Why solve when they can just issue a crime number and let any insurance you may have sort it. :/
Somehow didn’t have room to mention in the article that the er current government of Tories cut police numbers by 15% [between 2010 and 2019](https://fullfact.org/crime/police-numbers/) (and it’s gone ip just a bit in the last two years).
Question is, if they stole my phone and used it to make a nasty tweet would they solve it quicker?
It is shitty, but I do sympathise to some extent. Most thieves are aware of the need to wear gloves, so they don’t leave fingerprints. Even if you do have CCTV at home (unlikely), the thief will nearly always be wearing a mask/hood so you can’t see their face either. Unless the thief makes a silly mistake, it leaves little to go on.
Isn’t that 9 out of 10 then
^^^^^decimals
You want them to investigate theft? You actually have to give them enough budget and manpower to focus on anything non violent. After all the slashing we’ve faced most forces are pretty open about the fact they no longer can do.
Still it impresses me that after twelve years of cuts, this paper still tries to deny the link.
The tories are weak on crime and weak on the causes of crime.
We have constant parcel thefts in our building. It’s a gang doing it and targeting all the blocks locally. We’ve caught the guys on camera and thanks to them having snatched a phone we know where the thief lives and have figured out his name.
Police have done nothing. Absolutely nothing. Won’t go arrest them. Won’t accompany us to recover our property. Just hand out crime numbers.
The funding cuts to policing have de facto legalised all petty crime in England.
Especially in london what we need is more visible policing. Beat cops patrolling their local wards. Can you even remember the last time you saw one? I can’t.
Sometimes there just isn’t enough evidence to prosecute. That’s not unusual.
I know right now for example that someone could come to my street in their car, and if I’m not in to hear them, could take my plant pots/baskets, or things out of my back garden with relative ease, and unless I got lucky (Say, I’ve just parked up my car and walked to the shop but my dashcam is still on for a few minutes). I know there’s no realistic prospect of IDing a suspect.
Even if we get CCTV of an incident we still have to work out who that is. I’ve circulated a number of images in the past of suspects and we barely ever get a positive ID. Generally it’s the well known suspects who get ID’d all the time. On other occasions I’ll see CCTV and know exactly who it is from even seeing a brief side view of their face. And when that happens I’ll provide an ID for them every single time.
Also, with the level of risk officers have to deal with now, things like violent incidents against people, domestic incidents are rightly going to take priority over thefts, criminal damage. Until there’s enough officers to deal with more incidents in a timely manner that’s not going to change.
Where I work, we usually have an average of 6-7 PC’s. All carrying about 10-15 crimes to investigate. This is in the county city as well. You might have 2-3 neighbourhoods officers on as well who don’t tend to deal with your volume crime, usually neighbour disputes and related crimes. These officers are expected to deal with all the immediate response incidents of which in a standard shift there are usually at least 3-4 plus lots of concerning non-immediate incidents. Even if you’re not interviewing a prisoner or sitting at hospital with a prisoner or member of the public, 6-7 PC’s is not enough to manage the incoming incidents and progress investigations in a timely manner. Ultimately officers are going to end up doing the bare minimum (which for a theft in my force, I would still expect to be some basic House to House and a CCTV trawl in the street) on the incidents with the least risk attached as otherwise they will end up very quickly with about 30-40 crimes to manage and that is not sustainable and you’ll find cops going off with stress.
If there were more officers you’d be able to spread the workload, you’d get more done with the crimes as you’d have more time, and you’d have time to be proactive which also helps reduce crime. In my experience, where I currently work needs 10 cops at minimum and ideally 14-16 to be effectively run in a way that serves the public. That’s not happening anytime soon.
I’m a police officer. This is due to the amount of time we spent looking after mental health patients, looking for ‘missing’ people, and doing unnecessary paperwork for the crimes we do solve. The priorities are shifted as well due to the fact that the court system is very reluctant to imprison people for theft, and prison sentences are woefully low for repeat offenders – why invest significant time in solving the case if the result will be nothing?
If anyone has any questions, I’m happy to answer
What’s the point. There’s no evidence most of the time, unfortunately people call after the crime has occurred when the offenders have already left the scene so there are no leads, and even when there are and there is a suspect the CPS don’t give a shit. Then if the CPS are happy to proceed the justice system takes absolutely no action.
Most sentences nowadays are just an insult to victims of crime
They told us to go to the local flea market and see if we saw our stuff there!
They came another time and dusted for prints and said it was basically useless
Clearly in cahoots with the Cats..
Too busy driving about harassing people
To busy arresting people for posting memes on Twitter
What if there are no thefts in many, many neighbourhoods. But they solve all thefts in the 2 neighbourhoods that thefts occured. This statement would still be true. Absolute bollocks.
Most crime occurs on Twitter when people say mean things to upset others. Theft isn’t a real crime.
Sounds about right
It’s the telegraph.. I would take this with a pinch of salt.
Doesn’t solve a single theft but if you send one slightly inflammatory tweet and it’s off to the gulag with you!
They have army vets on twitter to arrrest for memes!
Well looks like robbing the rich is back on the menu when our heating bills sky rocket in winter then, good to know.
Never been a better time to invest in a ski mask and big sack with a £ on it
> Of the 32,075 neighbourhoods analysed, 14,855 (46.3 per cent) had at least one burglary in the past three years of which none were solved.
That doesn’t look like “8 out of 10” to me, it also doesn’t look like no thefts were solved…
In fact it only explicitly states that one neighbourhood had 100% unsolved.
Thanks to our gov’t obsession with defunding (and still running a budget deficit) police in Sandford are more useful than those that make our police. Half the time I feel England runs on an honour system
Probably because they are obsessed with trying to catch people speeding. The amount of times I’ve seen police just sat by the road with a speed gun is ridiculous. The police should not be doing this, we have speed cameras and speed vans operated by civilians. Fuck off with your speed obsession and solve some crime.
Because they’re issuing fines for not being nice to cyclists.
Things you shouldn’t tell potential thieves
My car got stolen, it took 2 months for an officer to be assigned to the case. Just for them to say it might be best for the insurance to pay out…
Being self-employed, had to still pay bills, make insurance payments while the police just sat back..
They took my debit and credit cards and tried using them in shops with CCTV. They done nothing about it..
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Why solve when they can just issue a crime number and let any insurance you may have sort it. :/
Somehow didn’t have room to mention in the article that the er current government of Tories cut police numbers by 15% [between 2010 and 2019](https://fullfact.org/crime/police-numbers/) (and it’s gone ip just a bit in the last two years).
Question is, if they stole my phone and used it to make a nasty tweet would they solve it quicker?
It is shitty, but I do sympathise to some extent. Most thieves are aware of the need to wear gloves, so they don’t leave fingerprints. Even if you do have CCTV at home (unlikely), the thief will nearly always be wearing a mask/hood so you can’t see their face either. Unless the thief makes a silly mistake, it leaves little to go on.
Isn’t that 9 out of 10 then
^^^^^decimals
You want them to investigate theft? You actually have to give them enough budget and manpower to focus on anything non violent. After all the slashing we’ve faced most forces are pretty open about the fact they no longer can do.
Still it impresses me that after twelve years of cuts, this paper still tries to deny the link.
The tories are weak on crime and weak on the causes of crime.
We have constant parcel thefts in our building. It’s a gang doing it and targeting all the blocks locally. We’ve caught the guys on camera and thanks to them having snatched a phone we know where the thief lives and have figured out his name.
Police have done nothing. Absolutely nothing. Won’t go arrest them. Won’t accompany us to recover our property. Just hand out crime numbers.
The funding cuts to policing have de facto legalised all petty crime in England.
Especially in london what we need is more visible policing. Beat cops patrolling their local wards. Can you even remember the last time you saw one? I can’t.
Sometimes there just isn’t enough evidence to prosecute. That’s not unusual.
I know right now for example that someone could come to my street in their car, and if I’m not in to hear them, could take my plant pots/baskets, or things out of my back garden with relative ease, and unless I got lucky (Say, I’ve just parked up my car and walked to the shop but my dashcam is still on for a few minutes). I know there’s no realistic prospect of IDing a suspect.
Even if we get CCTV of an incident we still have to work out who that is. I’ve circulated a number of images in the past of suspects and we barely ever get a positive ID. Generally it’s the well known suspects who get ID’d all the time. On other occasions I’ll see CCTV and know exactly who it is from even seeing a brief side view of their face. And when that happens I’ll provide an ID for them every single time.
Also, with the level of risk officers have to deal with now, things like violent incidents against people, domestic incidents are rightly going to take priority over thefts, criminal damage. Until there’s enough officers to deal with more incidents in a timely manner that’s not going to change.
Where I work, we usually have an average of 6-7 PC’s. All carrying about 10-15 crimes to investigate. This is in the county city as well. You might have 2-3 neighbourhoods officers on as well who don’t tend to deal with your volume crime, usually neighbour disputes and related crimes. These officers are expected to deal with all the immediate response incidents of which in a standard shift there are usually at least 3-4 plus lots of concerning non-immediate incidents. Even if you’re not interviewing a prisoner or sitting at hospital with a prisoner or member of the public, 6-7 PC’s is not enough to manage the incoming incidents and progress investigations in a timely manner. Ultimately officers are going to end up doing the bare minimum (which for a theft in my force, I would still expect to be some basic House to House and a CCTV trawl in the street) on the incidents with the least risk attached as otherwise they will end up very quickly with about 30-40 crimes to manage and that is not sustainable and you’ll find cops going off with stress.
If there were more officers you’d be able to spread the workload, you’d get more done with the crimes as you’d have more time, and you’d have time to be proactive which also helps reduce crime. In my experience, where I currently work needs 10 cops at minimum and ideally 14-16 to be effectively run in a way that serves the public. That’s not happening anytime soon.
I’m a police officer. This is due to the amount of time we spent looking after mental health patients, looking for ‘missing’ people, and doing unnecessary paperwork for the crimes we do solve. The priorities are shifted as well due to the fact that the court system is very reluctant to imprison people for theft, and prison sentences are woefully low for repeat offenders – why invest significant time in solving the case if the result will be nothing?
If anyone has any questions, I’m happy to answer
What’s the point. There’s no evidence most of the time, unfortunately people call after the crime has occurred when the offenders have already left the scene so there are no leads, and even when there are and there is a suspect the CPS don’t give a shit. Then if the CPS are happy to proceed the justice system takes absolutely no action.
Most sentences nowadays are just an insult to victims of crime
They told us to go to the local flea market and see if we saw our stuff there!
They came another time and dusted for prints and said it was basically useless
Clearly in cahoots with the Cats..
Too busy driving about harassing people
To busy arresting people for posting memes on Twitter
What if there are no thefts in many, many neighbourhoods. But they solve all thefts in the 2 neighbourhoods that thefts occured. This statement would still be true. Absolute bollocks.
Most crime occurs on Twitter when people say mean things to upset others. Theft isn’t a real crime.
Sounds about right
It’s the telegraph.. I would take this with a pinch of salt.
Doesn’t solve a single theft but if you send one slightly inflammatory tweet and it’s off to the gulag with you!
They have army vets on twitter to arrrest for memes!
Well looks like robbing the rich is back on the menu when our heating bills sky rocket in winter then, good to know.
Never been a better time to invest in a ski mask and big sack with a £ on it
> Of the 32,075 neighbourhoods analysed, 14,855 (46.3 per cent) had at least one burglary in the past three years of which none were solved.
That doesn’t look like “8 out of 10” to me, it also doesn’t look like no thefts were solved…
In fact it only explicitly states that one neighbourhood had 100% unsolved.
Thanks to our gov’t obsession with defunding (and still running a budget deficit) police in Sandford are more useful than those that make our police. Half the time I feel England runs on an honour system
Probably because they are obsessed with trying to catch people speeding. The amount of times I’ve seen police just sat by the road with a speed gun is ridiculous. The police should not be doing this, we have speed cameras and speed vans operated by civilians. Fuck off with your speed obsession and solve some crime.
Because they’re issuing fines for not being nice to cyclists.
Things you shouldn’t tell potential thieves
My car got stolen, it took 2 months for an officer to be assigned to the case. Just for them to say it might be best for the insurance to pay out…
Being self-employed, had to still pay bills, make insurance payments while the police just sat back..
They took my debit and credit cards and tried using them in shops with CCTV. They done nothing about it..