Just let the poor kid die with dignity for fucks sake.
Question for legal and/or medical professionals:
Is this case likely to impact future cases of people in similar situations? Or how we declare people dead?
I’m not sure how the right to equal rights applies in this scenario.
Medically he cannot live on his own, it’s sad the kids legacy will be for parents with misplaced beliefs.
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– if kept alive it should be private medicine and not paid by the NHS. Or the family billed and they can fund raise to pay for it if they want.
– the boy is brain dead.
– the boy is not disabled, but the family keeps making that argument.
In the court documents they deduced that he scored a 3 on the GCS (Glasgow Coma Scale), the lowest possible score indicating no motor response, no verbal or eye function whatsoever. What they are doing to this poor child is absolutely horrific and I can’t imagine how emotionally taxing it is for the hospital staff to witness it whilst dealing with the threats and harrasment.
He’s wasting away from malnourishment because his organs are failing, no longer able to absord food and nutrients. He’s on a ventilator with no sedation, because any pain response or sensation is impossible with a brain dead at the stem and collapsing into the spinal cord. Every single means of survival is artificially managed. Why can’t they just let him finally rest properly with dignity?
I thought the U.K. Gov hated external interference of this sort…
This whole saga is just plain sad. Poor Archie will never regain consciousness (my mother died after a brain haemorrhage and was pronounced brain stem dead) and while as a father I can sympathise with the mother for the grief she must going through I can certainly see in later years she is going to greatly regret what she has done. This poor lads best interest now would be to let him peacefully pass away and begin the grieve properly.
It’s also disgusting how this Christin group are pushing this mother to go to frankly bizarre and extreme measures to keep his poor and dying body alive to what end.
The government is supposed to run the country, not interfere in medical decisions, and what on earth has it to do with the U.N.? This is beyond ridiculous now, and, having previously posted about this ( as a retired former intensive care sister), perhaps it is time to really spell it out that this poor boy, is actually dead, and his body is decaying. His bodily processes have ceased, and the ventilator is pushing air into dead lungs, making his chest rise and fall, in a simulation of life. It is over. What an undignified, horrific case.
He’s not in there any more. He’s gone.
It’s time to let him go with dignity.
The government haven’t actually backed anything. They’ve acknowledged the request from the UN and passed it back to the court to deal with.
“The anxiety of being told that Archie’s life support will be removed tomorrow at 2pm has been horrific. We are already broken and the not knowing what was going to happen next is excruciating.”
No Hollie. You knew exactly what was going to happen next, but instead of letting your boy die in peace and with dignity, this monstrous shitshow gets to continue.
There is no possibility of “saving her sons life”. There has been no blood in his brain for at least a month. Brain death usually occurs after about 10-15 minutes without blood. All the evidence suggests that he is brain dead. The government have delayed the withdrawal of life support systems until the UN team can assess the evidence but, barring a literal miracle, they will also find that he is brain dead, and support should be withdrawn.
There is no reason for this to be a rolling national news story. It’s a largely personal and private tragedy with some relevance to the medical community in terms of approaches to life support withdrawal procedures. The media is using the highly emotive nature of children dying tragic deaths to drum up a story and bring about conflict. This woman should not be speaking on national news every day. These bullshit, misinformation-spreading religous campaigns should not be amplified. The framing of the story is completely irresponsible and it is making it more difficult for doctors and nurses to do their jobs, and placing them at risk of harm (c.f. Alfie Evans’ story, when medical staff were hounded and abused). Think about the job that these people are doing—literally working every day to save and ease the lives of sick and dying children. Can you imagine the emotional toll that kind of work takes on a person? Are there any people more worthy of respect anywhere in the world? Archie, thankfully, is not suffering any more, he’s dead, but the way his death is being used by the vultures around this story is an absolute disgrace.
Fuck’s sake, it’s obvious this poor boy has been gone for a long time now. Why are yet more people sticking their noses in? If the reporting on this story was less soft-touch and more brutally accurate, very few people would back dragging this out any further.
“The UN’s Committee on the Rights of Persons With Disabilities had asked the UK government to stop Archie’s life support being withdrawn until it had the chance to review the case.
The government’s legal advisers then asked the High Court to “urgently consider” the UN request.”
Headline is very very misleading. The parents legal team submitted a letter to the UN Disabilities Committee asking them to hear their case claiming that Archie was being discriminated against by his Doctors and the UK courts.
All that the UN has requested is that *whilst they decide whether or not to hear the case* that the ending of Archie’s treatment be postponed. Obviously the government has passed on that request to the Court of Appeal because they’re hardly going to defy the UN of all places.
What I don’t understand, having paid close attention to Alfie Evans and Charlie Gard (but admittedly not this case) is this: if he is ‘basically dead’, why don’t the hospital call his time of death? They don’t have to treat someone who’s deceased. What is this ‘he’s kind of dead, but kind of not’ stuff about?
If he really is dead and is decaying, but the hospital is not allowed to declare him dead it’s time they look at the laws or regulations around what it actually takes to declare someone dead, or this is going to keep happening. Feels like there’s one every year.
This seems like a lose-lose situation for the government to be publicly declaring their support to intervene in stopping this poor child’s life support.
I’m sure the opponents of the government can use it against them either way, by writing articles in their sensationalist press outlets like:
“This just in! The government wants to prolong tragic boys suffering for their own sick amusement!”
Or if the government refused to publicly declare their support for the poor boy, they’d write;
“The silence from the government is loud and clear, they want sickly children to be killed!”
And I wouldn’t put it past any of the trashy rags to write articles just like that.
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Just let the poor kid die with dignity for fucks sake.
Question for legal and/or medical professionals:
Is this case likely to impact future cases of people in similar situations? Or how we declare people dead?
I’m not sure how the right to equal rights applies in this scenario.
Medically he cannot live on his own, it’s sad the kids legacy will be for parents with misplaced beliefs.
[removed]
– if kept alive it should be private medicine and not paid by the NHS. Or the family billed and they can fund raise to pay for it if they want.
– the boy is brain dead.
– the boy is not disabled, but the family keeps making that argument.
In the court documents they deduced that he scored a 3 on the GCS (Glasgow Coma Scale), the lowest possible score indicating no motor response, no verbal or eye function whatsoever. What they are doing to this poor child is absolutely horrific and I can’t imagine how emotionally taxing it is for the hospital staff to witness it whilst dealing with the threats and harrasment.
He’s wasting away from malnourishment because his organs are failing, no longer able to absord food and nutrients. He’s on a ventilator with no sedation, because any pain response or sensation is impossible with a brain dead at the stem and collapsing into the spinal cord. Every single means of survival is artificially managed. Why can’t they just let him finally rest properly with dignity?
I thought the U.K. Gov hated external interference of this sort…
This whole saga is just plain sad. Poor Archie will never regain consciousness (my mother died after a brain haemorrhage and was pronounced brain stem dead) and while as a father I can sympathise with the mother for the grief she must going through I can certainly see in later years she is going to greatly regret what she has done. This poor lads best interest now would be to let him peacefully pass away and begin the grieve properly.
It’s also disgusting how this Christin group are pushing this mother to go to frankly bizarre and extreme measures to keep his poor and dying body alive to what end.
The government is supposed to run the country, not interfere in medical decisions, and what on earth has it to do with the U.N.? This is beyond ridiculous now, and, having previously posted about this ( as a retired former intensive care sister), perhaps it is time to really spell it out that this poor boy, is actually dead, and his body is decaying. His bodily processes have ceased, and the ventilator is pushing air into dead lungs, making his chest rise and fall, in a simulation of life. It is over. What an undignified, horrific case.
He’s not in there any more. He’s gone.
It’s time to let him go with dignity.
The government haven’t actually backed anything. They’ve acknowledged the request from the UN and passed it back to the court to deal with.
“The anxiety of being told that Archie’s life support will be removed tomorrow at 2pm has been horrific. We are already broken and the not knowing what was going to happen next is excruciating.”
No Hollie. You knew exactly what was going to happen next, but instead of letting your boy die in peace and with dignity, this monstrous shitshow gets to continue.
There is no possibility of “saving her sons life”. There has been no blood in his brain for at least a month. Brain death usually occurs after about 10-15 minutes without blood. All the evidence suggests that he is brain dead. The government have delayed the withdrawal of life support systems until the UN team can assess the evidence but, barring a literal miracle, they will also find that he is brain dead, and support should be withdrawn.
There is no reason for this to be a rolling national news story. It’s a largely personal and private tragedy with some relevance to the medical community in terms of approaches to life support withdrawal procedures. The media is using the highly emotive nature of children dying tragic deaths to drum up a story and bring about conflict. This woman should not be speaking on national news every day. These bullshit, misinformation-spreading religous campaigns should not be amplified. The framing of the story is completely irresponsible and it is making it more difficult for doctors and nurses to do their jobs, and placing them at risk of harm (c.f. Alfie Evans’ story, when medical staff were hounded and abused). Think about the job that these people are doing—literally working every day to save and ease the lives of sick and dying children. Can you imagine the emotional toll that kind of work takes on a person? Are there any people more worthy of respect anywhere in the world? Archie, thankfully, is not suffering any more, he’s dead, but the way his death is being used by the vultures around this story is an absolute disgrace.
Fuck’s sake, it’s obvious this poor boy has been gone for a long time now. Why are yet more people sticking their noses in? If the reporting on this story was less soft-touch and more brutally accurate, very few people would back dragging this out any further.
“The UN’s Committee on the Rights of Persons With Disabilities had asked the UK government to stop Archie’s life support being withdrawn until it had the chance to review the case.
The government’s legal advisers then asked the High Court to “urgently consider” the UN request.”
Headline is very very misleading. The parents legal team submitted a letter to the UN Disabilities Committee asking them to hear their case claiming that Archie was being discriminated against by his Doctors and the UK courts.
All that the UN has requested is that *whilst they decide whether or not to hear the case* that the ending of Archie’s treatment be postponed. Obviously the government has passed on that request to the Court of Appeal because they’re hardly going to defy the UN of all places.
What I don’t understand, having paid close attention to Alfie Evans and Charlie Gard (but admittedly not this case) is this: if he is ‘basically dead’, why don’t the hospital call his time of death? They don’t have to treat someone who’s deceased. What is this ‘he’s kind of dead, but kind of not’ stuff about?
If he really is dead and is decaying, but the hospital is not allowed to declare him dead it’s time they look at the laws or regulations around what it actually takes to declare someone dead, or this is going to keep happening. Feels like there’s one every year.
This seems like a lose-lose situation for the government to be publicly declaring their support to intervene in stopping this poor child’s life support.
I’m sure the opponents of the government can use it against them either way, by writing articles in their sensationalist press outlets like:
“This just in! The government wants to prolong tragic boys suffering for their own sick amusement!”
Or if the government refused to publicly declare their support for the poor boy, they’d write;
“The silence from the government is loud and clear, they want sickly children to be killed!”
And I wouldn’t put it past any of the trashy rags to write articles just like that.