But he was sacked for making up policy on the fly on camera.
If you just started making shit up at a board presentation I am sure your boss may have something to say about it
Get on John – this dude should be leading the Labour Party, not Keith and his neoliberal buddies.
The problem is that the Tories have decided there is no answer to economic problems *removing the protections we have in place now* and further tanking the economy, quality of life, working conditions and everything else in their quest for a subjugated and scared electorate, and in Starmer’s quest for “electability” he is destroying everything of value that Labour represents.
What he doesn’t realise is you can’t win the electability game – the only way to be electable to the group it appeals to is to pin a blue badge to your lapel, or a bit of good old fashioned fascism.
So now we have this – a rightwing Labour Party punishing MPs for doing what they ought to be doing themselves.
The whole fucking party is an absolute joke, Blair destroyed any notion that Labour was a party for the workers.
That theme has been mirrored ever since, only the Corbyn leadership had any credibility in steering them back towards their roots.
Much like the Liberals when they got into bed with the Tories this may be the last straw (KS sacking his own front benchers for actually being a Labour politician and standing beside workers aggrieved)
A wholly untrustworthy party in decline, clinging desperately to a nomenclature of Labour.
Sadly the two party system of government in the UK is so devoid of any integrity there’s no hope for anyone.
Local politicians will forever be undermined and frozen out of power/voice/effectiveness as long as this system remains.
Another shift toward independent Scotland as far as I’m concerned, keep imploding, please, please, please.
Perhaps the Tory-lite wing of both Conservative and Labour parties could form one Centre party and leave the extreme wings of both to their own devices.
I think the bbc article nailed it with the comment that it’s a political optical own goal.
Doesn’t matter what the reason for the sacking was, most people will equate it with him being on the picket line, as the unions are already doing, and as one of them said “it’s a Tory transport crisis which is now a labour story.”
Starmer really shouldn’t have a twitchy trigger finger. Reprimand the guy in private, sack him when everything blows over, or if the pr is good, slap him around the head but let him keep the job.
Politics is a game and starmer doesn’t seem to know how to play it.
Massive credit to labour, they never just let the tories have a crisis without trying to one up them with their own.
Lol Streisand effect. I doubt we would have known anything about this if he didn’t sack him.
I understand the anger completely, a party that’s literally called “Labour” should be expected to publicly support Labour unions at every turn.
The thing is I also understand the position Keir is in. The last time John McDonell was in a leading position in the Labour party he and Corbyn led the party to their worst electoral result in nearly a century, and we ended up with the worst conservative government, led by the worst conservative prime minister, this country has ever had.
Yes, it was because of a disgusting media slander campaign against Corbyn, and a populist Tory leader determined to say anything to get a vote. And? Do we wait for that to somehow go away? Pray that it won’t happen again? Hope for the best?
Keir knows that Labour needs to appeal to the centre in order to win, and he can’t do that if he scares them away or gives the right wing press more fuel than they already have.
We all mocked the question time audience a few weeks ago where one lady made a remark about dinosaurs, and a gentleman who “ran a business” couldn’t grasp the basic employment rules of rail franchises, but the fact is these people vote and if we want the country to be run better we either need to consider these people to change their mind or conclude enough other people so they’re outnumbered.
Like it or not Keir leading the Labour party is the best chance we have of getting rid of the Tories and undoing some of the damage they’ve done.
I’d much rather have this country led by a boring pragmatic lawyer with left leaning colleagues, than have another 5 years of right wing trust fund babies desperately trying to secure the BNP and UKIP votes.
Tories claim the most horrific shit daily against their own leadership: I sleep
Labour MP claims to support a strike against their own leadership: I seethe
I mean, Look at Brexit when half the Tories were going on TV claiming everything and anything under the sun against David Cameron, no one cared…
But because Labour, REeEEeEEEeEeEeEEEeee
I understand the plan, I understand he wants to appeal to Southern voters who don’t give a shit about anyone else but themselves and are too thick headed to understand they normally vote to hurt themselves, I get we need these people…
But I don’t have to like or agree with it.
I wouldn’t be taking any lessons in electability and winning over the public from John McDonnell
The fact that Labour can’t get it together at such a critical time *again* is so fucking annoying
It’s an unpopular opinion, but I can see why both sides acted the way they did, and IMO both sides are wrong.
Labour need a centralised policy that everyone can get behind. That means towing the party line, and not going off-script.
With that being said, Starmer should’ve known that sacking a man would lead to speculation and the belief that Labour isn’t for the workers. Besides, a centralised policy means having policies in the first place. I appreciate we’re nowhere near a GE, so showing your hand is a bit silly, but Labour first and foremost should be for the workers.
The smartest thing that Labour could do is to provide resources for the unions looking to strike. Instead of joining pocket lines, meet with union executives, hear their demands, and echo them on the house floor. Have MP’s help those in their constituencies that are missing out on pay. This is all the kind of stuff that MP’s (should) do for their constituents anyway, and it lets Labour get involved without driving policy.
For the record, I fully support the unions and the strikes, and the workers deserve everything they ask for. With that being said, I don’t think many people appreciate that Labour are looking to win a GE, and that there are many people that really don’t support the strikes.
Hope Starmer’s gone by next GE tbh. Labour can’t just pretend the Corbyn years didn’t happen and we’re back in the mid-2000s where a cheeky bit of flirting with Tories is ok.
Corbyn was if nothing else a definitive assertion of the general ethos the party should have, after Blairism lost its way once Blair was gone and didn’t seem to know what to use Labour for except to pursue power for its’ own sake. Corbyn’s election as leader and unexpected gains in 2017 represent a rejection of the trend of Labour abandoning its’ roots to become an oligarchy of unelected staffers and bureaucrats like it is under Starmer.
Failure to recognise that deserves electoral punishment. It’s about time the peoples’ concerns came first in British politics.
This has really pissed me off. Labour are absolutely red Tories and nobody can say otherwise when they sack a politician who’s in a party who is supposed to represent the working class.
I always support strikes. I’ll picket and protest where they’re happening as much as I can in solidarity of my fellow working class “comrades.” It’s not right how companies make billions in profits while squeezing the life out of their workers and the public, while crying out they’ve got fuck all money.
I’m proud that the politic party I’m a part of encourages strike action as much as possible. There’s a cost of living crisis, poor mental health and wellbeing and people living in crushing debt when they don’t need to be. Just because big companies want profits. It’s disgusting.
I’m hoping that our society stops functioning because the economy is too fucked to continue how it is, and do an Iceland and clear all debt and jail the corrupt upper classes. And then start a brand new system that isn’t neoliberal capitalism. Capitalism in the beginnings was never meant to be like this.
All countries around the world are in insurmountable debt that will never be repaid. What’s the point in even counting this shit any more? Most of the money in the system doesn’t even exist, it’s just numbers in a computer. Just hit ctrl-a + delete. Or just keep continuing to spend fake money and don’t give a shit about the costs?
Dam right a strike is needed companies are coining it in and keeping the lot.
Him and Burnham would be a good double-act at the head of the Labour party ngl. The latter should 100% run as leader again eventually.
Labour sacking someone for supporting workers’ protests is like Stonewall sacking a member of their organisation for being gay.
The disturbing thing is we have already done this. Look at the Spanish Civil War or Nazi Germany pre-war.
Anarchists refusing to fight alongside Republicans in Spain because their ideology wasnt correct. Claiming they were as bad as the fascists. Many were furious that the republicans and communists would accept weapons from the Soviets. They were the wrong type of communist! Ignoring the fact the Soviet Union was the only major nation willing to send men or weapons.
The right meanwhile was entirely unified and needed no ideological purity. Fascists and the church and the military all agreed – fuck the left. Then they can share the spoils.
The left lost the war, and the fascists began rounding them up and executing lots of them. All that ideology purity was worthless.
At this point the left attacks kier starmer more often than the actual tories. They seem more interested in being an unpopular opposition that exudes moral authority because theyre always right and never compromise. Unless you want to know what Corbyn thinks of Brexit…
Corbyn was a great leader for Labour but he came in at the wrong time, because we weren’t going through 10%+ inflation and skyrocketing bills just a few years ago. We also hadn’t seen the harsh realities of Brexit first-hand until after he lost in 2019. If he took the mantle today instead of six years ago, Labour would be twenty points ahead of the Conservatives by now.
Labour are now steadily losing support because Scab Starmer is working to suppress any attempts at workers mobilising for better wagss. Dude probably low-key has a hard-on for Liz Truss’s authoritarian vows to ban strike action completely.
Keir needs to change course and fast. This has the potential to sink Labour, both because trade unions will pull funding and support, and because left wing voters will swing towards the Greens.
Let’s go general fucking strike. These companies are earning BILLIONS UPON BILLIONS.
Pay everyone a 12% payrise. End of story. They won’t even lose a fraction of their earnings to that.
Let’s fucking go!
Remember comfy shoes and nice socks when marching.
Labour are champagne socialists and people still think they are for workers lol.
Christ I wish we had PR so bad, would never vote labour again unless they moved left
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2 day strike is BS, SHUT IT ALL DOWN
But he was sacked for making up policy on the fly on camera.
If you just started making shit up at a board presentation I am sure your boss may have something to say about it
Get on John – this dude should be leading the Labour Party, not Keith and his neoliberal buddies.
The problem is that the Tories have decided there is no answer to economic problems *removing the protections we have in place now* and further tanking the economy, quality of life, working conditions and everything else in their quest for a subjugated and scared electorate, and in Starmer’s quest for “electability” he is destroying everything of value that Labour represents.
What he doesn’t realise is you can’t win the electability game – the only way to be electable to the group it appeals to is to pin a blue badge to your lapel, or a bit of good old fashioned fascism.
So now we have this – a rightwing Labour Party punishing MPs for doing what they ought to be doing themselves.
The whole fucking party is an absolute joke, Blair destroyed any notion that Labour was a party for the workers.
That theme has been mirrored ever since, only the Corbyn leadership had any credibility in steering them back towards their roots.
Much like the Liberals when they got into bed with the Tories this may be the last straw (KS sacking his own front benchers for actually being a Labour politician and standing beside workers aggrieved)
A wholly untrustworthy party in decline, clinging desperately to a nomenclature of Labour.
Sadly the two party system of government in the UK is so devoid of any integrity there’s no hope for anyone.
Local politicians will forever be undermined and frozen out of power/voice/effectiveness as long as this system remains.
Another shift toward independent Scotland as far as I’m concerned, keep imploding, please, please, please.
Perhaps the Tory-lite wing of both Conservative and Labour parties could form one Centre party and leave the extreme wings of both to their own devices.
I think the bbc article nailed it with the comment that it’s a political optical own goal.
Doesn’t matter what the reason for the sacking was, most people will equate it with him being on the picket line, as the unions are already doing, and as one of them said “it’s a Tory transport crisis which is now a labour story.”
Starmer really shouldn’t have a twitchy trigger finger. Reprimand the guy in private, sack him when everything blows over, or if the pr is good, slap him around the head but let him keep the job.
Politics is a game and starmer doesn’t seem to know how to play it.
Massive credit to labour, they never just let the tories have a crisis without trying to one up them with their own.
Lol Streisand effect. I doubt we would have known anything about this if he didn’t sack him.
I understand the anger completely, a party that’s literally called “Labour” should be expected to publicly support Labour unions at every turn.
The thing is I also understand the position Keir is in. The last time John McDonell was in a leading position in the Labour party he and Corbyn led the party to their worst electoral result in nearly a century, and we ended up with the worst conservative government, led by the worst conservative prime minister, this country has ever had.
Yes, it was because of a disgusting media slander campaign against Corbyn, and a populist Tory leader determined to say anything to get a vote. And? Do we wait for that to somehow go away? Pray that it won’t happen again? Hope for the best?
Keir knows that Labour needs to appeal to the centre in order to win, and he can’t do that if he scares them away or gives the right wing press more fuel than they already have.
We all mocked the question time audience a few weeks ago where one lady made a remark about dinosaurs, and a gentleman who “ran a business” couldn’t grasp the basic employment rules of rail franchises, but the fact is these people vote and if we want the country to be run better we either need to consider these people to change their mind or conclude enough other people so they’re outnumbered.
Like it or not Keir leading the Labour party is the best chance we have of getting rid of the Tories and undoing some of the damage they’ve done.
I’d much rather have this country led by a boring pragmatic lawyer with left leaning colleagues, than have another 5 years of right wing trust fund babies desperately trying to secure the BNP and UKIP votes.
Tories claim the most horrific shit daily against their own leadership: I sleep
Labour MP claims to support a strike against their own leadership: I seethe
I mean, Look at Brexit when half the Tories were going on TV claiming everything and anything under the sun against David Cameron, no one cared…
But because Labour, REeEEeEEEeEeEeEEEeee
I understand the plan, I understand he wants to appeal to Southern voters who don’t give a shit about anyone else but themselves and are too thick headed to understand they normally vote to hurt themselves, I get we need these people…
But I don’t have to like or agree with it.
I wouldn’t be taking any lessons in electability and winning over the public from John McDonnell
The fact that Labour can’t get it together at such a critical time *again* is so fucking annoying
It’s an unpopular opinion, but I can see why both sides acted the way they did, and IMO both sides are wrong.
Labour need a centralised policy that everyone can get behind. That means towing the party line, and not going off-script.
With that being said, Starmer should’ve known that sacking a man would lead to speculation and the belief that Labour isn’t for the workers. Besides, a centralised policy means having policies in the first place. I appreciate we’re nowhere near a GE, so showing your hand is a bit silly, but Labour first and foremost should be for the workers.
The smartest thing that Labour could do is to provide resources for the unions looking to strike. Instead of joining pocket lines, meet with union executives, hear their demands, and echo them on the house floor. Have MP’s help those in their constituencies that are missing out on pay. This is all the kind of stuff that MP’s (should) do for their constituents anyway, and it lets Labour get involved without driving policy.
For the record, I fully support the unions and the strikes, and the workers deserve everything they ask for. With that being said, I don’t think many people appreciate that Labour are looking to win a GE, and that there are many people that really don’t support the strikes.
Hope Starmer’s gone by next GE tbh. Labour can’t just pretend the Corbyn years didn’t happen and we’re back in the mid-2000s where a cheeky bit of flirting with Tories is ok.
Corbyn was if nothing else a definitive assertion of the general ethos the party should have, after Blairism lost its way once Blair was gone and didn’t seem to know what to use Labour for except to pursue power for its’ own sake. Corbyn’s election as leader and unexpected gains in 2017 represent a rejection of the trend of Labour abandoning its’ roots to become an oligarchy of unelected staffers and bureaucrats like it is under Starmer.
Failure to recognise that deserves electoral punishment. It’s about time the peoples’ concerns came first in British politics.
This has really pissed me off. Labour are absolutely red Tories and nobody can say otherwise when they sack a politician who’s in a party who is supposed to represent the working class.
I always support strikes. I’ll picket and protest where they’re happening as much as I can in solidarity of my fellow working class “comrades.” It’s not right how companies make billions in profits while squeezing the life out of their workers and the public, while crying out they’ve got fuck all money.
I’m proud that the politic party I’m a part of encourages strike action as much as possible. There’s a cost of living crisis, poor mental health and wellbeing and people living in crushing debt when they don’t need to be. Just because big companies want profits. It’s disgusting.
I’m hoping that our society stops functioning because the economy is too fucked to continue how it is, and do an Iceland and clear all debt and jail the corrupt upper classes. And then start a brand new system that isn’t neoliberal capitalism. Capitalism in the beginnings was never meant to be like this.
All countries around the world are in insurmountable debt that will never be repaid. What’s the point in even counting this shit any more? Most of the money in the system doesn’t even exist, it’s just numbers in a computer. Just hit ctrl-a + delete. Or just keep continuing to spend fake money and don’t give a shit about the costs?
Dam right a strike is needed companies are coining it in and keeping the lot.
Him and Burnham would be a good double-act at the head of the Labour party ngl. The latter should 100% run as leader again eventually.
Labour sacking someone for supporting workers’ protests is like Stonewall sacking a member of their organisation for being gay.
The disturbing thing is we have already done this. Look at the Spanish Civil War or Nazi Germany pre-war.
Anarchists refusing to fight alongside Republicans in Spain because their ideology wasnt correct. Claiming they were as bad as the fascists. Many were furious that the republicans and communists would accept weapons from the Soviets. They were the wrong type of communist! Ignoring the fact the Soviet Union was the only major nation willing to send men or weapons.
The right meanwhile was entirely unified and needed no ideological purity. Fascists and the church and the military all agreed – fuck the left. Then they can share the spoils.
The left lost the war, and the fascists began rounding them up and executing lots of them. All that ideology purity was worthless.
At this point the left attacks kier starmer more often than the actual tories. They seem more interested in being an unpopular opposition that exudes moral authority because theyre always right and never compromise. Unless you want to know what Corbyn thinks of Brexit…
Corbyn was a great leader for Labour but he came in at the wrong time, because we weren’t going through 10%+ inflation and skyrocketing bills just a few years ago. We also hadn’t seen the harsh realities of Brexit first-hand until after he lost in 2019. If he took the mantle today instead of six years ago, Labour would be twenty points ahead of the Conservatives by now.
Labour are now steadily losing support because Scab Starmer is working to suppress any attempts at workers mobilising for better wagss. Dude probably low-key has a hard-on for Liz Truss’s authoritarian vows to ban strike action completely.
Keir needs to change course and fast. This has the potential to sink Labour, both because trade unions will pull funding and support, and because left wing voters will swing towards the Greens.
Let’s go general fucking strike. These companies are earning BILLIONS UPON BILLIONS.
Pay everyone a 12% payrise. End of story. They won’t even lose a fraction of their earnings to that.
Let’s fucking go!
Remember comfy shoes and nice socks when marching.
Labour are champagne socialists and people still think they are for workers lol.
Christ I wish we had PR so bad, would never vote labour again unless they moved left