Seriously I’m all for helping Ukrainians but we are bursting at the seams. 1500 now coming in a week.
At some point those in charge have to realize this isn’t going to work…
This is not workable at all.
Scotland has stopped taking them in as over capacitated and Sturgeon is seen as very leftie so that was a big call for her to stop taking them in.
If only we could just do the yellow and blue Facebook pic, and a wee flag at the house or on the jammer. Would that not be enough for these literal refugees from a war torn country!
Do ye not get that Ukraine is being literally smashed by Russia.
While we have 10,000+ Irish citizens homeless and have 1,500+ Ukrainians arriving every week been given full social welfare supports, free food, free medical, everything.
This country is a joke.
Why the fuck are we taking them then if we have literally nowhere to put them ?
Throw some money at helping the problem and give them some aid, we don’t need to be taking an unsustainable amount which at this moment in time is anything more than 0.
Can you imagine the scenes if the GAA and LOI were shut down for months?
The should be put up in Leinster House and Áras an Uachtaráin
Could the financial incentives be revisited?
The government are offering hotels and B&Bs €135 for the first adult in each group, plus €35 per additional adult and child. This is per night. The Ukrainian payment to each household is €400 per family group per month, so if a home takes in one person or 4 people, it’s still ‘only’ €400.
If you’re a family of Mam and two kids, the hotel / B&B gets €6,150 per month, while the household gets €400. Is it not more cost effective to offer households more, say €1,000 in line with the tax free lodgings scheme, and free up hotel rooms for tourism?
On the surface it seems simple to me, but I’m sure there’s a lot of reasons I’m wrong.
Problem when repeatedly ineffective governments never learned to deal with an ineffective, lax and way too liberal asylum process.
We had an Anchor baby problem and many took advantage of that.
Succesive Governments should have been much more strict about who they gave work visas and ESPECIALLY asylum to.
Most deportation orders were not even followed through at one point. Check out Niall Boylan and Ebun Joseph’s spat on Matt Cooper’s TV3 show if you can find it.
Apparently it’s a system that allows appeal after appeal after appeal against deportation. The appellants are sometimes even getting free legal aid and the solicitors and barristers working for Government are being paid for by the Irish Tax-Payer.
So apart from lining over paid bartisters’ pockets, the Irish Tax-Payer also pays for all Emergency and Direct Provision.
Before the Ukrainian War, the Minister for Justice has agreed to give 17,500 undocumented Visas and some are refugees. Some are still in accomodation for refugees. This caused a lot of criticism as other migrants always worked to fill out paperwork and pay for Visas. Now some “refugees” are going to apply for work Visas. However if there is no invasion by an aggressive State or Civil War in their country, then I am confused as to how they were given Asylum Status in the first place ???????
Now I am completely in favour of taking in and caring for as many real refugees and genuine political asylum seekers as we can take.
There is obviously a war in Ukraine. But we need to overhaul the whole Asylum Process which has been ineffective for decades. We need to speed up the application processing for new entrants, only allow ONE appeal, and carry out all deportation orders. Then we will have more space for REAL refugees.
what exactly are we doing here? whats the long term plan like?
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Seriously I’m all for helping Ukrainians but we are bursting at the seams. 1500 now coming in a week.
At some point those in charge have to realize this isn’t going to work…
This is not workable at all.
Scotland has stopped taking them in as over capacitated and Sturgeon is seen as very leftie so that was a big call for her to stop taking them in.
If only we could just do the yellow and blue Facebook pic, and a wee flag at the house or on the jammer. Would that not be enough for these literal refugees from a war torn country!
Do ye not get that Ukraine is being literally smashed by Russia.
While we have 10,000+ Irish citizens homeless and have 1,500+ Ukrainians arriving every week been given full social welfare supports, free food, free medical, everything.
This country is a joke.
Why the fuck are we taking them then if we have literally nowhere to put them ?
Throw some money at helping the problem and give them some aid, we don’t need to be taking an unsustainable amount which at this moment in time is anything more than 0.
Can you imagine the scenes if the GAA and LOI were shut down for months?
Inflation is taking away our bread and now we might not have sports fixtures. The Romans knew [not to mess with those things](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bread_and_circuses) 2000 years ago.
The should be put up in Leinster House and Áras an Uachtaráin
Could the financial incentives be revisited?
The government are offering hotels and B&Bs €135 for the first adult in each group, plus €35 per additional adult and child. This is per night. The Ukrainian payment to each household is €400 per family group per month, so if a home takes in one person or 4 people, it’s still ‘only’ €400.
If you’re a family of Mam and two kids, the hotel / B&B gets €6,150 per month, while the household gets €400. Is it not more cost effective to offer households more, say €1,000 in line with the tax free lodgings scheme, and free up hotel rooms for tourism?
On the surface it seems simple to me, but I’m sure there’s a lot of reasons I’m wrong.
https://www.newstalk.com/news/gaa-clubs-asked-to-shelter-ukrainian-refugees-1368518
https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/social-affairs/2022/07/22/government-invites-tenders-for-supply-of-hotel-rooms-for-ukrainians-as-army-looks-to-purchase-more-tents/
Who are we trying to impress?
Problem when repeatedly ineffective governments never learned to deal with an ineffective, lax and way too liberal asylum process.
We had an Anchor baby problem and many took advantage of that.
Succesive Governments should have been much more strict about who they gave work visas and ESPECIALLY asylum to.
Most deportation orders were not even followed through at one point. Check out Niall Boylan and Ebun Joseph’s spat on Matt Cooper’s TV3 show if you can find it.
Apparently it’s a system that allows appeal after appeal after appeal against deportation. The appellants are sometimes even getting free legal aid and the solicitors and barristers working for Government are being paid for by the Irish Tax-Payer.
So apart from lining over paid bartisters’ pockets, the Irish Tax-Payer also pays for all Emergency and Direct Provision.
Before the Ukrainian War, the Minister for Justice has agreed to give 17,500 undocumented Visas and some are refugees. Some are still in accomodation for refugees. This caused a lot of criticism as other migrants always worked to fill out paperwork and pay for Visas. Now some “refugees” are going to apply for work Visas. However if there is no invasion by an aggressive State or Civil War in their country, then I am confused as to how they were given Asylum Status in the first place ???????
Now I am completely in favour of taking in and caring for as many real refugees and genuine political asylum seekers as we can take.
There is obviously a war in Ukraine. But we need to overhaul the whole Asylum Process which has been ineffective for decades. We need to speed up the application processing for new entrants, only allow ONE appeal, and carry out all deportation orders. Then we will have more space for REAL refugees.
what exactly are we doing here? whats the long term plan like?