen. farmer who cares about the climate. And hates the way the IFA are making farmers look like selfish, greedy b*****ds
Ps. John McGuirk is a right wing loony. Don’t take his word for anything
The entire thing is bullshit and built on bad (paid for) science
With the post war CAP people have a jaded view of what food should cost
Please don’t use John McGuirk as your source of information. If he said the sky was blue, I’d go out and check myself just to be sure.
Farmers son here. He’s talking bullocks.
We largely breed beef cattle for export, the scenario he’s talking about wouldn’t happen.
Personally, I’m for cutting emissions. The EU should bring back quotas for beef and dairy. And import caps to match. However we also need a back up employment plan for workers connected to agriculture. It’s a fine thing to pay a farmer to be a custodian of nature or whatever, but the people who were selling him goods and services, we need something they can work at too.
I also think there should be a carbon tax on any imports from outside the EU, where the local production is curtailed to reduce emissions. Otherwise we’re just making fools of ourselves.
Loves himself a bit, doesn’t he?
Johnny arse at it again. He’s always been a tit
Take this with a grain of salt. I just spent 16 days driving nearly 2000km through the southern half of Ireland with a large animal Veterinarian. We noticed significantly more dairy cattle than beef cattle. Brazil primarily raises beef cattle. Maybe this is different north of the m6 but this was our observation.
Feels like we learn nothing. We closed energy plants without an alternative plan rather than rely on outside resources and we can see how that went. We now want to reduce food security which we are good at without an alternative plan. Seems naiive to me.
Then maybe Brazil should also stop doing that? 🤔🤔🤔 Maybe we should pressure Brazil harder to stop annihilating the Amazon as fast as it can?
I really dislike how everyone talks about beef production on an Irish scale alone and always mention us being an exporter (that’s very obvious).
We produce beef for Europe, that’s our common market and the only market that matters when it comes to food security.
should be noted that John McGuirk is, and i mean this in the most polite way possible, a complete fucking idiot
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Is there currently a ban on Brazilian beef into the EU? Also his also a racist shit stirrer.
Please, not that gobshite. He thinks Bill Gates has something to do with Corona as well.
Anybody else.
We export most of it anyway I think.
Can’t see any sense in culling herds in Europe the slack is obviously just coming from elsewhere. If you want less beef in the world encourage more people to eat plant based products or bugs or some shoite.
Though the two meat free Kiev’s I had earlier leave a lot to be desired.
Given who’s saying it, I’d nearly presume not.
At a glance, he’s started out with what could be charitably called a half-truth – the “National Herd” is “culled” all the time. Beef cattle are raised *for* slaughter. To reduce the “National Herd”, all you’d have to do is stop paying farmers to replace them with more.
The only sources I can find for this figure at a glance are the Farmers Journal (which is The Telegraph for Farmers) and that Gript pile of shite.
Now I don’t know what the best option is, there is seemingly solid reasoning for both, but we need to get real about the emergencies we’re staring down the barrel of. What is the objective analysis figures and all, of what the least carbon heavy option is between reducing the number of animals or maintaining it?
Whether we import beef depends on how much we, mainly non farmers eat.
Please explain why we would need to import Brazilian beef even if we were to reduce our national herd. We are the largest beef exporter in Europe and the 5th largest in the world. You’re telling me we couldn’t just consume some of that beef ourselves?
In any case, i am suck and tired of “why should we do anything if x won’t?” arguments. How would anything good in the world ever happen if we all thought like that all the time. We make change in other countries by penalising their exports, so they don’t have a market.
From the Mercosur deal agreed between Brazil & the EU a few years back:
>Under the agreement, the EU will allow 99,000 tonnes of beef (55% of which is for “fresh”, high quality beef, and
the remaining 45% for “frozen” beef) to enter its market with a 7.5% duty. This represents 1.2% of the total European beef consumption (8 million tonnes every
year). It will take 5 years until this amount is reached. This gradual phasing in period will provide the necessary time for European beef producers to adjust to the new market
reality.
>It is expected that, rather than creating an equivalent increase in imports, one of the effects of the new quota for “fresh” beef will be to replace some of the imports that
are already taking place. In addition, the agreed amounts will not lead to a significant increase in production on the Mercosur side.
Brazil alone already produces 11 million tonnes of beef every year and the agreed quota of 99,000 tonnes will still be split among the four countries.
You can also see how irrelevant the EU is to Brazil’s beef exports here https://projectblue.blob.core.windows.net/media/Default/Market%20Intelligence/beef/MS/CSW%202022/06%20June/q1%20brazil%20beef.png
Lastly, if Brazil are already planning on increasing their national herd and we haven’t made any plans to decrease our national herd, it’s pretty fucking obvious that they aren’t doing that to replace ‘our’ cattle.
He missed the part where it will make all food more expensive, not just meat. When you restrict access to a commodity, demand for its alternatives rise, inflating the price.
The it won’t be good for people already on the bread line. Especially since food prices have already gone up with the increased fuel prices.
Stop posting this fella, he’s a classic US style conservative grifter with no fixed principles.
By the way, he went to my school, his nickname was ‘johnny arse’
It’s simplistic nonsense of course. The meat from Brazil will be both inferior quality and more expensive.
The goal here is not to outsource our beef production but to reduce our consumption.
One, he’s a wagyu grade gobshite with awful takes across a wide range of issues. He’s a failed political wannabe that swerved hard to the right and it’s worked out really badly
Second, I’ve never seen so much whataboutism as about climate change and the national herd. It’s always a two step process, developed countries have to reduce their own emissions and then put pressure on the developing nations. Nobody has to buy Brazilian beef, don’t import it into Europe. They get the message eventually.
What we can’t do though is say well I’m not going to bother changing my own behaviour because India, China and Brazil don’t care about climate issues. Somebody has to take a stand
We have to train out cattle so they can take those Brazilians on a 1 to 4 fight and win
Essentially nothing John McGuirk says is true.
First off – no farmer is going to be forced to ‘cull’ any cows, or cut their herd numbers.
Second – i can not find any source which backs up this ‘fact’ about Brazil, I remember reading about in in the Farmers Journal, but it was a speculative article with no decent proof and also, the IFA have the journal in their pockets.
Third – the majority of our meat is exported. If farmers choose to produce less, then it’s up to consumers to buy Irish meat, so supermarkets keep buying it, if the demand for Irish beef is high, there is plenty to go around the country. Consumers may need to pay slightly more.
The reality here is the IFA are the biggest lobbying group in the country. They run an incredibly successful propaganda campaign, but, let me tell you, they don’t give two shits about ‘family farms’, they care about the industrial farms – who give them tons of money to lobby the gov – who will probably lose a bit of profit because of this.
Sincerely, a very pissed off 5th gen. farmer who cares about the climate. And hates the way the IFA are making farmers look like selfish, greedy b*****ds
Ps. John McGuirk is a right wing loony. Don’t take his word for anything
The entire thing is bullshit and built on bad (paid for) science
With the post war CAP people have a jaded view of what food should cost
Please don’t use John McGuirk as your source of information. If he said the sky was blue, I’d go out and check myself just to be sure.
Farmers son here. He’s talking bullocks.
We largely breed beef cattle for export, the scenario he’s talking about wouldn’t happen.
Personally, I’m for cutting emissions. The EU should bring back quotas for beef and dairy. And import caps to match. However we also need a back up employment plan for workers connected to agriculture. It’s a fine thing to pay a farmer to be a custodian of nature or whatever, but the people who were selling him goods and services, we need something they can work at too.
I also think there should be a carbon tax on any imports from outside the EU, where the local production is curtailed to reduce emissions. Otherwise we’re just making fools of ourselves.
Loves himself a bit, doesn’t he?
Johnny arse at it again. He’s always been a tit
Take this with a grain of salt. I just spent 16 days driving nearly 2000km through the southern half of Ireland with a large animal Veterinarian. We noticed significantly more dairy cattle than beef cattle. Brazil primarily raises beef cattle. Maybe this is different north of the m6 but this was our observation.
Feels like we learn nothing. We closed energy plants without an alternative plan rather than rely on outside resources and we can see how that went. We now want to reduce food security which we are good at without an alternative plan. Seems naiive to me.
Then maybe Brazil should also stop doing that? 🤔🤔🤔 Maybe we should pressure Brazil harder to stop annihilating the Amazon as fast as it can?
I really dislike how everyone talks about beef production on an Irish scale alone and always mention us being an exporter (that’s very obvious).
We produce beef for Europe, that’s our common market and the only market that matters when it comes to food security.
should be noted that John McGuirk is, and i mean this in the most polite way possible, a complete fucking idiot