For Archie’s sake (even though he isn’t aware of any of this) let’s hope the mother lets this go, now
Edit: People seem to be finding this comment and misinterpreting it, so here’s an edit.
His mother has been dragging this around the courts for months. She badmouths and slanders the doctors, the judges, and anyone else who isn’t telling her what she wants to hear. She believes the hospital is trying to harvest his organs, that they are starving him, putting him on ‘death row’, and many other wild accusations. So for Archie’s peace, and her own, it is time to stop parading him around in the media and going to court, and let go. He isn’t going to recover.
Archie is his own person who deserves a dignified death and ending to his life. When I mention “dignity”, some people are saying his dignity belongs to his family and friends? No, it belongs to Archie alone. HIS dignity and HIS memory. Not the memories of him that people hold, which is completely different. His memory and his dignity, and most of all, being able to rest in peace.
While the news doesn’t surprise anyone with common sense, this will unfortunately be dragged out as the family take this to the supreme court.
At least Archie is no longer suffering, but the family are worsening their own. The father is now in hospital with a suspected heart attack.
Correction: it is going straight to the European Court of Human Rights.
Good. This is obviously heartbreaking for the parents, and it’s impossible to imagine what they’re going through, but they need to let him go. At this point, the parents are doing it for themselves, not for Archie. Let him die with dignity.
That boy should be in the ground after having a dignified funeral, yet the parents here have decided to ignore all medical evidence that their son is gone and have insisted on keeping his dead body warm and displayed in front of the nation’s media. Because of “faith” or something.
The boy’s brain isn’t just dead, it’s rotted away. I really struggle to have any sympathy at all with these parents. Perhaps their delusion stems from guilt as it’s a possibility the boy hanged himself. But they need to let go.
I know I wouldn’t be saying that if I were the parents but from the outside this is why I’m somewhat glad there’s a mechanism for this when the parents lack of objectivity is now clashing with reality
I’m not the parent so it’s easy for me to say but he is brain stem dead and has been for a very long time. No matter how much they keep him on life support, there is absolutely NO coming back from that. His heart is being mechanically forced to pump blood at this point and that’s it.
Poor lads brain is literally rotting in his head. Well beyond time to let him go.
Sympathy for the family is starting to wear very thin I feel. I myself now can’t help but feel this is a waste of time and money for both the Courts and the hospital. I don’t think this is fighting for justice for the young lad either.
Everything about this case sucks.
The misunderstanding of the kids mental health issues resulting in his attempted suicide (allegedly – the Tik Tok trend isn’t what really happened).
The parent filled with grief unable to let go.
The medical treatment not being able to do anything.
The Christian fronted legal assistance trying to take advantage of the whole situation. Trying to use a woman’s grief over her son to manipulate her into making herself look a fool, all whilst giving her false hope of something good coming out of it. They know they’re stringing her along and it’s disgusting.
All of it is understable apart from the last point, wish that was criticised for what it was.
Let’s parade a brain dead child around the media circus and let every chuckle fuck give their opinion. This shit is maddening, noone wins, we all lose.
Cases like this are uniquely horrible, and the press plays a massive part in how irresponsibly they report it. It’s is incredibly reckless of them to continually report the parent’s understandably desparate evidence before it is legal to reveal any of the enormous clinical weight behind the doctor’s conclusions – this makes it sound like, to the general public, the doctors are trying to kill a perfectly healthy boy.
In reality, his brain was so deteriorated and necrotic that it had begun to sink down his neck, with parts of his brain even having sloughed off and spread down his spinal cord – I recommend anyone with any doubts about this read the court’s decisions, featuring all the medical evidence, from June and July
The end result of this case is that people following this with no better knowledge would conclude the doctors to be merciless sociopaths. In reality, the kid never had a shot from the start, and it is dreadful for all involved this carried on in the public eye for as long as it did. All it does is feed mistrust into the profession and encourage more tragedies like this to happen.
Cases like this really make me fear the public. Twitter replies and comment sections on other articles are full of people who clearly lack knowledge and attack the medical professionals for this decision. It’s truly scary how many people whole-heartedly believe that “The doctors are wrong! Archie needs more time! His mums love will wake him up!” and it’s fucking terrifying.
Doctors can definitely make mistakes … but that’s why we have second opinions. No doubt this stretches far beyond a “second opinion” with how many doctors and consultants would be involved in this case.
I can’t say I fully understand a mothers grief, so I might be insensitive. But enough is enough.
He’s brain dead. He has been for so long now his brain is liquifying. There’s no saving him. All we are doing is wasting hospital resources and traumatising it’s staff trying to maintain a corpse.
Let the poor kid be buried with dignity and give the rest of his family a chance to actually grieve. The mother is just wasting the time of everybody now. The doctors who could be helping others who still have a chance. The judges who have more important things to do. And the rest of her family who she’s constantly dragging into the public limelight with this case. She needs to accept reality and face her grief.
I’m beginning to wonder who is more braindead, Archie or his mum.
I just find it unbelievable that his mum thinks she knows better than the doctors and nurses at the hospital. They would have done tests and scans and presented that to the judge. It seems that all of this is because she has got some crackpot god squad on her side. If she does take it to the ECHR, they will be presented with the same information and they will likely come to the same conclusion.
This is something Stephen King would write in the 80s and people would say it was silly
There really needs to be more education on end of life treatment. Everybody says that they would like to die, at home, in their sleep. Yet we still rush to, basically, brutilize a person into living longer, which is the exact opposite of what we would like. People should be educated about this before they have to make a decision like this.
The latest in a long line of hopeless cause célèbres for doomed children.
Just like Alfie Evans, just like Charlie Gard, this person is no longer “alive” in any real sense – his brain is non-existent. No appeal, no amount of prayer, no amount of screaming at the world that it isn’t fair (which it absolutely isn’t) will change that.
**No legal intervention can recover a withering body and a catastrophically damaged brain. This child’s body is no longer capable of sustaining his life. The judgment, as with all others in similar cases, reflects this reality.**
At this point, I wonder if there needs to be legislation to limit the malicious “interventions” received from third-party actors hoping to further their own agendas. Read any of the judgments in these cases ([the Alfie Evans one, in particular, is heartbreaking, but an example of how third parties give false hope](https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/alder-hey-v-evans.pdf)) – there is no question here. No credible alternative diagnosis, no “letting kids die to save money”, no cherrypicking. Just cold hard medical reality.
I empathise with the parents, as I do in any of these cases. But this has to stop – losing your child is hard enough without this insane media storm fueled by bad-faith religious nutters surrounding every case.
Hopefully now this obscene circus can end and the boy can rest in peace.
Hopefully now this obscene circus can end and the boy can rest in peace.
It’s time to let him go but I feel heart sick for the family and that’s it. Whatever they have done they are motivated by grief and I hope I never have to experience losing my child like they have.
I think Archie’s mum is deranged with grief and the fundamentalists are exploiting that
Section her and pull the plug before any more wackos threaten judges or doctors doing their jobs properly.
Just let him go – this is barbaric
Sometimes the most loving thing you can do, is let someone go.
It’s infuriating that this is carrying on, please just let the poor boy go it’s nothing but selfishness keeping him alive imo.
She needs to let the poor lad go. As hard as it is she needs to wake up and see he’s already dead. Don’t think I’ve seen her upset either which is odd 🤔
The thing is didn’t the kid cone (pressure inside cranial vault gets so high it forces the brain out through the tiny hole that connects it to the spinal cord)? Once that happens you aren’t ever coming back and without being mean, he’s just meat that’s still alive at this point. His brain is fucking gone.
Something ought to be done about cases like this, some sort of process. I dunno, maybe give the family the option to buy the machines, hire their own doctors and medical staff privately and then transfer the corpse somewhere else.
If you want to spend the next 6 months mutilating a corpse to keep it ‘alive’, do it by all means, but the hospital has no interest in squirting air into the rotting lungs of a dead person, and will not part with a single penny to cover your sick obsession. You can live with the fact that you denied your son a dignified death, the health system isn’t going to follow you down that road.
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For Archie’s sake (even though he isn’t aware of any of this) let’s hope the mother lets this go, now
Edit: People seem to be finding this comment and misinterpreting it, so here’s an edit.
His mother has been dragging this around the courts for months. She badmouths and slanders the doctors, the judges, and anyone else who isn’t telling her what she wants to hear. She believes the hospital is trying to harvest his organs, that they are starving him, putting him on ‘death row’, and many other wild accusations. So for Archie’s peace, and her own, it is time to stop parading him around in the media and going to court, and let go. He isn’t going to recover.
Archie is his own person who deserves a dignified death and ending to his life. When I mention “dignity”, some people are saying his dignity belongs to his family and friends? No, it belongs to Archie alone. HIS dignity and HIS memory. Not the memories of him that people hold, which is completely different. His memory and his dignity, and most of all, being able to rest in peace.
While the news doesn’t surprise anyone with common sense, this will unfortunately be dragged out as the family take this to the supreme court.
At least Archie is no longer suffering, but the family are worsening their own. The father is now in hospital with a suspected heart attack.
Correction: it is going straight to the European Court of Human Rights.
Good. This is obviously heartbreaking for the parents, and it’s impossible to imagine what they’re going through, but they need to let him go. At this point, the parents are doing it for themselves, not for Archie. Let him die with dignity.
That boy should be in the ground after having a dignified funeral, yet the parents here have decided to ignore all medical evidence that their son is gone and have insisted on keeping his dead body warm and displayed in front of the nation’s media. Because of “faith” or something.
The boy’s brain isn’t just dead, it’s rotted away. I really struggle to have any sympathy at all with these parents. Perhaps their delusion stems from guilt as it’s a possibility the boy hanged himself. But they need to let go.
I know I wouldn’t be saying that if I were the parents but from the outside this is why I’m somewhat glad there’s a mechanism for this when the parents lack of objectivity is now clashing with reality
I’m not the parent so it’s easy for me to say but he is brain stem dead and has been for a very long time. No matter how much they keep him on life support, there is absolutely NO coming back from that. His heart is being mechanically forced to pump blood at this point and that’s it.
Poor lads brain is literally rotting in his head. Well beyond time to let him go.
Sympathy for the family is starting to wear very thin I feel. I myself now can’t help but feel this is a waste of time and money for both the Courts and the hospital. I don’t think this is fighting for justice for the young lad either.
Everything about this case sucks.
The misunderstanding of the kids mental health issues resulting in his attempted suicide (allegedly – the Tik Tok trend isn’t what really happened).
The parent filled with grief unable to let go.
The medical treatment not being able to do anything.
The Christian fronted legal assistance trying to take advantage of the whole situation. Trying to use a woman’s grief over her son to manipulate her into making herself look a fool, all whilst giving her false hope of something good coming out of it. They know they’re stringing her along and it’s disgusting.
All of it is understable apart from the last point, wish that was criticised for what it was.
Let’s parade a brain dead child around the media circus and let every chuckle fuck give their opinion. This shit is maddening, noone wins, we all lose.
Cases like this are uniquely horrible, and the press plays a massive part in how irresponsibly they report it. It’s is incredibly reckless of them to continually report the parent’s understandably desparate evidence before it is legal to reveal any of the enormous clinical weight behind the doctor’s conclusions – this makes it sound like, to the general public, the doctors are trying to kill a perfectly healthy boy.
In reality, his brain was so deteriorated and necrotic that it had begun to sink down his neck, with parts of his brain even having sloughed off and spread down his spinal cord – I recommend anyone with any doubts about this read the court’s decisions, featuring all the medical evidence, from June and July
The end result of this case is that people following this with no better knowledge would conclude the doctors to be merciless sociopaths. In reality, the kid never had a shot from the start, and it is dreadful for all involved this carried on in the public eye for as long as it did. All it does is feed mistrust into the profession and encourage more tragedies like this to happen.
Cases like this really make me fear the public. Twitter replies and comment sections on other articles are full of people who clearly lack knowledge and attack the medical professionals for this decision. It’s truly scary how many people whole-heartedly believe that “The doctors are wrong! Archie needs more time! His mums love will wake him up!” and it’s fucking terrifying.
Doctors can definitely make mistakes … but that’s why we have second opinions. No doubt this stretches far beyond a “second opinion” with how many doctors and consultants would be involved in this case.
I can’t say I fully understand a mothers grief, so I might be insensitive. But enough is enough.
He’s brain dead. He has been for so long now his brain is liquifying. There’s no saving him. All we are doing is wasting hospital resources and traumatising it’s staff trying to maintain a corpse.
Let the poor kid be buried with dignity and give the rest of his family a chance to actually grieve. The mother is just wasting the time of everybody now. The doctors who could be helping others who still have a chance. The judges who have more important things to do. And the rest of her family who she’s constantly dragging into the public limelight with this case. She needs to accept reality and face her grief.
I’m beginning to wonder who is more braindead, Archie or his mum.
I just find it unbelievable that his mum thinks she knows better than the doctors and nurses at the hospital. They would have done tests and scans and presented that to the judge. It seems that all of this is because she has got some crackpot god squad on her side. If she does take it to the ECHR, they will be presented with the same information and they will likely come to the same conclusion.
This is something Stephen King would write in the 80s and people would say it was silly
There really needs to be more education on end of life treatment. Everybody says that they would like to die, at home, in their sleep. Yet we still rush to, basically, brutilize a person into living longer, which is the exact opposite of what we would like. People should be educated about this before they have to make a decision like this.
The latest in a long line of hopeless cause célèbres for doomed children.
Just like Alfie Evans, just like Charlie Gard, this person is no longer “alive” in any real sense – his brain is non-existent. No appeal, no amount of prayer, no amount of screaming at the world that it isn’t fair (which it absolutely isn’t) will change that.
**No legal intervention can recover a withering body and a catastrophically damaged brain. This child’s body is no longer capable of sustaining his life. The judgment, as with all others in similar cases, reflects this reality.**
At this point, I wonder if there needs to be legislation to limit the malicious “interventions” received from third-party actors hoping to further their own agendas. Read any of the judgments in these cases ([the Alfie Evans one, in particular, is heartbreaking, but an example of how third parties give false hope](https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/alder-hey-v-evans.pdf)) – there is no question here. No credible alternative diagnosis, no “letting kids die to save money”, no cherrypicking. Just cold hard medical reality.
I empathise with the parents, as I do in any of these cases. But this has to stop – losing your child is hard enough without this insane media storm fueled by bad-faith religious nutters surrounding every case.
Hopefully now this obscene circus can end and the boy can rest in peace.
Hopefully now this obscene circus can end and the boy can rest in peace.
It’s time to let him go but I feel heart sick for the family and that’s it. Whatever they have done they are motivated by grief and I hope I never have to experience losing my child like they have.
I think Archie’s mum is deranged with grief and the fundamentalists are exploiting that
Section her and pull the plug before any more wackos threaten judges or doctors doing their jobs properly.
Just let him go – this is barbaric
Sometimes the most loving thing you can do, is let someone go.
It’s infuriating that this is carrying on, please just let the poor boy go it’s nothing but selfishness keeping him alive imo.
She needs to let the poor lad go. As hard as it is she needs to wake up and see he’s already dead. Don’t think I’ve seen her upset either which is odd 🤔
The thing is didn’t the kid cone (pressure inside cranial vault gets so high it forces the brain out through the tiny hole that connects it to the spinal cord)? Once that happens you aren’t ever coming back and without being mean, he’s just meat that’s still alive at this point. His brain is fucking gone.
Something ought to be done about cases like this, some sort of process. I dunno, maybe give the family the option to buy the machines, hire their own doctors and medical staff privately and then transfer the corpse somewhere else.
If you want to spend the next 6 months mutilating a corpse to keep it ‘alive’, do it by all means, but the hospital has no interest in squirting air into the rotting lungs of a dead person, and will not part with a single penny to cover your sick obsession. You can live with the fact that you denied your son a dignified death, the health system isn’t going to follow you down that road.