One taxi drivers bad customer experience aside. There is zero chance we will be fully EV by 2030. There’s.not.enough resources in all the world to replace all existing fuel based cars with EVs using existing technology.. The only real solution is to have less cars. And that ain’t gonna happen either.
I sold these in 2018 and the warranty clearly states 100,000 kms or 5 years, whichever comes first. Taxi drivers got enormous grants to subsidise the price of the switch. It’s a pity the replacement battery is so expensive but this guy still probably breaks even for choosing an electric vehicle
Anyone even half way into cars knows that this electric car business is a joke.
He’s not the first horror story I’ve seen with batteries going kaput .. it would make me think twice .. hybrid maybe ..
Taxi that was rapid charged too much. Not surprising.
Also leaf battery tech sucks. It has no cooling. Anyone with one of these should sell it for something with a decently designed battery
I own an EV love every bit of it as my daily commuter, but as a car enthusiast I still own a petrol car also just because I enjoy tinkering which EV don’t entirely allow without instant death if I grab the wrong cable, but I do love driving my Mazda it’s a nice EV.
The is a little known thing with EV’s called the carbon baggage and EV owners especially Tesla owners hate to talk about the carbon baggage, which is all EV depending on the size of their battery and the means where they source the power for their vehicles can determine how long it take before the car is using less carbon than a normal fossil fuel Vehicle.
For example in Ireland it is surmised that it would take about 5 years before a 50kwh Tesla will have used less carbon than a normal fossil fuel vehicle, this means if you want to get into EV’s you are going to have to own that car long term to lesson your carbon impact.
Then the next issue the cheap CCP funded EV’s Manufactures like MG which look like nice cars for very little money considering what you get, but the reason why these EV’s are so cheap is due to the Belton road initiative which allows the CCP to take advantage of poorer mostly African countries, purposely putting them into debt knowing that they can not afford to repay the over priced train track line from China and then keeping their natural recourses and ports hostage as collateral until the railway tracks are fully paid.
This has allowed China to accumulate some of the largest mines all over Africa of Nickel, Cobalt and Lithium all stolen resources from poor countries that could benefit from these natural recourse, and only getting a railway in return.
So this is the reason why I refuse to buy a Chinese EV’s. now you can make that usual excuse that everything comes from China, but you can make an effort to avoid buying directly from CCP companies such as SAIC which owns MG and is complicit to these stolen battery minerals or ignorance’s is bliss.
This 2030 push for EV’s it’s extremely difficult to say maybe if the world isn’t burning and we are going to need avoid these car companies that use Slave wage workers and stolen resources.
This is definitely going to be a big problem In the future. Hybrid cars have suffered from this for years and given that for the most part full EV’s are only coming on stream we are going to see a hell of alot more battery issues in the future.
Unfortunately our battery technology is pretty much at the limit at what we can do with the available tech. The good news is that most of the time it’s not the whole battery that has to be replaced but individual cells still not cheap but no where near the €14,000 price tag of a new battery.
As you would probably imagine manufacturer’s refuse to replace cells and insist on a whole new battery only third party mechanics will do the job and at the moment there isn’t many out there that have the know how to work on them.
Sale of Goods and Supply of Services Act 1980
Not a hope, that would require planning and building which is something the government and the mandarins in the civil service seem incapable of doing.
My last employer installed an ev charging station in the car park, naturally management all patted each other on the backs had a nice photo taken for the company world wide portal to show how great they are and care for the environment blah blah blah etc. All grand as only 1 person had an electric car and used it, next 4 more get one and now it’s a problem. When management were asked would they consider installing more citing their speech in the photo of environment, investment etc they were kindly told to fuck off.
No
Car battery in Halfords for €114 with a 5 year warr…. Oh wait…
The second hand EV car market doesn’t look like it’ll be lucrative in the long term if potential costs like this have to be factored in by buyers.
100,000 miles in 3 years with 2 of them being covid. Most of the time warranties don’t even cover the use of the vehicle for taxi/rental etc.. so the fact he even got the service guy to ask nissan is mad.
In reality a small EV like that is only expected to reach 100,000km in 10 years and be scrapped after.
I live in northern Ireland and the charger situation is a joke. In the biggest town near me there’s 6 chargers, 2 work. The town I I’ve in has 2, both broken. Ring the number on the charger and it’s not recognised lol want to go to the pool in another nearby town, there’s 2 chargers there, oh that’s right both broken. So let’s go to the garage nearby with the fast charger, it works, oh there’s 5 cars waiting to use it.
EVs won’t save us, just the auto industry. It really feels like when they started making phones and laptop more ‘black box’ so if one component failed – unless you manage to get very specific tools and know-how, your most feasible solution for anything going wrong is to simply buy a new unit.
Very interesting conversation , makes you think twice about taking the plunge and buying an EV.
Until there is a battery cell rejuvenation process which is being worked on by some but mad expensive, 2nd hand EV’s will not sell unless under warranty.
Zero emissions shite ,
If your phone survives 3 -4 years the battery goes to shite there will be very few second hand EVs worth buying anything over 5 years will be a roll of the dice.
Government be the biggest winner
Strip mines in developing world but we can have clean air and a clean conscience.
Battery technology is ass
It’s probably just one failed cell. Stealer will be a Stealer and want to rip off people as is usual. Doesn’t matter if you have petrol diesel electric. Go to a dealer outside of warranty for big work and expect them to want to charge stupid money. There are EV repair specialists that this owner has been directed to. He’ll be able to get it sorted for a LOT less than that.
Just for context, Nissan Leaf is probably the worst EV for battery issues. No thermal management unlike other cars which have liquid or active air-cooled. Even the Renault Zoe from the same era is far better than the Leaf. It uses a loop of the aircon system to cool the battery. Batteries don’t like to be very hot.
This is why laptop batteries tend to not last, no buffer and get hammered charging and heat. Most EVs (Leaf aside) are not like this at all.
Most people just don’t do 165000 KM in 4 years (I’ve taken 7 to cover 40,000 personally in our ICE hatch which is our only car not counting the classic), nor will most EV owners put their car through regular fast/rapid charge cycles that shorten battery life due to the thermal effects of rapid charge/discharge cycles..
It’s also worth pointing out no-one said Ireland will be “fully EV by 2030”. We’ll stop selling ICE cars by then, probably.. but it’s just a case of doing something that would happen anyway and then acting like it was our idea all along and aren’t we great lads.
The EU will effectively ban new ICE car sales in 2035 and loads of ICE ,models will be phased out by then (it’s already pretty much happening really). There will still be ICE cars on the road for some time after that. I can’t say if a total ICE ban is a good thing, but there’s no point whinging about the invevitible either.
Also – this lad goes to a main dealer and puts his surprised Pikachu face on when the quote is expensive, which is hilarious given Taxi drivers will happily scrimp 5 euro on tyres to go with no-name ditchfinders and then still haggle..
There are people who offer re-con batteries on an exchange basis. They sell you a reconditioned battery pack and take your old one. A battery is not a “battery” singular, it’s a pack made up of individual cells. The overall pack can be reconditioned, sometimes with only deep cycle charging, but individual dud cells get replaced.
Another day, another eejit on the interwebs…
NIO does a great thing where you pull into a petrol station and they have a drive in which your battery is swapped out for a fully recharged one. Only takes 5 minutes. Sounds really great and would certainly mean avoid scenarios like this.
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One taxi drivers bad customer experience aside. There is zero chance we will be fully EV by 2030. There’s.not.enough resources in all the world to replace all existing fuel based cars with EVs using existing technology.. The only real solution is to have less cars. And that ain’t gonna happen either.
I sold these in 2018 and the warranty clearly states 100,000 kms or 5 years, whichever comes first. Taxi drivers got enormous grants to subsidise the price of the switch. It’s a pity the replacement battery is so expensive but this guy still probably breaks even for choosing an electric vehicle
Anyone even half way into cars knows that this electric car business is a joke.
He’s not the first horror story I’ve seen with batteries going kaput .. it would make me think twice .. hybrid maybe ..
Taxi that was rapid charged too much. Not surprising.
Also leaf battery tech sucks. It has no cooling. Anyone with one of these should sell it for something with a decently designed battery
I own an EV love every bit of it as my daily commuter, but as a car enthusiast I still own a petrol car also just because I enjoy tinkering which EV don’t entirely allow without instant death if I grab the wrong cable, but I do love driving my Mazda it’s a nice EV.
The is a little known thing with EV’s called the carbon baggage and EV owners especially Tesla owners hate to talk about the carbon baggage, which is all EV depending on the size of their battery and the means where they source the power for their vehicles can determine how long it take before the car is using less carbon than a normal fossil fuel Vehicle.
For example in Ireland it is surmised that it would take about 5 years before a 50kwh Tesla will have used less carbon than a normal fossil fuel vehicle, this means if you want to get into EV’s you are going to have to own that car long term to lesson your carbon impact.
Then the next issue the cheap CCP funded EV’s Manufactures like MG which look like nice cars for very little money considering what you get, but the reason why these EV’s are so cheap is due to the Belton road initiative which allows the CCP to take advantage of poorer mostly African countries, purposely putting them into debt knowing that they can not afford to repay the over priced train track line from China and then keeping their natural recourses and ports hostage as collateral until the railway tracks are fully paid.
This has allowed China to accumulate some of the largest mines all over Africa of Nickel, Cobalt and Lithium all stolen resources from poor countries that could benefit from these natural recourse, and only getting a railway in return.
So this is the reason why I refuse to buy a Chinese EV’s. now you can make that usual excuse that everything comes from China, but you can make an effort to avoid buying directly from CCP companies such as SAIC which owns MG and is complicit to these stolen battery minerals or ignorance’s is bliss.
This 2030 push for EV’s it’s extremely difficult to say maybe if the world isn’t burning and we are going to need avoid these car companies that use Slave wage workers and stolen resources.
This is definitely going to be a big problem In the future. Hybrid cars have suffered from this for years and given that for the most part full EV’s are only coming on stream we are going to see a hell of alot more battery issues in the future.
Unfortunately our battery technology is pretty much at the limit at what we can do with the available tech. The good news is that most of the time it’s not the whole battery that has to be replaced but individual cells still not cheap but no where near the €14,000 price tag of a new battery.
As you would probably imagine manufacturer’s refuse to replace cells and insist on a whole new battery only third party mechanics will do the job and at the moment there isn’t many out there that have the know how to work on them.
Sale of Goods and Supply of Services Act 1980
Not a hope, that would require planning and building which is something the government and the mandarins in the civil service seem incapable of doing.
My last employer installed an ev charging station in the car park, naturally management all patted each other on the backs had a nice photo taken for the company world wide portal to show how great they are and care for the environment blah blah blah etc. All grand as only 1 person had an electric car and used it, next 4 more get one and now it’s a problem. When management were asked would they consider installing more citing their speech in the photo of environment, investment etc they were kindly told to fuck off.
No
Car battery in Halfords for €114 with a 5 year warr…. Oh wait…
The second hand EV car market doesn’t look like it’ll be lucrative in the long term if potential costs like this have to be factored in by buyers.
100,000 miles in 3 years with 2 of them being covid. Most of the time warranties don’t even cover the use of the vehicle for taxi/rental etc.. so the fact he even got the service guy to ask nissan is mad.
In reality a small EV like that is only expected to reach 100,000km in 10 years and be scrapped after.
I live in northern Ireland and the charger situation is a joke. In the biggest town near me there’s 6 chargers, 2 work. The town I I’ve in has 2, both broken. Ring the number on the charger and it’s not recognised lol want to go to the pool in another nearby town, there’s 2 chargers there, oh that’s right both broken. So let’s go to the garage nearby with the fast charger, it works, oh there’s 5 cars waiting to use it.
EVs won’t save us, just the auto industry. It really feels like when they started making phones and laptop more ‘black box’ so if one component failed – unless you manage to get very specific tools and know-how, your most feasible solution for anything going wrong is to simply buy a new unit.
Very interesting conversation , makes you think twice about taking the plunge and buying an EV.
Until there is a battery cell rejuvenation process which is being worked on by some but mad expensive, 2nd hand EV’s will not sell unless under warranty.
Zero emissions shite ,
If your phone survives 3 -4 years the battery goes to shite there will be very few second hand EVs worth buying anything over 5 years will be a roll of the dice.
Government be the biggest winner
Strip mines in developing world but we can have clean air and a clean conscience.
Battery technology is ass
It’s probably just one failed cell. Stealer will be a Stealer and want to rip off people as is usual. Doesn’t matter if you have petrol diesel electric. Go to a dealer outside of warranty for big work and expect them to want to charge stupid money. There are EV repair specialists that this owner has been directed to. He’ll be able to get it sorted for a LOT less than that.
Just for context, Nissan Leaf is probably the worst EV for battery issues. No thermal management unlike other cars which have liquid or active air-cooled. Even the Renault Zoe from the same era is far better than the Leaf. It uses a loop of the aircon system to cool the battery. Batteries don’t like to be very hot.
This is why laptop batteries tend to not last, no buffer and get hammered charging and heat. Most EVs (Leaf aside) are not like this at all.
Most people just don’t do 165000 KM in 4 years (I’ve taken 7 to cover 40,000 personally in our ICE hatch which is our only car not counting the classic), nor will most EV owners put their car through regular fast/rapid charge cycles that shorten battery life due to the thermal effects of rapid charge/discharge cycles..
It’s also worth pointing out no-one said Ireland will be “fully EV by 2030”. We’ll stop selling ICE cars by then, probably.. but it’s just a case of doing something that would happen anyway and then acting like it was our idea all along and aren’t we great lads.
The EU will effectively ban new ICE car sales in 2035 and loads of ICE ,models will be phased out by then (it’s already pretty much happening really). There will still be ICE cars on the road for some time after that. I can’t say if a total ICE ban is a good thing, but there’s no point whinging about the invevitible either.
Also – this lad goes to a main dealer and puts his surprised Pikachu face on when the quote is expensive, which is hilarious given Taxi drivers will happily scrimp 5 euro on tyres to go with no-name ditchfinders and then still haggle..
There are people who offer re-con batteries on an exchange basis. They sell you a reconditioned battery pack and take your old one. A battery is not a “battery” singular, it’s a pack made up of individual cells. The overall pack can be reconditioned, sometimes with only deep cycle charging, but individual dud cells get replaced.
Another day, another eejit on the interwebs…
NIO does a great thing where you pull into a petrol station and they have a drive in which your battery is swapped out for a fully recharged one. Only takes 5 minutes. Sounds really great and would certainly mean avoid scenarios like this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5BPL4Nm1q0