Mother is already threatening to be “an asshole” on Monday, despite the hospital being extremely gentle with her. Her grief and denial is escalating and wouldn’t be surprised if they don’t allow her in the room.
It’s the right thing to do for Archie.
I read the court papers, his brain is collapsing into his spinal cord, there is no blood flow, and his organs are dying… What mother would really want that for their son.
Equally after reading the court papers there is a real chance that Archie was committing suicide…
One crucial piece of evidence supporting this is that normally when people do these challenges they record themselves… There was nothing found with Archie… Combine that with him being troubled after his parents split, had to be home schooled for two years because no school would take him.. His mum had to fight the LEA to get him a placement… Suicide seems a plausible motive.
The mother has lied about Archie showing signs of breathing.. She wants him to die naturally is the new claim… Hooked up to machines is not a natural death…
She keeps talking about Archies rights… But doesn’t he have the right to die in peace and with dignity?
She has only changed tack because of the mounting medical evidence…
It was his mum who refused the basic brain stem tests on Archie… Which is why the hospital were unable to carry them out properly… She did this so she could fight the machine being turned off.
She approached extreme religious organisations to help with her fight.
My empathy for the mother has worn thin… What mum would put their own child through what his body is going through?
As hard as it would be to turn the machine off there’s no way I would let my child’s body suffer the way she is wanting Archie’s to suffer. The only saving grace is he can’t feel pain.. Equally, he can’t feel love or comfort.
There’s a point where you need to do what’s right for the mum and dad… they’re obviously suffering so much themselves and clinging onto false hope and it’s just not healthy for them to do that
A short and troubled life. Just sad all round.
But the poor lad is dead; torturing his corpse helps no one.
Sadly, I expect a heavy police presence may be necessary as people will try to protest this under the misguided belief that the doctors are wrong.
I could be wrong on this one, but my passing low-resolution estimation is that it’s a case of parents who can’t quite give up on a lost cause. Tragic, understandable, and probably the right thing to do. I don’t think I would want to be a well-irrigated corpse, better to die.
Normally in cases that end up in court like this you hear about hospitals in places like Italy or the US offering to treat the person. But that has not happened this time really, has it?
Because the people in those other cases were still alive.
There are no winners in this situation least of all Archie.
My heart breaks for the medical staff who have had to fight so hard to be able to give him a death with dignity and for his parents who have been led down a road that promised a hope that was never there in reality.
I hope for Archie’s sake they let him go peacefully and mourn him with decency.
“I think we should let him die a natural death.”
“OK sure, we’ll just turn off these machines that are artificially prolonging his life.”
“No, not like that.”
Should have to repay all the tax payers money wasted keeping him alive and all the states legal fees. Money could have been used to help those that actually need it
I do not believe parents should have the right to keep children artificially alive for their own benefit. We need much stricter laws on this, just because you have a child you do not have sole duty for it. They are still a human with a right to decency.
Very good news, just hope the mother doesnt try and do anything stupid
So very sad , I’m a retired paramedic and have seen people with a guilt complex try this . I know that the staff caring for the poor boy will have problems . They do their best to make him as comfortable as possible, knowing that, although he should die a dignified death, his parents are preventing this , they are vilifying the wonderful hospital staff.
There will be floods of tears shed by them. Please if you are religious, pray for the boy and them, if you aren’t, please, think of them.
What a sad and tragic story that went on far too long because legal fuckfaces were willing to drag out a mother’s grief and desperation to earn some more, against the sound advice of the only medical minds in the whole debacle.
Jesus Christ, someone should have just gone in and unplugged it all ages ago this is ridiculous
Mail are now reporting that it’s back in the High Court
She still claims that the UN gave them an injunction
Such a deeply traumatising case for everyone involved. I really feel for not only the medical staff but all the legal people involved as well. I can’t imagine having to argue this stuff in court.
I’ve also seen up close the incredible lengths the NHS goes to for children.
A sad, and terrible situation.The mother appears to be a very disturbed and emotionally labile woman, regardless of the present case. I suspect that Archie did not have the happiest of lives, and wonder if guilt plays a part here.
As a retired intensive care sister, I know how much care and dedication is given by staff, who strive their utmost to save lives. It is gruelling work, and requires a certain type of person to cope with the workload, and the emotional demands. Great care is taken to support families, and the patient is never viewed as anything other than a beloved human being. Sadly, sometimes, it becomes clear that recovery is not going to happen, and, that effectively the person is dead. The ventilator gives the illusion of life, but as the organs begin to shut down, and basically die off, at that point, life really has departed, and a corpse is left and slow decay begins.
These decisions are never made lightly, despite claims made by people who have no medical knowledge. All staff who care for the patient are involved.
I hope that his parents change their position, and eventually find peace.
Here is the hard, unpleasant truth: They should just pull the plug already.
The kid is long-dead by every measure that counts (by his own hand from some stupid TikTok challenge involving asphyxiation, rumour has it) and his lifeless body is taking up a hospital bed and staff capacity that someone who actually has a chance of returning to the land of the living sorely needs.
The health system is on its knees and there is no room whatsoever for assuaging the guilt of his basket-case parents (don’t be mistaken – this was always about them, not the kid) any longer.
I wonder why he supposedly killed himself… his mother seems so collected and reasonable
I genuinely think there needs to be an investigation into that family, a child taking their own life and a mother who’s this unhinged seems too much to be a coincidence
The UN backed by the government are now supporting another attempt to keep this poor kid “alive”.
Honest question, can’t seem to find a straight answer, what actually happened to the kid?
This is behind a paywall and I’m an out of the loop ex-pat – what’s the whole story and how did he end up in hospital? One commenter here said failed suicide attempt or some kind of viral ‘challenge’??
12-year-old boys, generally, do not hang themselves. They don’t. I’ve been a 12-year-old boy. You think you’re immortal, you think the summer will last forever, you think a bike ride to the other side of the canal is a great quest to a far-off field. You’re old enough to be thinking for yourself, but not yet trusted with responsibilities. It’s a great time to be alive.
When a 12-year-old lad who was not, by all accounts, untalented chooses to hang himself (one of the worst forms of death when done improperly) then there is something VERY wrong at home.
And that is what his mother does not want to face.
But she will have to. In court. At the inquest.
Rather like Denise Bulger / Fergus, the mother here is being very selective in what she says to the mass media.
Do you think she was a bit um stubborn when he decided to do what he did? It’s a horrendous case right from the beginning Poor little man.
God. It’s like that other case a couple of years ago where people where protesting outside Alder Hey Hospital and giving the staff abuse. I can almost understand the mother behaving like this but all the “army”?? Are they that vitriolic to the staff when it’s their turn in the hospital?
The lad hanged himself. The parents are in denial.
>>wants to let God decide when he dies
>>hooked up to every machine known to man.
Ok
Does anyone know why the doctors keep saying “there is a very low chance he’ll recover” because it seems like that’s why the parents (and lots of the general public) are clinging onto that hope. If he’s brain dead and his organs are necrotic why not just say there’s 0 chance he’ll recover?
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Mother is already threatening to be “an asshole” on Monday, despite the hospital being extremely gentle with her. Her grief and denial is escalating and wouldn’t be surprised if they don’t allow her in the room.
It’s the right thing to do for Archie.
I read the court papers, his brain is collapsing into his spinal cord, there is no blood flow, and his organs are dying… What mother would really want that for their son.
Equally after reading the court papers there is a real chance that Archie was committing suicide…
One crucial piece of evidence supporting this is that normally when people do these challenges they record themselves… There was nothing found with Archie… Combine that with him being troubled after his parents split, had to be home schooled for two years because no school would take him.. His mum had to fight the LEA to get him a placement… Suicide seems a plausible motive.
The mother has lied about Archie showing signs of breathing.. She wants him to die naturally is the new claim… Hooked up to machines is not a natural death…
She keeps talking about Archies rights… But doesn’t he have the right to die in peace and with dignity?
She has only changed tack because of the mounting medical evidence…
It was his mum who refused the basic brain stem tests on Archie… Which is why the hospital were unable to carry them out properly… She did this so she could fight the machine being turned off.
She approached extreme religious organisations to help with her fight.
My empathy for the mother has worn thin… What mum would put their own child through what his body is going through?
As hard as it would be to turn the machine off there’s no way I would let my child’s body suffer the way she is wanting Archie’s to suffer. The only saving grace is he can’t feel pain.. Equally, he can’t feel love or comfort.
There’s a point where you need to do what’s right for the mum and dad… they’re obviously suffering so much themselves and clinging onto false hope and it’s just not healthy for them to do that
A short and troubled life. Just sad all round.
But the poor lad is dead; torturing his corpse helps no one.
Sadly, I expect a heavy police presence may be necessary as people will try to protest this under the misguided belief that the doctors are wrong.
I could be wrong on this one, but my passing low-resolution estimation is that it’s a case of parents who can’t quite give up on a lost cause. Tragic, understandable, and probably the right thing to do. I don’t think I would want to be a well-irrigated corpse, better to die.
Normally in cases that end up in court like this you hear about hospitals in places like Italy or the US offering to treat the person. But that has not happened this time really, has it?
Because the people in those other cases were still alive.
There are no winners in this situation least of all Archie.
My heart breaks for the medical staff who have had to fight so hard to be able to give him a death with dignity and for his parents who have been led down a road that promised a hope that was never there in reality.
I hope for Archie’s sake they let him go peacefully and mourn him with decency.
“I think we should let him die a natural death.”
“OK sure, we’ll just turn off these machines that are artificially prolonging his life.”
“No, not like that.”
Should have to repay all the tax payers money wasted keeping him alive and all the states legal fees. Money could have been used to help those that actually need it
I do not believe parents should have the right to keep children artificially alive for their own benefit. We need much stricter laws on this, just because you have a child you do not have sole duty for it. They are still a human with a right to decency.
Very good news, just hope the mother doesnt try and do anything stupid
So very sad , I’m a retired paramedic and have seen people with a guilt complex try this . I know that the staff caring for the poor boy will have problems . They do their best to make him as comfortable as possible, knowing that, although he should die a dignified death, his parents are preventing this , they are vilifying the wonderful hospital staff.
There will be floods of tears shed by them. Please if you are religious, pray for the boy and them, if you aren’t, please, think of them.
What a sad and tragic story that went on far too long because legal fuckfaces were willing to drag out a mother’s grief and desperation to earn some more, against the sound advice of the only medical minds in the whole debacle.
Jesus Christ, someone should have just gone in and unplugged it all ages ago this is ridiculous
Mail are now reporting that it’s back in the High Court
[Archie Battersbee case is sent BACK to High Court for ‘urgent consideration’ following UN intervention – as life support treatment is set to end at 2pm tomorrow](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11066763/Archie-Battersbee-case-sent-High-Court-life-support-treatment-set-end-tomorrow.html)
She still claims that the UN gave them an injunction
Such a deeply traumatising case for everyone involved. I really feel for not only the medical staff but all the legal people involved as well. I can’t imagine having to argue this stuff in court.
I’ve also seen up close the incredible lengths the NHS goes to for children.
A sad, and terrible situation.The mother appears to be a very disturbed and emotionally labile woman, regardless of the present case. I suspect that Archie did not have the happiest of lives, and wonder if guilt plays a part here.
As a retired intensive care sister, I know how much care and dedication is given by staff, who strive their utmost to save lives. It is gruelling work, and requires a certain type of person to cope with the workload, and the emotional demands. Great care is taken to support families, and the patient is never viewed as anything other than a beloved human being. Sadly, sometimes, it becomes clear that recovery is not going to happen, and, that effectively the person is dead. The ventilator gives the illusion of life, but as the organs begin to shut down, and basically die off, at that point, life really has departed, and a corpse is left and slow decay begins.
These decisions are never made lightly, despite claims made by people who have no medical knowledge. All staff who care for the patient are involved.
I hope that his parents change their position, and eventually find peace.
Here is the hard, unpleasant truth: They should just pull the plug already.
The kid is long-dead by every measure that counts (by his own hand from some stupid TikTok challenge involving asphyxiation, rumour has it) and his lifeless body is taking up a hospital bed and staff capacity that someone who actually has a chance of returning to the land of the living sorely needs.
The health system is on its knees and there is no room whatsoever for assuaging the guilt of his basket-case parents (don’t be mistaken – this was always about them, not the kid) any longer.
I wonder why he supposedly killed himself… his mother seems so collected and reasonable
I genuinely think there needs to be an investigation into that family, a child taking their own life and a mother who’s this unhinged seems too much to be a coincidence
The UN backed by the government are now supporting another attempt to keep this poor kid “alive”.
Honest question, can’t seem to find a straight answer, what actually happened to the kid?
This is behind a paywall and I’m an out of the loop ex-pat – what’s the whole story and how did he end up in hospital? One commenter here said failed suicide attempt or some kind of viral ‘challenge’??
12-year-old boys, generally, do not hang themselves. They don’t. I’ve been a 12-year-old boy. You think you’re immortal, you think the summer will last forever, you think a bike ride to the other side of the canal is a great quest to a far-off field. You’re old enough to be thinking for yourself, but not yet trusted with responsibilities. It’s a great time to be alive.
When a 12-year-old lad who was not, by all accounts, untalented chooses to hang himself (one of the worst forms of death when done improperly) then there is something VERY wrong at home.
And that is what his mother does not want to face.
But she will have to. In court. At the inquest.
Rather like Denise Bulger / Fergus, the mother here is being very selective in what she says to the mass media.
Do you think she was a bit um stubborn when he decided to do what he did? It’s a horrendous case right from the beginning Poor little man.
God. It’s like that other case a couple of years ago where people where protesting outside Alder Hey Hospital and giving the staff abuse. I can almost understand the mother behaving like this but all the “army”?? Are they that vitriolic to the staff when it’s their turn in the hospital?
The lad hanged himself. The parents are in denial.
>>wants to let God decide when he dies
>>hooked up to every machine known to man.
Ok
Does anyone know why the doctors keep saying “there is a very low chance he’ll recover” because it seems like that’s why the parents (and lots of the general public) are clinging onto that hope. If he’s brain dead and his organs are necrotic why not just say there’s 0 chance he’ll recover?