Are they scientifically illiterate? It should be clear by now that [the level of vaccination in a population has little or no impact on transmission rates](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8481107/), and so a “lockdown of the unvaccinated” has absolutely no chance of stopping the spread of the virus.
Of course, that’s a rather generous interpretation that they’re actually pretending to follow the science. A more cynical – but probably more accurate – interpretation is that they know all this already, and are just using the lockdown in order to punish people who have asserted their personal right not to be vaccinated. It’s pretty sickening how many people support measures like this.
How the vaccination status is verified in Germany ? Here in France, it’s a vaccinal passport, distributed as a PDF and we know there’s a lot of fraud as even the unvaccinated people trade easily the PDF from another person : the identity is legally non verifiable.
Anti-vaxxers out in force in this thread it seems 🙁
Your papers, please!
My parents living in Germany are pretty relieved about this. They just got their booster shot / appointment, and daily vaccination rates in Germany are increasing in general, too, so I think the acceptance is quite high.
Wouldn’t it be easier to wear your QR code on a visible place? Let’s say chest. /s
Only new are shops. Here in Bavaria, everything else is already in place since weeks, like restaurants.
Fair enough to me. You have freedom to not get vaccinated but not the freedom to risk the health of others by participating in society
Good. Long overdue.
I mean, cases in Germany are clearly peaking this week. At this point it’s just a reprisal more than a public health measure.
Good
banned in pubs and restaurants, so we do not have to ban them from the ICUs
Gyms have been like this for a week now and I’m loving it.
Pro-mandate people in this thread are using the wrong arguments. It’s honestly getting annoying, it’s like some cognitive dissonance. Simultaneously you as an unvaccinated have no right to spread disease to others, but then in the same breath they will say that vaccinated should keep using masks to stop the spread.
So let’s construct an argument. I think it’s rather obvious that the vaccine has a very limited effect on transmission, but a significant effect on hospitalization and death. Portugal, for example, has record covid numbers right now, but hospital occupancy is fine. From here I conclude that the only externality of not taking the vaccine is occupying hospital resources, which effectively is only relevant to risk groups (elderly, etc). There’s a good example that proves this, the UK has very similar overall vaccination rate to Austria and Germany, yet the situation at the hospital level is controlled. The difference is that in the UK there’s practically universal vaccination coverage in the elderly. One old person vaccinated is worth probably dozens of vaccinated young people.
Therefore, it’s completely pointless to have a blanket mandate for everyone. If you’re going to mandate something, do it right. Even though I am usually very much against mandates, if you’re going to do it, do it like Greece. Every unvaccinated over 60 has to pay 100€ per month to cover the externality of not getting the vaccine. Very clever, and doesn’t go overboard.
This idea of removing unvaccinated from social life is absurd, dystopian and basically useless. Fractures society for no practical benefit.
Oh, and while we’re at it, here in Portugal we still use the covid pass for certain activities (and even a test for some, additionally), I’m sure it’s the 2% unvaccinated from the eligible population that are driving the spread (yet in clubs and bars the vaccinated need to test as well). It’s all an annoying security theater.
Like that in France since mid august
Old habits die hard.
Greece has handled it well in my opinion. Focus on the groups that put hospitals under tremendous pressure, mainly the over 60s.
Forcing healthy young people to vaccinate is just so stupid. Just adds another layer of division to society that just keeps getting worst. Vaccination has very little impact on transmission rates so what on earth is the point? Focus on keeping pressure off the hospitals, use targeted measures rather than blanket bans.
I say this as someone that is vaccinated, but I’ll never support a government that pushes this through. Don’t be so careless to give away freedoms, they might not be so easy to get back afterwards.
The EU has now become China.
Hope Scotland doesn’t join!
This is a Social Credit System. Well done EU, you’re now China.
I’m pro EU as fuck, but God this sort of shit is hard for me to get on board with
Not sure how many unvaxinated people there are in Germany, or how big problems they have with covid, but I think the countries that makes the most illiberal choices during this time will regret it the most when all this is over.
Lmao Germans, enjoy your new world order.
……should’ve been literally first thing to do, everyone goes to pubs rofl
The slow slide towards authoritarianism.
I could make my peace with things like the pass sanitaire when they had the option of getting a negative test. Thst was just at the edge.
This goes way past the red line.I saw in France that those not getting vaccinated tend to be ethnic minorities. Those people, barred from other parts of society, then just go to shops, restaurants etc run by people from their own background.
This starts to create medical apartheid, it’s authoritarian, boarderline fascist, a colossal over reaction and state over reach and it’s frankly offensive.
If this is the direction EU countries like Germany, Austria and Greece are taking, I’m very glad the UK left that club.
I’m fully vaccinated but I don’t agree with any govt that does this kind of measures. I feel safe I want to live my life and I don’t want to show papers EVERYWHERE
Looks like the pfizer bot army is in this thread in full force. Good lord, taking a twice-a-year pfizer subscription for life is NOT GOING TO GIVE YOU FREEDOM BACK. GET THIS INTO YOUR THICK SKULLS.
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Are they scientifically illiterate? It should be clear by now that [the level of vaccination in a population has little or no impact on transmission rates](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8481107/), and so a “lockdown of the unvaccinated” has absolutely no chance of stopping the spread of the virus.
Of course, that’s a rather generous interpretation that they’re actually pretending to follow the science. A more cynical – but probably more accurate – interpretation is that they know all this already, and are just using the lockdown in order to punish people who have asserted their personal right not to be vaccinated. It’s pretty sickening how many people support measures like this.
[It’s not about science.](https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanepe/article/PIIS2666-7762(21)00258-1/fulltext) It has never been.
How the vaccination status is verified in Germany ? Here in France, it’s a vaccinal passport, distributed as a PDF and we know there’s a lot of fraud as even the unvaccinated people trade easily the PDF from another person : the identity is legally non verifiable.
Anti-vaxxers out in force in this thread it seems 🙁
Your papers, please!
My parents living in Germany are pretty relieved about this. They just got their booster shot / appointment, and daily vaccination rates in Germany are increasing in general, too, so I think the acceptance is quite high.
Wouldn’t it be easier to wear your QR code on a visible place? Let’s say chest. /s
Only new are shops. Here in Bavaria, everything else is already in place since weeks, like restaurants.
Fair enough to me. You have freedom to not get vaccinated but not the freedom to risk the health of others by participating in society
Good. Long overdue.
I mean, cases in Germany are clearly peaking this week. At this point it’s just a reprisal more than a public health measure.
Good
banned in pubs and restaurants, so we do not have to ban them from the ICUs
[Germany and segregating people. Name a more iconic duo.](https://www.techpedia.pl/app/public/files/11085.jpg)
Old traditions are hard to die lol
Gyms have been like this for a week now and I’m loving it.
Pro-mandate people in this thread are using the wrong arguments. It’s honestly getting annoying, it’s like some cognitive dissonance. Simultaneously you as an unvaccinated have no right to spread disease to others, but then in the same breath they will say that vaccinated should keep using masks to stop the spread.
So let’s construct an argument. I think it’s rather obvious that the vaccine has a very limited effect on transmission, but a significant effect on hospitalization and death. Portugal, for example, has record covid numbers right now, but hospital occupancy is fine. From here I conclude that the only externality of not taking the vaccine is occupying hospital resources, which effectively is only relevant to risk groups (elderly, etc). There’s a good example that proves this, the UK has very similar overall vaccination rate to Austria and Germany, yet the situation at the hospital level is controlled. The difference is that in the UK there’s practically universal vaccination coverage in the elderly. One old person vaccinated is worth probably dozens of vaccinated young people.
Therefore, it’s completely pointless to have a blanket mandate for everyone. If you’re going to mandate something, do it right. Even though I am usually very much against mandates, if you’re going to do it, do it like Greece. Every unvaccinated over 60 has to pay 100€ per month to cover the externality of not getting the vaccine. Very clever, and doesn’t go overboard.
This idea of removing unvaccinated from social life is absurd, dystopian and basically useless. Fractures society for no practical benefit.
Oh, and while we’re at it, here in Portugal we still use the covid pass for certain activities (and even a test for some, additionally), I’m sure it’s the 2% unvaccinated from the eligible population that are driving the spread (yet in clubs and bars the vaccinated need to test as well). It’s all an annoying security theater.
Like that in France since mid august
Old habits die hard.
Greece has handled it well in my opinion. Focus on the groups that put hospitals under tremendous pressure, mainly the over 60s.
Forcing healthy young people to vaccinate is just so stupid. Just adds another layer of division to society that just keeps getting worst. Vaccination has very little impact on transmission rates so what on earth is the point? Focus on keeping pressure off the hospitals, use targeted measures rather than blanket bans.
I say this as someone that is vaccinated, but I’ll never support a government that pushes this through. Don’t be so careless to give away freedoms, they might not be so easy to get back afterwards.
The EU has now become China.
Hope Scotland doesn’t join!
This is a Social Credit System. Well done EU, you’re now China.
I’m pro EU as fuck, but God this sort of shit is hard for me to get on board with
Not sure how many unvaxinated people there are in Germany, or how big problems they have with covid, but I think the countries that makes the most illiberal choices during this time will regret it the most when all this is over.
Lmao Germans, enjoy your new world order.
……should’ve been literally first thing to do, everyone goes to pubs rofl
The slow slide towards authoritarianism.
I could make my peace with things like the pass sanitaire when they had the option of getting a negative test. Thst was just at the edge.
This goes way past the red line.I saw in France that those not getting vaccinated tend to be ethnic minorities. Those people, barred from other parts of society, then just go to shops, restaurants etc run by people from their own background.
This starts to create medical apartheid, it’s authoritarian, boarderline fascist, a colossal over reaction and state over reach and it’s frankly offensive.
If this is the direction EU countries like Germany, Austria and Greece are taking, I’m very glad the UK left that club.
I’m fully vaccinated but I don’t agree with any govt that does this kind of measures. I feel safe I want to live my life and I don’t want to show papers EVERYWHERE
Looks like the pfizer bot army is in this thread in full force. Good lord, taking a twice-a-year pfizer subscription for life is NOT GOING TO GIVE YOU FREEDOM BACK. GET THIS INTO YOUR THICK SKULLS.